For the most part, I agree with you diablo_Owns. Once Diablo 3 comes out, WoW will probably be history within a year or 2 of Diablo 3's release. All we can do now is wait and watch that happen.
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No dude sorry Diablo owns WoW, WoW blows ass
its the thing i've heared most in these forums. But none managed to put in any good points. As of how massive WoW is, how complex and how much story driven it is (since all quests continue the storyline and keep telling side stories too) and how many things it gives u to do. I could make Diablo look pretty crappy but i dont think theres a point in it. You (the one that started this topic) prolly like simple games that allow u to kill masses without effort and require only 1 mouseclick for it.
the battle systems, its all a copy of lineage 2
the battle system is MMO classic. Been like this since before Everquest (i dont really know how Ultima Online was). WoW just made the UI (User Interface for those who dont know it) way better. Also gave the freedom to modders to make it even better to suit any gamer that wishes to change it. Lineage 2 is completely crap in comparison and only thing it has to show is graphics. (We can compare WoW with Lineage 2 if u want, but not with Diablo since they're not the same kind of game).
shitty graohics and scenery that is too cartoonish...
so, first u say u liked all other Warcraft games and now that u dont like that WoW is cartoonish... didnt it bother u that all 3 RTS Warcraft games were cartoonish?
they didnt work hard to make a chazrcter thats for sure...
really? they worked to make each item look different on each character. they worked on both male/female versions plus different characteristics, some of which show even in fully covered armor pieces. They also have 8 races (makes 16 base character models) and will add 2 more with the coming expansion.
and about:
I think we can all agree D3 will own Warcraft.
no way. at least not if D3 will be like D2 used to be. We'll love it, its gonna be great, but they wont be possible to compare either. If it comes out as a MMO it will most likely not be called "Diablo 3".
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if you want to play it clever go and read the "WoW SUCKS!!" threads on the Warcraft forums. Read all posts from page 1 to last. If you have any POINT to add, then go on. If not just dont make yourself look stupid (as ur doing now).
got some new, better items over the last 2 weeks, so i changed the sig to make her look the way people see her in game (i just hid the new hat since its uber ugly :P)
*edit* woot, just noticed i reached 500 posts, gz me!
Yup. Listen to the one above me. All points have been presented already in other threads.
But man, it was long since I played WoW. I don't recognize those shoulder-pads, but they must obviously be good since you switched Netherwind for them. Are they from Naxxramas?
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yeah, i used to have a book on my offhand. Now i use a Master Dragonslayer Orb (sounds catchy, eh?). Also the new shoulderpads and boots (plus the hidden hat). I was on fire with loots over the last weeks
I must say, when I seen WoW cost 15 a month to play I made a promise I wouldn't buy it, keep in mind this was when it came out and before i had a job, so far ive kept this promise but ive noticed the price droped to $20 at Walmart. I think I might buy WoW...
On a side note, the price dropping has also made me excited. Yes I know the BC is comming out but I think that will blow over in 6 months. By summer 2007 the BC will have droped to $20. The perfect time to announce D3
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If you ever meet a hafling and a hungry dragon you dont have to outrun the dragon, you only have to outrun the hafling.
No, I do not like EASY games. I am very picky with my gaming. So, let me start from the beginning...
The reason I liked all the other Warcrafts, and wasnt bothered by their graphics, is because I was younger when I played them, they ARENT MMO's they were normal. An MMO should not be cartoonish and should be detailed.
NO, they didnt work hard on the WoWt characters- they worked on on the CHOICES. You can make your character look many different ways, sure, but what is the point if the graphics suck ass, the armor looks stupid, and the characters look like cartoons? If I wanted that I'd go play Runescape...it's free!
You can sit and down what I have to say, but you're wrong.. And, All Blizzard games are easy. WoW is easy. Go beat Ninja Gaiden on Hard and tell me I play easy games, then I'll agree with you. Go beat Phantom Dust. Then you can have some room to talk. You are not gonna sit here and downgrade me just because you've fallen victim to a stupid game with no point, and no difficulty. Im not trying to insult you, but goddamn.
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Yes, buy WoW before it is too late. Join all the other addicts now.
