To every problem there is a solution, game addiction isn't one of those answers. You will feel more miserable in the long run if you try to evade your worries with video games. You tell me to speak for myself...alright I will. I was in almost the same situation as you my friend. I used to change from school to school each 2 years and lost all my friends each time. The worst thing is that the first time I went from a french school to an english school...not an immersion school (french+english), an english school. I didn't know how to speak english in an english school...can you imagine? I couldn't have fun with people there cause I couldn't communicate! No friends for a year and a half. Plus, I wasn't the most social guy either. This makes for a very crappy life. The thing is : I didn't give up and invested most of my frustration into learning english. Reading books, listening to english TV. It's hard but got me to where I am right now. I tend to mix french and english words now and then but I can communicate very well. That experience helped me to open to other people and it really improved me as a person. I can understand of other's misery, I can understand how crappy life is. What I can't understand, on the other hand, is how people can let themselves down so easily. Dwelling on problems is the worst thing you can actually do!
game addiction isn't one of those answers. You will feel more miserable in the long run if you try to evade your worries with video games.
I find that debatable. Realities cross over each other with video games. The video game is another reality. What is life? Some reality. A pretty crappy one, too. Maybe playing video games and being happy for a short while and then dying is a good way to get the crappy reality out of the way. We really have no idea what is outside our little reality here. To each his own. If one chooses to give up his life to a different reality, I say his choice. I didn't try it.
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You tell me to speak for myself...alright I will. I was in almost the same situation as you my friend. I used to change from school to school each 2 years and lost all my friends each time. The worst thing is that the first time I went from a french school to an english school...not an immersion school (french+english), an english school. I didn't know how to speak english in an english school...can you imagine?
Yeah, OK. I was in a Ukrainian-Russian school for my first 3 years. Then I moved to the US. Oh, they all speak English there. Then I went to some other US school. Then I went to Russia. My math was crap because US math is way below exUSSR math. So I had pretty crappy grades. Then I went to some other Russian school for some reason. The reason was "divorce". Then I went to a Ukrainian school. Then we went to Ohio into some horrible school and we decided fuck it so we homeschooled until 9th grade. 9th grade is pretty high up so we decided maybe we need SOME kind of a school so we took a charter one for half a year. Then we ended up in NJ with a pretty good high school and we stayed there for a year and a half. Then we went to Atlanta, Georgia, now I am in Duluth High School, having a crush on this guy who is way above me but would be way below me in grades and club endorsement if only I was able to stay in the high school system 4 years in DHS like he did. So here I am with 5 AP classes and B's in most of them + a 78 in Calculus, ready for finals this week... Yes, I'm pretty happy with myself, I handled all that and I'm not a super-depressed wreck.
Some people out there can't. And it's not lazyness, it's not anything, it's just weakness sometimes, or even learned helplessness (psychological belief that no matter what you do you will not succeed). And you may say "fuck those some people" but, I don't say that because I get to live with them. And I know that surroundings make all the difference.
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What I can't understand, on the other hand, is how people can let themselves down so easily. Dwelling on problems is the worst thing you can actually do!
If you can't, you can't. I can. It's called Psychology.
No, I think I wasn't clear enough about that particular point. If you wanna play as a knight and kill monsters... go ahead play Oblivion. It's entertainment like watching TV, playing chess or even playing D&D. My example about skating was something that can easily be done with some organization and will. Skating benefits health and well being. Playing playstation home where you see someone (you) skating with friends brings nothing more than entertainment. Real Skating = entertainment + health, Virtual Skating = Entertainment. Some people will prefer the playstation skating over real skating. This, my friend, is the problem.
Um, you can skate with HOME? Secondly, skating in a video game is completely different from skating in real life. Enough so that they're not similar and should never be compared as such. You don't see neat little floating icons all over the place in real life. Points don't flash across the screen when you do some awesome trick in real life. They're different.
Why are you calling me an hypocrite? I don't organise football games with my friends because we don't quite like playing football (except me). On the other hand, I organise regular hockey games and we sometimes play for 8 hours straight. I'm not an hypocrite, I am bound to what I say and true to my word. When I play NHL 09 I'm not me, I'm Crosby or Kovalev and I play against the best hockey players in the world.
