There are a handful of school in the UK that have just been given the go ahead to open next year and to teach creationism rather than evoultion. (biology classes are going to be awkward right?)
Thats fine and all, I mean I don't have a problem with people having faith. That's fine and dandy. But shouldn't kids, with young malleable minds be given the coice of what to believe? Why cut out evolution in favour for creationism. Why not offer to teach both?
The schools founder's chose to cut evolution in favor of creationism. Should a board of creation beleives have the right to decide what they teach kids? Let the kids decide!
I don't mind teaching the consideration that an amorphic intelligence is possibly behind all of creation which could be defined as God. Creationism however is specifically an ultra conservative Christian attempt to inject specifically Christianity into the classroom. Really just bizarre stuff, and I know some really nice people who are friends who completely believe the earth is 6000 years old
They will tell you carbon dating is inaccurate (although they can't say exactly how it is) and believe all of the recent discoveries of early homosapiens dating 160,000 and now even 400,000 years ago are hoaxes or flat out wrong. They believe dinosaurs and man peacefully coexisted in the garden of Eden before Eve egged Adam into getting some forbidden knowledge. If you question them what carnivores did with there claws and teeth during that period the conversation become more ridiculous, like oh they picked fruit and ate grass.
Again I like these people, but I really do have to concentrate just to keep a straight face when they begin to talk about the origins of the universe.
I don't mind teaching the consideration that an amorphic intelligence is possibly behind all of creation which could be defined as God. Creationism however is specifically an ultra conservative Christian attempt to inject specifically Christianity into the classroom. Really just bizarre stuff, and I know some really nice people who are friends who completely believe the earth is 6000 years old
They will tell you carbon dating is inaccurate (although they can't say exactly how it is) and believe all of the recent discoveries of early homosapiens dating 160,000 and now even 400,000 years ago are hoaxes or flat out wrong. They believe dinosaurs and man peacefully coexisted in the garden of Eden before Eve egged Adam into getting some forbidden knowledge. If you question them what carnivores did with there claws and teeth during that period the conversation become more ridiculous, like oh they picked fruit and ate grass.
Again I like these people, but I really do have to concentrate just to keep a straight face when they begin to talk about the origins of the universe.
/agree to all, I wish I wasn't gimped putting thought into this topic would be nice.
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see that's the main problem with democracy, you get a lot of people think stupid things like creationism and then that gets into the schools and begore you know it they ruined a whole generation... all for a few more votes.
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My main concern with this move in schools, is that it shuts out a train of thought for young kids. They should be encouraged to challenge, and explore. Teach creationism that’s fine, but teach it along side evolution at LEAST. Allow them to discuss and argue cases for each. Don’t just pigeon hole them into a one-track mind way of thinking.
Oh you're saying that it will be taught without reverence for evolution?! I smell a civil rights case coming out of that as no doubt some parents will perceive their civil rights will have been violated; as they very well should.
see that's the main problem with democracy, you get a lot of people think stupid things like creationism and then that gets into the schools and begore you know it they ruined a whole generation... all for a few more votes.
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At least some people really are going backwards, I'm still occasionally shocked at the level of ignorance some people display and seem to revel in.
Just watching the ignorance hurts. I could just imagine how a creation class would proceed.
Timmy: Let's see, to properly carbon date this fossilized specimen I left off at the Libby half‐life for radioactive decay of carbon‐14...
Creationist teacher: [Interrupting Timmy] "No Timmy, the correct answer can be found in Genesis 1:20 “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
Timmy: ...uhm, won't I need to do a logarithmic calculation of the radiocarbons years before; subtracting the Libby half‐life for radioactive decay of carbon‐14 against the remaining over initial radiocarbon atoms?
Creationist teacher: Timmy by now you should know there is no Carbon 14 chapter in your old testament...
Timmy: I'm sorry teacher, I'm attempting to determine how many millions of years old this fossil is using a logarithmic calculation.
Creationist teacher: That's Satan's math, the earth is only 6000 years old.
Timmy: Soooooo you are saying carbon dating is inaccurate because it is only accurate to within 40,000 years which couldn't be possible because you believe the earth has not even been around that long?