I've lost count of all players I've read of on the forums that unistall the game and broke their disks, only to run out the next day to buy a new copy because they had to play. And all those guys who aim for grand marshal/high warlord... insane. Those are the highest PvP ranks, and the guy on my server had his account logged in constantly for the last three weeks before he reached there, switching his playing time with some friends. Just insane.
So WoW is easy? I'd like to hear you say that when your newly formed guild tries Molten Core for the first time, try to take down Razorgore or enter Ahn'Qiraj. Do that, and then tell me the game is easy.
And WoW was made cartoonish for a specific purpose. All the games have been like that thus far, and to make a realistic orc would just have ruined the entire race, as would gnomes, trolls and numerous other races.
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I dont get addicted, I havent played d2 constantly for 5 years now, no I havent played for well over 24 hours on multiple occasions, addictions what are you talking about.
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If you ever meet a hafling and a hungry dragon you dont have to outrun the dragon, you only have to outrun the hafling.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
Supporting big shoulderpads and flashy armor since 2004.
Dude, WoW is easy. If you think It's hard I'll laugh, because all you have to do is click a button and have a small, small stradegy for a quest. Leveling is simple, everything is. Its not much different from any other RPG, theyre all easy as fuck, but fun and addicting...except WoW's childish graphics and immature deisgn ruin it for me. So, go ahead, let's keep going, "prove me wrong" again!
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An MMO should not be cartoonish and should be detailed.
says a certain rule of yours? It wouldnt stay close to the series and people would have the right to whine about it. You dont play a fantasy game for realism.
You can make your character look many different ways, sure, but what is the point if the graphics suck ass, the armor looks stupid, and the characters look like cartoons?
the graphics suck ass in what way?
the armor, especially the end-game sets are awesome. The characters look cartoonish, just as the rest of the game/series.
WoW is easy.
have u ever played it? I mean, alright, its not too hard to reach the level cap, but do you have any idea how hard it is to beat the end-game bosses? How much practice and cooperation between the raid members it requires? No, cause you havent played it. The hard thing about WoW is to learn how to play as a team and keep focussed on the hardest encounters. Its nothing you can solo in no-time.
If you think It's hard I'll laugh
laugh but u still havent tried the things we tell you to.
because all you have to do is click a button and have a small, small stradegy for a quest.
in case you havent noticed we're talking about encounters that require 40 well organized people, not just a retard to hit 1 button during the whole fight.
Leveling is simple
it is, and its easier than in most other games. It also allows u to see more of the most challenging things in the game after that. In fact WoW really begins after u hit the lvl cap.
WoW's childish graphics and immature deisgn ruin it for me.
you say things without making points, again. Try and tell us why the design is immature. The thing with WoW is that its masterfully done. The quests are interesting (at least the stories they tell), there's alot action, u have to interact alot with the other players and join forces to see the good things of the game and feel rewarded for your effort. The game requires effort to play but it rewards you for it. Show me one guy that after a first boss kill with his guild didnt feel awesome.
and dude... u dont prove anything. As i said before its a matter of taste to like or not a game. But prove that this great game sucks, you cannot.
Have too played it. It's not hard at all. It isn't. It's a minimal amount of work...and as far as cartoons, you can make a game look real and detailed without making it so much that people will complain- Blizzard did not even try. Like, the shading, the color's... I bet they couldve made it convincingly real, but still not made it look human at least. It look like somone drew a picture and colored it, and put it in a 3d format...YIPPEE!!! How fun. Okay, How old are we? If you're a serious gamer you don't waste money and hours of time playing a game that is so childhish. And, yes, it is pretty much an unwritten law...look at any other GOOD MMO. They all look somewhat realistic, not like little cartoons running around questing....so- keep going?
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read the stuff i added first and then the stuff i'll say in this reply:
it is pretty much an unwritten law...look at any other GOOD MMO.
WoW is proven by numbers that its the BEST MMO. Technically statistics proved you wrong.
you can make a game look real and detailed without making it so much that people will complain
Blizzards officials said they had a graphics engine that made the world look really darker and more mature. But decided it wouldnt suit the Warcraft universe so they kept it back (to use for another game maybe). Blizzard always does what they think best for their games. What a few people say isnt important. Statistics proved Blizzard right (again).