Because NFL games are simulators designed to run games. Simulations. Games. Go out and play the real thing in real life, because apparently anything that can be simulated on a game (by your numerous statements) is completely bad and a waste of time. Hypocrisy.
In reality I'm a good hockey player, but never as good and talented as these guys are. Therefore, I will never be able to enter the NHL. NHL 09 permits me to do that!
Use your imagination? Kids used it for decades. And, if you want this to apply to HOME, I'm never going to own a cozy seaside studio for a home, so, um, same principle. Hypocrisy. You're not allowing the same rules to be applied to the exact same scenario.
Just like when you play oblivion. Playstation online.... no I can go to my house and decorate, I can invite people for parties, I can play bowling, I can walk in the streets.
I can buy a plastic lightsaber, so I guess I shouldn't play Knights of the Old Republic?
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I agree with you. It shouldn"t replace your life, but it can. I have seen totally cool people become total hermits only because of WOW. Wow isn"t supposed to replace your life cause it"s a game. Yet it can and it did with them. Sad thing to see but totally possible. [/quote »
Yes, that's what I mean. But do you, in complete honesty, think anyone on earth is that addicted to HOME? It's not a game that you sit down and play for hours, it's a medium to get people together so that you can play another game online, like organizing a party for Little Big Planet. People do not just sit there for hours to subsidize the boredom of their own lives- they have real games to play.
[QUOTE]I haven't seen it that way and I must agree with you. Most people are total bitches only cause the psychological barrier is totally non existant. You can meet real friends online, but the problem appears when it's only online. This is only my opinion, but according to me a friend that you've know for a long time and lived cool experiences in real and virtual life with is more complete than an internet only friend. ( I really hate to categorised friends like that BTW).
And I totally agree with that, it's true. There are things only RL friends can be to you (real emotion is extremely hard to express via the net). And conversely, what I said earlier.
It's a sentimental thing at the end of the road. You meet a friend online and have good happy feeling about him/her, great. There is a difference between a person you know and a friend.
No, but these are different experiences. Playing NHL 09 and playing real hockey are 2 totally different things. When NHL 09 becomes the alternative of playing real hockey, you have a big problem. When Playstation home becomes the alternative for real life, you have a gigantic problem. Variation is the key here. When you do something too much, you're an addict. When you do a little bit of this and a little bit of that, it's perfectly natural and normal. To illustrate my point i'll set an example : imagine a guy that plays playstation home and meets people online and is having the time of his life. John (his name), gets the visit of Mike (best real friend) who's proposing him to go to a football game. John who's really into a playstation home party, declines Mike's offer saying that he isn't in the mood for a football game (this, right here, is perfectly ok). The next day, John decides to go shop at the playstation home mall and ... suprize Mike is back and this time he wants to go shop for a TV proposing John to come along to the futureshop. John also declines this offer cause he doesn't really want to buy anything new.(this is also ok). So John continues to play Playstation home, some bowling games, darts all is nice. 4 months pass and John still plays Playstation home religiously and is never in the mood for anything anymore. Why move when you can have everything delivered to your house....right? Mike never comes by anymore, he already knows that John is not in the mood for anything. But who cares about Mike... John now has 230 friends and up... 1 less friend doesn't matter, right? John now has 230 pounds of extra fat, but who cares? John is in the worst state, ever! He can hardly move his hand without having a chest pain, but who cares? His paladin level 89 can do 204895474 damage and wields the sword of Knidoquad. Ya, find someone who really cares... ho wait that's what friends are for no? He actually has 230 real friends he really knows cause .... well internet knows boundaries. I'm pretty sure they all care very very very much about his state!
See, like I said earlier, it's not what you think. People don't just sit on it for hours and hours, because guess what, they have games to play besides just sitting around playing some high-gloss bowling game or chatting underneath a palm tree. This isn't WoW, and will never become as addicting as said thing. There simply isn't much to do- it's just a medium of communication and a little package of free minigames. Yes! That's the term I was looking for. What you're saying is like me saying that everyone sits around playing minigames all day when they have tons of perfectly awesome full games to play with people. No one just sits in HOME 24/7, it's not that entertaining.
