I don't know how I wrote down a 6gb set of ram. I was just copying stuff over from a wishlist I made on newegg and somehow I messed that up :S, but I'm going for this:
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
The ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 does seem like a much better choice than the motherboard I picked and its cheaper. I was under the impression that the z68 series was more expensive and I wouldn't get much gain out of it since I probably wont ever use the integrated graphics, so I never even looked at those boards.
I couldn't decide between corsair and antec psu's, but since I heard good things about both, I went for antec because it is cheaper, but if 2 people recommend corsair, i will probably go with the CORSAIR Professional Series HX650.
I'm going to look into cases and GPUs some more than probably post again, thanks again for you help so far.
Okay then, current build:
Case: Cooler Master 690 II
Mobo: Asus P8Z68-V Pro
CPU: Intel i7-2600k (I do plan to oc, so i'll spend the extra $20 for the k)
Hard drives:
Crucial M4 64GB SSd
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM
Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws X series 8GB(2 x 4GB) DDR3 1333
PSU: Corsair HX650
CPU fan: Cooler master hyper 212
Monitor: Asus VW246H 24" widescreen LCD
Then GPU choices are
Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB or
Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 1GB (Edited that to say 1GB, not 2)
I am going to get a new mouse and keyboard too so,
Mouse: Logitech G4000
Keyboard: Either cheap standard keyboard or a mechanical keyboard (probably das keyboard professional silent).
I'll probably wait until near thanksgiving to see if any of these parts are on sale to decide between the GPU's and the keyboards, but as of now this is between $1700 and $2000.
I think for your memory, 1600mhz are the mainstream now and are deadcheap, so why not.
And look for deals on ssds, i personally feel 64gb is a little small, its definitely enough for windows + some important programs + diablo 3. but that'll probably be it. Since D3 is probably going to be 10gb+ and you always want free space on C drive due to continuous updates in the future.
But thats just what I feel, a lot of people have used 60gb ssd for C with no problem and plenty of space. Just depends on how you use it, how many games you are going to install (ssd doesn't increase fps at all, just the load and tab-in/tab-out time).
Yeah I've never understood the desire to buy a small SSD for the OS and a large mechanical hdd for the apps. That setup will get you fast bootups, but nothing more.
Yeah I've never understood the desire to buy a small SSD for the OS and a large mechanical hdd for the apps. That setup will get you fast bootups, but nothing more.
Most idiotic sentence ever.
Who the f*** does not want faster boot ups ? And im talking major difference not small!
And thats not all? How about EVERY single program and game you install on it wil load install update and download a hella lot faster, or the fact that if you install your OS on it that meens then that your internet download speed wil go up, way up, and the pages on the webbrowser wil open much faster, and the general refresh rate of pritty much annything gets boosted up.
So a atleast 120gb ssd is highly recomended.
Or else its nothing more then just a pc, and deffenetly not a high end or even a low budget gaming pc, or a gaming pc at all.
I think for your memory, 1600mhz are the mainstream now and are deadcheap, so why not.
And look for deals on ssds, i personally feel 64gb is a little small, its definitely enough for windows + some important programs + diablo 3. but that'll probably be it. Since D3 is probably going to be 10gb+ and you always want free space on C drive due to continuous updates in the future.
But thats just what I feel, a lot of people have used 60gb ssd for C with no problem and plenty of space. Just depends on how you use it, how many games you are going to install (ssd doesn't increase fps at all, just the load and tab-in/tab-out time).
Happy Shopping
All the rest of your suggestions made me spend more money, but somehow the 1600mhz ram is 1 dollar cheaper than its 1333mhz counterpart on newegg. Weird.
As for the SSD, I think 64 gb is a good size for me. I will probably have at most 1 game on it at a time, as a lot of the time I just play 1 game religiously for a while, take if off my computer and then find a new game to worship.
And sinze 160GB ones cost twice as much, I think i will be happy with 64 Gbs.
Yeah I just get a RAM like Corsair Vengeance with the heatsinks then you just crank them up to 1600. Like that other guy said, it's pretty standard now.
All the rest of your suggestions made me spend more money, but somehow the 1600mhz ram is 1 dollar cheaper than its 1333mhz counterpart on newegg. Weird.
As for the SSD, I think 64 gb is a good size for me. I will probably have at most 1 game on it at a time, as a lot of the time I just play 1 game religiously for a while, take if off my computer and then find a new game to worship.