Creationist teacher: That's one reason Timmy, all the knowledge you need can be found in your bible.
Timmy: But teacher there are numerous Neolithic writings found in China dating back between 6000 BC and 8000 BC, how can you possibly believe...
Creationist teacher: [tersely interjecting] Now that's enough of that Timmy, open your bible to Proverbs, do you have a passage from Proverbs you would like to read aloud to the class?
Timmy: Yes, Proverbs 17:28 "Even a fool, when he holds his tongue, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."
I have nothing but respect for people's beliefs, I'm not even sure what I believe exactly myself, but I don't remember any mentions of dinosaurs in the bible.
Could you imagine them trying to take Jesus to crucifixion when he's riding his triceratops around?
Passion of the Christ would have been wayyy better with raptors and t-rexes.
First off, I'm a Christian, but with a very open mind. Perhaps so open that one may think I don't believe in God or a god which will make me either an Atheist or an Agnostic. I'll sway more in the directions of an Agnostic if I have to choose. I for one believe in Evolution; I may not have any knowledge in this field but my logic dictates that Evolution is the only way man came to be where it is today. I'm a science man. Facts trumps beliefs (for me that is). If there's good evidence that evolution exists or that the earth is >6000 years old I'll believe it regardless of what the Bible says.
I didn't have Biology in school so I have no clue whether they were taught about Evolution or Creationism (I'll actually have to ask some of my friends some time). Also, here in South Africa we're not big on the Evolution/Creationism arguing.
Anyway I don't know how or what they teach in American schools, but I'll have to think it's kind of a big thing USA (I've numerously seen news about the Evolution/Creationism in schools dilemma; that which I can remember). You'll never be able to satisfy both parties when it comes to an topic like this. There will ALWAYS be a problem/angry mob of old Christian pensioners. How are this handled in American schools? (Not rethorical).
But as the others said, I don't mind what people believe in or not believe in.
@Rethical - Only a few? Here it's either all or none when it comes to changes in our schools, since our grade 12 learners have a national examination at the end of the year. Maybe it's because it's almost the supposed end of the world and the English government want to mend their ways before the big apocalypse so they can get as many of them into Heaven...and they are starting in schools with Creationism! :Thumbs Up: Meh I don't know what else to say.
I don't mind teaching the consideration that an amorphic intelligence is possibly behind all of creation which could be defined as God. Creationism however is specifically an ultra conservative Christian attempt to inject specifically Christianity into the classroom. Really just bizarre stuff, and I know some really nice people who are friends who completely believe the earth is 6000 years old
They will tell you carbon dating is inaccurate (although they can't say exactly how it is) and believe all of the recent discoveries of early homosapiens dating 160,000 and now even 400,000 years ago are hoaxes or flat out wrong. They believe dinosaurs and man peacefully coexisted in the garden of Eden before Eve egged Adam into getting some forbidden knowledge. If you question them what carnivores did with there claws and teeth during that period the conversation become more ridiculous, like oh they picked fruit and ate grass.
Again I like these people, but I really do have to concentrate just to keep a straight face when they begin to talk about the origins of the universe.
You should read this article. This discovery could mean that everything we thought we knew about the birth of planets is wrong. It's quite interesting! No evidence though, so still takes hundreds of thousands or millions of years for planets to form.
That's one thing about narrow minded religious people (mostly Christians). They will stick with their beliefs or what the Bible says even when they are presented with contradicting facts. This can be good though, because they are faithful in whatever their believes are. But it can also be bad, not being prone to accept new ideas in general (not just religious).
I have nothing but respect for people's beliefs, I'm not even sure what I believe exactly myself, but I don't remember any mentions of dinosaurs in the bible.
Could you imagine them trying to take Jesus to crucifixion when he's riding his triceratops around?
Passion of the Christ would have been wayyy better with raptors and t-rexes.
LOL! Yeah I'm at that moment in life where I don't know what to believe anymore. And I blame the internet. With free speech anyone can write a convincing argument for the existence of God/a god or against it and people will believe the most recent one (not really, but through personal experience my mind has swayed to both ends of that argument.)
Not to mention how hard it will be to clean yourself in the shower, just saying.