Hey man, drop the hypocritic comment, I'm getting sick of it. You haven't read what I wrote. I didn't say that simulation games were wrong. I must admit that I pushed my arguments to the extreme by saying that people will get addicted to Home... I mean I would have been out of my mind to have thought so :P. PS home = media of communication, just like messenger or facebook. Then it's alright, I agree.
Use your imagination? Kids used it for decades. And, if you want this to apply to HOME, I'm never going to own a cozy seaside studio for a home, so, um, same principle. Hypocrisy. You're not allowing the same rules to be applied to the exact same scenario.
But let me ask you this. Why can't everybody satisfy themselves of imgination instead of playing games? Cause they all are ways to spark your imagination and in their own distinct way. Just like books, music and movies. A video game is a portal to something different, something that you haven't explored yet. Getting trapped this world is similar to addiction. A book worm, a video game avid, a lunatic. I mean, we see all those people performing the same thing which is evade life. Hey, I never said that this is wrong. What is wrong TO ME is people who forget about the other things that aren't related to this hobby. TO ME, this is important. TO ME, Playstation home or any other video game becomes bad when it harvests most of your life. I said in my first incredibly hypocrite post that :" I blame them for using that game as an alternative to real life". This is what I meant, losing your life at the detriment of something immaterial. Wow may be cool but when it makes you lose most of your real life.... it's bad. I probably should have bashed Wow instead of PS home which can be, to be perfectly sincere, a great way to communicate with other people. If people can balance virtual and real life.... it's perfect. I never ever meant to say anything bad about gaming but rather wanted to share my opinion about the other side of the medal.
I guess it doesn't really work if it's a shitty game, does it? So what's Psyxix is so worried about?
Although I saw people go crazy over all sorts of games...
? I'm not going crazy over Playstation Home.... I'm going crazy over people who can't control their gaming addiction .... and don't bring up the psychology bullshit. I'm talking about people who CAN do it, which is most people in this case.
You're right, why the hell am I talking about this in a diablo forum anyway? I'm pretty sure everyone can take care of themselves...
Conclusion of the story is that the hole topic I started was pointless and just plain ignorant from my part. There's one thing I hate about forums though... I can't seem to get my message out exactly the way I want. I mean, most of the stuff I say was made with a very specific target (people) mind. You (Equinox+Magistrate) don't seem to realize that I wasn't aiming anyone like you 2. I wasn't speaking for others, in fact I was speaking for myself, my own opinion. I specified that during my other post (#24).... which you didn't seem to have read (but it doesn't really matter... cause it's pointless). So now, in the end, it really was a complete and unintentional deviation of the main topic which is in fact The Playstation Home and it's cool and inovative features.
P.S: There are 2 things pissing me off none the less.... being called an hypocrite for no apparent reason (do you actually know what an hypocrite is?). Being categorized as a very pretentious and conceited person, which I'm not. The way you guys reacted, it's like if you were the ones I was describing in my posts, geez.
Anyway, I hope you guys can all get along with my enormous ego and be kind enough to forgive my gullible and harsh comments torwards people that never existed and will never exist.
What the hell. Don't back down. Half of all the entertainment on this forum is from stupid fights between multiple parties that all think they're right. I've been in a lot of them and there always pure gold.
Do people use phones when they could go talk to them in real life? Do you MSN with friends that live three streets away? Its conditional.
A little bit different. Your point would be valid if I used my phone to call someone sitting on the couch next to me. Also, talking with someone you know on the phone is completely different than talking to someone you don't on the internet.
Either way, I vote that this thread be closed and forgotten.
LOL! I don't really have time anymore for this kind of shit goodguy Plus, they think they're right, I think I'm right... the eternal conflict what else can I say?
Furthermore, I didn't back down from my main ideas and beliefs, I am merely realizing that what I'm saying comes to the ears of a deaf. They didn't seem to read most of my stuff and tried to answer by generalizing most of my statements. Tired of it.... screw you guys, I'm going HOME
EDIT: Ho ya and one last thing
Do people use phones when they could go talk to them in real life? Do you MSN with friends that live three streets away? Its conditional.