And sinze 160GB ones cost twice as much, I think i will be happy with 64 Gbs.
hah Im sure you'll be happy with the PC, and expect to spend less than you intentionally estimated, since the holiday seasons bring great deals, just have to find them. Especially sometimes there's these motherboard+cpu bundles, as long as its 2600k, which is what you want, most bundled motherboards are fine (Asus and gigabyte does this a lot it seems)
For the ssd, I think you'll be fine. The crucial m4 128gb or the intel 310 120gb are good choices if you ever think about going for more. In August intel had a $40 rebate on their ssds, I got my ssd (Intel 510 120gb) then, at $270, and received the rebate just 2 weeks ago, so intel's mail in rebates are not that bad. I chose the Crucial M4 128gb ssd for a friend last weekend, and it was $190. The lowest I see Intel's 320 120gb is about $200. These are Canadian prices, but should be very similar to american prices. So if you see better prices than that, maybe you can think about it.
How do you guys feel about SeaSonic power supplies? The SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold is currently cheaper than the power supply I had chosen and it seems better too. Based on reviews, the brand seems quite reliable, but I don't know anybody that has any personal experience with them. Does anyone here have any thoughts on it?
Awesome. I figured they must be pretty good as I had a very hard time finding negative reviews for their power supplies and the fact that when that one went on sale for $99 on newegg they were sold out on the first day. Luckily they got more and I just got it.
Thanks again for your help. I normally don't have a very hard time resisting the urge to buy stuff impulsively, but these sales are getting to me and its nice to get some reassurance that I am not doing something completely stupid.
Although things should get better now, since I was the most indecisive about the case, psu and mobo and I have bought the case and psu, so now I just need to wait for a good deal on the motherboard. The rest of the parts are pretty standard and I know a lot more about them.
Yeah I've never understood the desire to buy a small SSD for the OS and a large mechanical hdd for the apps. That setup will get you fast bootups, but nothing more.
Most idiotic sentence ever.
Who the f*** does not want faster boot ups ? And im talking major difference not small!
Spending $100ish dollars just to gain a few seconds on Windows bootup is not a very wise use of money.
And thats not all? How about EVERY single program and game you install on it wil load install update
Please reread my post, as you missed my point. Why buy a small SSD to install Windows and a large mechanical to install all your programs and games? You certainly won't be loading those apps or games any quicker.
download a hella lot faster, or the fact that if you install your OS on it that meens then that your internet download speed wil go up, way up, and the pages on the webbrowser wil open much faster, and the general refresh rate of pritty much annything gets boosted up.
None of these things are true. When downloading, the speed limiter is your internet. Mechanical drives can write anywhere from 66 to 100+ MB/second. On the low end, that's a 528 megabit internet connection. That is significantly faster than any home internet connection available. The pages in your browser won't load any quicker either.
So a atleast 120gb ssd is highly recomended.
Let me get this straight. You flame me for inquiring why people are buying small 64gig ssd drives and then turn around and recommend a 128?
Or else its nothing more then just a pc, and deffenetly not a high end or even a low budget gaming pc, or a gaming pc at all.
An ssd hardly defines what kind of system you have. It'll give you quicker boots, app/game loads, etc but it isn't going to magically increase your frames per second. A high end gaming pc works just fine without an ssd. Until prices come down, they are little more than frivolous expenditures. And I have a couple.
I have a budget of $800 and I want to buy a computer that would run Diablo 3 and Amnesia. I would like to build this but I have no idea what stuff to get. Please let me know asap!
Yeah I've never understood the desire to buy a small SSD for the OS and a large mechanical hdd for the apps. That setup will get you fast bootups, but nothing more.
Most idiotic sentence ever.
Who the f*** does not want faster boot ups ? And im talking major difference not small!
Spending $100ish dollars just to gain a few seconds on Windows bootup is not a very wise use of money.
And thats not all? How about EVERY single program and game you install on it wil load install update
Please reread my post, as you missed my point. Why buy a small SSD to install Windows and a large mechanical to install all your programs and games? You certainly won't be loading those apps or games any quicker.
download a hella lot faster, or the fact that if you install your OS on it that meens then that your internet download speed wil go up, way up, and the pages on the webbrowser wil open much faster, and the general refresh rate of pritty much annything gets boosted up.
None of these things are true. When downloading, the speed limiter is your internet. Mechanical drives can write anywhere from 66 to 100+ MB/second. On the low end, that's a 528 megabit internet connection. That is significantly faster than any home internet connection available. The pages in your browser won't load any quicker either.
So a atleast 120gb ssd is highly recomended.
Let me get this straight. You flame me for inquiring why people are buying small 64gig ssd drives and then turn around and recommend a 128?
Or else its nothing more then just a pc, and deffenetly not a high end or even a low budget gaming pc, or a gaming pc at all.
An ssd hardly defines what kind of system you have. It'll give you quicker boots, app/game loads, etc but it isn't going to magically increase your frames per second. A high end gaming pc works just fine without an ssd. Until prices come down, they are little more than frivolous expenditures. And I have a couple.
Man, you are truely a morron.
You realy make me laugh my ass off.
Spending 100$ on a ssd is wise usage of monney, not doing so is greedy use of monney, even the regulair gamer should have a ssd.