They all look somewhat realistic, not like little cartoons running around questing
Blizzard never followed guidelines. If they did they would never have made Diablo either. They decide what fits best to the game and make it happen. I dont see many people complain about the graphics. And even some that do they keep playing the game. 6 million active subscribers are a pretty convincing amount of customers, dont you think? Most of the games you mentioned earlier i havent even heared of. WoW is popular for a reason.
so- keep going?
you're not a real challenge. No points at all. No logic in ur arguement. So yeah, lets keep going to see if u make urself look even more stupid.
Dude, haha, I have logic, in fact, if I had ni logic, I wouldn't even bother arguing back. 6 million people play World of Warcraft because 6 million people play. Not too many people wanna sit around and waste time playing an MMO with no people playing- its takes the point of it being an MMO away. Why do you think people play Runescape? Because people they know, or alot of people in general play. I bet more than half the layers have that reason- the other may enjoy the game. I dont know. And, thanks for the insult. I didnt insult you at all, and, Im certainly not stupid otherwise I wouldnt be able to come up with reasoning at all for hating the game, like I have stated. If I was stupid, I wouldn't play difficult games, and I surely wouldnt have a genius level IQ. So, before you insult me again, process the thought, buddy. Thanks.
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It is not mindless clicking, it is not sleeping over the keyboard clicking the mouse. It is spending several hours in a dungeon actively working with 40 other people to take down extremely challenging bosses. If you have done that, and still consider the game easy, then fine. If you haven't, then your argument falls.
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its the thing i've heared most in these forums. But none managed to put in any good points. As of how massive WoW is, how complex and how much story driven it is (since all quests continue the storyline and keep telling side stories too) and how many things it gives u to do. I could make Diablo look pretty crappy but i dont think theres a point in it. You (the one that started this topic) prolly like simple games that allow u to kill masses without effort and require only 1 mouseclick for it.
the battle system is MMO classic. Been like this since before Everquest (i dont really know how Ultima Online was). WoW just made the UI (User Interface for those who dont know it) way better. Also gave the freedom to modders to make it even better to suit any gamer that wishes to change it. Lineage 2 is completely crap in comparison and only thing it has to show is graphics. (We can compare WoW with Lineage 2 if u want, but not with Diablo since they're not the same kind of game).
so, first u say u liked all other Warcraft games and now that u dont like that WoW is cartoonish... didnt it bother u that all 3 RTS Warcraft games were cartoonish?
really? they worked to make each item look different on each character. they worked on both male/female versions plus different characteristics, some of which show even in fully covered armor pieces. They also have 8 races (makes 16 base character models) and will add 2 more with the coming expansion.
and about:
no way. at least not if D3 will be like D2 used to be. We'll love it, its gonna be great, but they wont be possible to compare either. If it comes out as a MMO it will most likely not be called "Diablo 3".
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if you want to play it clever go and read the "WoW SUCKS!!" threads on the Warcraft forums. Read all posts from page 1 to last. If you have any POINT to add, then go on. If not just dont make yourself look stupid (as ur doing now).
*edit* woot, just noticed i reached 500 posts, gz me!
But man, it was long since I played WoW. I don't recognize those shoulder-pads, but they must obviously be good since you switched Netherwind for them. Are they from Naxxramas?
On a side note, the price dropping has also made me excited. Yes I know the BC is comming out but I think that will blow over in 6 months. By summer 2007 the BC will have droped to $20. The perfect time to announce D3
No, I do not like EASY games. I am very picky with my gaming. So, let me start from the beginning...
The reason I liked all the other Warcrafts, and wasnt bothered by their graphics, is because I was younger when I played them, they ARENT MMO's they were normal. An MMO should not be cartoonish and should be detailed.
NO, they didnt work hard on the WoWt characters- they worked on on the CHOICES. You can make your character look many different ways, sure, but what is the point if the graphics suck ass, the armor looks stupid, and the characters look like cartoons? If I wanted that I'd go play Runescape...it's free!
You can sit and down what I have to say, but you're wrong..