Well ya, in this case it's called being lazy. You can't always go at your friend's house 3 blocks away to ask him/her something... not everytime. It's like the car... why do people use their cars to buy a carton of milk when the could easily use their feet. Well... this is the problem, people don't. People don't move anymore. This is why this is such a great problem. You need to make a balance between being lazy and being active. Video games tend to suck people in the inactivity part .... you mostly become in bad shape and probably get a coronary disease at 40-45 which is kinda young. Now I won't go any further as I'll probably repeat myself again... and again and again
Well, you like this reality, they like that reality.
I see no difference whatsoever.
Why work hard in life to get nothing when you can work little and pwn everyone in World of Warcraft? Explain that to me.
Well, you like this reality, they like that reality.
I see no difference whatsoever.
Why work hard in life to get nothing when you can work little and pwn everyone in World of Warcraft? Explain that to me.
Playstation Home is one of the greatest simulations I've ever seen. But yeah paying real life money for an online T-shirt is ridiculous. Graphics are amazing! PS3 OWNS.... THROW OUT YOUR 360!!!!
Playstation Home is one of the greatest simulations I've ever seen. But yeah paying real life money for an online T-shirt is ridiculous. Graphics are amazing! PS3 OWNS.... THROW OUT YOUR 360!!!!
I find that debatable. Realities cross over each other with video games. The video game is another reality. What is life? Some reality. A pretty crappy one, too. Maybe playing video games and being happy for a short while and then dying is a good way to get the crappy reality out of the way. We really have no idea what is outside our little reality here. To each his own. If one chooses to give up his life to a different reality, I say his choice. I didn't try it.
Yeah, OK. I was in a Ukrainian-Russian school for my first 3 years. Then I moved to the US. Oh, they all speak English there. Then I went to some other US school. Then I went to Russia. My math was crap because US math is way below exUSSR math. So I had pretty crappy grades. Then I went to some other Russian school for some reason. The reason was "divorce". Then I went to a Ukrainian school. Then we went to Ohio into some horrible school and we decided fuck it so we homeschooled until 9th grade. 9th grade is pretty high up so we decided maybe we need SOME kind of a school so we took a charter one for half a year. Then we ended up in NJ with a pretty good high school and we stayed there for a year and a half. Then we went to Atlanta, Georgia, now I am in Duluth High School, having a crush on this guy who is way above me but would be way below me in grades and club endorsement if only I was able to stay in the high school system 4 years in DHS like he did. So here I am with 5 AP classes and B's in most of them + a 78 in Calculus, ready for finals this week... Yes, I'm pretty happy with myself, I handled all that and I'm not a super-depressed wreck.
Some people out there can't. And it's not lazyness, it's not anything, it's just weakness sometimes, or even learned helplessness (psychological belief that no matter what you do you will not succeed). And you may say "fuck those some people" but, I don't say that because I get to live with them. And I know that surroundings make all the difference.
If you can't, you can't. I can. It's called Psychology.
Um, you can skate with HOME? Secondly, skating in a video game is completely different from skating in real life. Enough so that they're not similar and should never be compared as such. You don't see neat little floating icons all over the place in real life. Points don't flash across the screen when you do some awesome trick in real life. They're different.
Because NFL games are simulators designed to run games. Simulations. Games. Go out and play the real thing in real life, because apparently anything that can be simulated on a game (by your numerous statements) is completely bad and a waste of time. Hypocrisy.
Use your imagination? Kids used it for decades. And, if you want this to apply to HOME, I'm never going to own a cozy seaside studio for a home, so, um, same principle. Hypocrisy. You're not allowing the same rules to be applied to the exact same scenario.
I can buy a plastic lightsaber, so I guess I shouldn't play Knights of the Old Republic?
And I totally agree with that, it's true. There are things only RL friends can be to you (real emotion is extremely hard to express via the net). And conversely, what I said earlier.
It's a sentimental thing at the end of the road. You meet a friend online and have good happy feeling about him/her, great. There is a difference between a person you know and a friend.