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I don't mind teaching the consideration that an amorphic intelligence is possibly behind all of creation which could be defined as God. Creationism however is specifically an ultra conservative Christian attempt to inject specifically Christianity into the classroom. Really just bizarre stuff, and I know some really nice people who are friends who completely believe the earth is 6000 years old
They will tell you carbon dating is inaccurate (although they can't say exactly how it is) and believe all of the recent discoveries of early homosapiens dating 160,000 and now even 400,000 years ago are hoaxes or flat out wrong. They believe dinosaurs and man peacefully coexisted in the garden of Eden before Eve egged Adam into getting some forbidden knowledge. If you question them what carnivores did with there claws and teeth during that period the conversation become more ridiculous, like oh they picked fruit and ate grass.
Again I like these people, but I really do have to concentrate just to keep a straight face when they begin to talk about the origins of the universe.
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/agree to all, I wish I wasn't gimped putting thought into this topic would be nice.
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Wise ElderWell.. I was going to link their FAQ but it's not very helpful: http://www.technicpack.net/faq/
It's a mod pack for multiplayer minecraft that adds a bunch of things to the game like nuclear power, solar panels, windmills, quarries, mining lasers, equivalent exchange items, combustion engines, crazy technological stuff and a little magic.
You can make a factory to produce cake if you wanted. Fully automated. Or make a cactus farm, or a machine to change the weather and make it snow all the time, oil refineries, All sorts of whacky stuff.
some times I think we're going backwards
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Thats just one random set of pictures but there are tons from the Creation Museums. Jesus riding dinosaurs makes me giggle.
As for tekkit, I tried it. Like, five times. I could never get that shit to work...
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Wise ElderIt's pretty confusing starting out but its pretty easy to pick up. There are some good wikis out there for it.
One hand typing is a real test after a while.
At least some people really are going backwards, I'm still occasionally shocked at the level of ignorance some people display and seem to revel in.
Just watching the ignorance hurts. I could just imagine how a creation class would proceed.
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Wise ElderI have nothing but respect for people's beliefs, I'm not even sure what I believe exactly myself, but I don't remember any mentions of dinosaurs in the bible.
Could you imagine them trying to take Jesus to crucifixion when he's riding his triceratops around?
Passion of the Christ would have been wayyy better with raptors and t-rexes.
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Wise ElderAlso, I can't even get Tekkit to load. It hates me.
Also, raptors and jesus?
I didn't have Biology in school so I have no clue whether they were taught about Evolution or Creationism (I'll actually have to ask some of my friends some time). Also, here in South Africa we're not big on the Evolution/Creationism arguing.
Anyway I don't know how or what they teach in American schools, but I'll have to think it's kind of a big thing USA (I've numerously seen news about the Evolution/Creationism in schools dilemma; that which I can remember). You'll never be able to satisfy both parties when it comes to an topic like this. There will ALWAYS be a problem/angry mob of old Christian pensioners. How are this handled in American schools? (Not rethorical).
But as the others said, I don't mind what people believe in or not believe in.
@Rethical - Only a few? Here it's either all or none when it comes to changes in our schools, since our grade 12 learners have a national examination at the end of the year. Maybe it's because it's almost the supposed end of the world and the English government want to mend their ways before the big apocalypse so they can get as many of them into Heaven...and they are starting in schools with Creationism! :Thumbs Up: Meh I don't know what else to say.
You should read this article. This discovery could mean that everything we thought we knew about the birth of planets is wrong. It's quite interesting! No evidence though, so still takes hundreds of thousands or millions of years for planets to form.
That's one thing about narrow minded religious people (mostly Christians). They will stick with their beliefs or what the Bible says even when they are presented with contradicting facts. This can be good though, because they are faithful in whatever their believes are. But it can also be bad, not being prone to accept new ideas in general (not just religious).
LOL! Yeah I'm at that moment in life where I don't know what to believe anymore. And I blame the internet. With free speech anyone can write a convincing argument for the existence of God/a god or against it and people will believe the most recent one (not really, but through personal experience my mind has swayed to both ends of that argument.)
Geez how old is that kid?! Is he really scared or just acting scared. Kids that age shouldn't be scared of aliens.