And, All Blizzard games are easy. WoW is easy. Go beat Ninja Gaiden on Hard and tell me I play easy games, then I'll agree with you. Go beat Phantom Dust. Then you can have some room to talk. You are not gonna sit here and downgrade me just because you've fallen victim to a stupid game with no point, and no difficulty. Im not trying to insult you, but goddamn.
Parallel truth, awaken in translucence
Sealed by this deadened song
Sinking in toneless comatose
Come and tear my skin, fear what's within
Its massive darkness filling my world
Submerged rage writing unspoken words
I've lost count of all players I've read of on the forums that unistall the game and broke their disks, only to run out the next day to buy a new copy because they had to play. And all those guys who aim for grand marshal/high warlord... insane. Those are the highest PvP ranks, and the guy on my server had his account logged in constantly for the last three weeks before he reached there, switching his playing time with some friends. Just insane.
So WoW is easy? I'd like to hear you say that when your newly formed guild tries Molten Core for the first time, try to take down Razorgore or enter Ahn'Qiraj. Do that, and then tell me the game is easy.
And WoW was made cartoonish for a specific purpose. All the games have been like that thus far, and to make a realistic orc would just have ruined the entire race, as would gnomes, trolls and numerous other races.
Parallel truth, awaken in translucence
Sealed by this deadened song
Sinking in toneless comatose
Come and tear my skin, fear what's within
Its massive darkness filling my world
Submerged rage writing unspoken words
says a certain rule of yours? It wouldnt stay close to the series and people would have the right to whine about it. You dont play a fantasy game for realism.
the graphics suck ass in what way?
the armor, especially the end-game sets are awesome. The characters look cartoonish, just as the rest of the game/series.
have u ever played it? I mean, alright, its not too hard to reach the level cap, but do you have any idea how hard it is to beat the end-game bosses? How much practice and cooperation between the raid members it requires? No, cause you havent played it. The hard thing about WoW is to learn how to play as a team and keep focussed on the hardest encounters. Its nothing you can solo in no-time.
laugh but u still havent tried the things we tell you to.
in case you havent noticed we're talking about encounters that require 40 well organized people, not just a retard to hit 1 button during the whole fight.
it is, and its easier than in most other games. It also allows u to see more of the most challenging things in the game after that. In fact WoW really begins after u hit the lvl cap.
you say things without making points, again. Try and tell us why the design is immature. The thing with WoW is that its masterfully done. The quests are interesting (at least the stories they tell), there's alot action, u have to interact alot with the other players and join forces to see the good things of the game and feel rewarded for your effort. The game requires effort to play but it rewards you for it. Show me one guy that after a first boss kill with his guild didnt feel awesome.
and dude... u dont prove anything. As i said before its a matter of taste to like or not a game. But prove that this great game sucks, you cannot.
Parallel truth, awaken in translucence
Sealed by this deadened song
Sinking in toneless comatose
Come and tear my skin, fear what's within
Its massive darkness filling my world
Submerged rage writing unspoken words
WoW is proven by numbers that its the BEST MMO. Technically statistics proved you wrong.
Blizzards officials said they had a graphics engine that made the world look really darker and more mature. But decided it wouldnt suit the Warcraft universe so they kept it back (to use for another game maybe). Blizzard always does what they think best for their games. What a few people say isnt important. Statistics proved Blizzard right (again).
Blizzard never followed guidelines. If they did they would never have made Diablo either. They decide what fits best to the game and make it happen. I dont see many people complain about the graphics. And even some that do they keep playing the game. 6 million active subscribers are a pretty convincing amount of customers, dont you think? Most of the games you mentioned earlier i havent even heared of. WoW is popular for a reason.
you're not a real challenge. No points at all. No logic in ur arguement. So yeah, lets keep going to see if u make urself look even more stupid.
Parallel truth, awaken in translucence
Sealed by this deadened song
Sinking in toneless comatose
Come and tear my skin, fear what's within
Its massive darkness filling my world
Submerged rage writing unspoken words
We are really just asking you one question:
Have you played in an end-game raid?
It is not mindless clicking, it is not sleeping over the keyboard clicking the mouse. It is spending several hours in a dungeon actively working with 40 other people to take down extremely challenging bosses. If you have done that, and still consider the game easy, then fine. If you haven't, then your argument falls.