See, like I said earlier, it's not what you think. People don't just sit on it for hours and hours, because guess what, they have games to play besides just sitting around playing some high-gloss bowling game or chatting underneath a palm tree. This isn't WoW, and will never become as addicting as said thing. There simply isn't much to do- it's just a medium of communication and a little package of free minigames. Yes! That's the term I was looking for. What you're saying is like me saying that everyone sits around playing minigames all day when they have tons of perfectly awesome full games to play with people. No one just sits in HOME 24/7, it's not that entertaining.
But let me ask you this. Why can't everybody satisfy themselves of imgination instead of playing games? Cause they all are ways to spark your imagination and in their own distinct way. Just like books, music and movies. A video game is a portal to something different, something that you haven't explored yet. Getting trapped this world is similar to addiction. A book worm, a video game avid, a lunatic. I mean, we see all those people performing the same thing which is evade life. Hey, I never said that this is wrong. What is wrong TO ME is people who forget about the other things that aren't related to this hobby. TO ME, this is important. TO ME, Playstation home or any other video game becomes bad when it harvests most of your life. I said in my first incredibly hypocrite post that :" I blame them for using that game as an alternative to real life". This is what I meant, losing your life at the detriment of something immaterial. Wow may be cool but when it makes you lose most of your real life.... it's bad. I probably should have bashed Wow instead of PS home which can be, to be perfectly sincere, a great way to communicate with other people. If people can balance virtual and real life.... it's perfect. I never ever meant to say anything bad about gaming but rather wanted to share my opinion about the other side of the medal.
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Although I saw people go crazy over all sorts of games...
Yes. We all love to speak for others, don't we? Sorry, the world doesn't work that way. But most people never learn. Join the club.
Conclusion of the story is that the hole topic I started was pointless and just plain ignorant from my part. There's one thing I hate about forums though... I can't seem to get my message out exactly the way I want. I mean, most of the stuff I say was made with a very specific target (people) mind. You (Equinox+Magistrate) don't seem to realize that I wasn't aiming anyone like you 2. I wasn't speaking for others, in fact I was speaking for myself, my own opinion. I specified that during my other post (#24).... which you didn't seem to have read (but it doesn't really matter... cause it's pointless). So now, in the end, it really was a complete and unintentional deviation of the main topic which is in fact The Playstation Home and it's cool and inovative features.
P.S: There are 2 things pissing me off none the less.... being called an hypocrite for no apparent reason (do you actually know what an hypocrite is?). Being categorized as a very pretentious and conceited person, which I'm not. The way you guys reacted, it's like if you were the ones I was describing in my posts, geez.
Anyway, I hope you guys can all get along with my enormous ego and be kind enough to forgive my gullible and harsh comments torwards people that never existed and will never exist.
I'm disappointed in you.
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A little bit different. Your point would be valid if I used my phone to call someone sitting on the couch next to me. Also, talking with someone you know on the phone is completely different than talking to someone you don't on the internet.
Either way, I vote that this thread be closed and forgotten.
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Furthermore, I didn't back down from my main ideas and beliefs, I am merely realizing that what I'm saying comes to the ears of a deaf. They didn't seem to read most of my stuff and tried to answer by generalizing most of my statements. Tired of it.... screw you guys, I'm going HOME
EDIT: Ho ya and one last thing
Well ya, in this case it's called being lazy. You can't always go at your friend's house 3 blocks away to ask him/her something... not everytime. It's like the car... why do people use their cars to buy a carton of milk when the could easily use their feet. Well... this is the problem, people don't. People don't move anymore. This is why this is such a great problem. You need to make a balance between being lazy and being active. Video games tend to suck people in the inactivity part .... you mostly become in bad shape and probably get a coronary disease at 40-45 which is kinda young. Now I won't go any further as I'll probably repeat myself again... and again and again
I see no difference whatsoever.
Why work hard in life to get nothing when you can work little and pwn everyone in World of Warcraft? Explain that to me.
Are you out of your fucking mind?
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And it's fucking scary.
I'd quit with your bullshit while you're ahead.
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