And mind me asking how manny benchmarks you have done in our life time ? I meen why am i even asking for gods sake, its a fact there is no argument over it dude, wtf are you talking about ''you wont be loading those programs up faster ?'' Are you dumb ? Are you trying to sound smart trying to flip the tables arround ? I am amazed by this guys stupidity, how can you say it wont run programs faster ? Thats the hole use of a ssd that what ssd's do thats whats worth buying a ssd is for !
And regarding the internet connection part: I think you dont fully understood me. Because what you basicly r saying is that if for example my internet connection is 5mbps and i run my OS on a normal 7200rpm hdd then my download speed would be the SAME as when would run the same OS with the SAME internet connection but this time on a ssd... Dont get me wrong, a ssd does not increase your internet connection, it just uses its full potential, if you for example have 10 mbps connection, installed your os on a regulair hdd, then it wil never ever use that full 10 mbps, a ssd however wont ether, but itl come MUCH closer to use the full 10mbps then a regulair hdd would.
Also i sayd ATLEAST 128gb, because im trying to put myself in other peoples positions, not eveyone has the same luxury as some of us. 64 to 128gb is a massive improvement for a ssd, its not a storage drive we r talking about here.
For your last quote: i never sayd ssd's increase framerates.
You say al this with the ''prices'' in your mind, you have to put yourself in a position where you should base your opinion on FACTS of technical stuff, not say: Ugh ugh ssd this that meh, prices r to high... Thats just stupid because you clearly did in your last quote.
A gaming pc is NOT a gaming pc without a ssd, thats final.
Also 1 other thing there bro.
Your second quote:
Why buy a small SSD to install Windows and a large mechanical to install all your programs and games? You certainly won't be loading those apps or games any quicker.
Now your last quote:
An ssd hardly defines what kind of system you have. It'll give you quicker boots, app/game loads, etc
Now looking at those 2 quotes i say, with ''mechanical'' i hope to god you ment to say a storage hdd/regulair NOn ssd. because if not then im going to coontinue laughing my ass of if you wil excuse me for a moment.
I meen, dude we are talkign facts here, your argument is truely INVALID here, because you are putting up your opinion against a FACT. Thats like saying, ''There is no water in the world...'' Ye i know waaaaay off example, but trying to give you an idea on how you come over toords me when you say what you say
I have a budget of $800 and I want to buy a computer that would run Diablo 3 and Amnesia. I would like to build this but I have no idea what stuff to get. Please let me know asap!
I put together a package at Newegg that should suit your needs. Can probably be improved a bit but it's a good start.
Cart Item List: EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked 01G-P3-1372-TR Video Card
Item #:N82E16814130571
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
$169.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130661 instead. Has a $15 savings card which makes it ~the same as the 460.
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3EG 500GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #:N82E16822152305
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$99.99
Antec Three Hundred Black Computer Case
Item #:N82E16811129042
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
$69.99
$54.99
Spending 100$ on a ssd is wise usage of monney, not doing so is greedy use of monney, even the regulair gamer should have a ssd.
English doesn't seem to be your first language, which is ok and is probably why you don't understand what I'm saying here. But there's no excuse to insult anyone. I'm not sure how saving your money is greedy. At this price-point, an ssd is a luxury, not a necessity.
And mind me asking how manny benchmarks you have done in our life time ? I meen why am i even asking for gods sake, its a fact there is no argument over it dude, wtf are you talking about ''you wont be loading those programs up faster ?'' Are you dumb ? Are you trying to sound smart trying to flip the tables arround ? I am amazed by this guys stupidity, how can you say it wont run programs faster ? Thats the hole use of a ssd that what ssd's do thats whats worth buying a ssd is for !
For the third time....installing the operating system on an ssd and all your programs/games on a mechanical hdd WILL NOT increase the loading speed of those apps because they are still installed on a slower mechanical drive. Your OS will boot up faster and anything on that ssd will be quicker, but anything installed on the mechanical drive will not magically be quicker just because your os is on the ssd.
And regarding the internet connection part: I think you dont fully understood me. Because what you basicly r saying is that if for example my internet connection is 5mbps and i run my OS on a normal 7200rpm hdd then my download speed would be the SAME as when would run the same OS with the SAME internet connection but this time on a ssd... Dont get me wrong, a ssd does not increase your internet connection, it just uses its full potential, if you for example have 10 mbps connection, installed your os on a regulair hdd, then it wil never ever use that full 10 mbps, a ssd however wont ether, but itl come MUCH closer to use the full 10mbps then a regulair hdd would.
If you have your os installed on a mechanical drive it will still use the full 10megabit connection, and very easily. 10 megabit is only 1.25 MB/second. While that is speedy for most internet connections, that is terribly slow for any kind of harddrive. As I said, just about any mechanical drive you buy these days will at least hit 66 MB/s. I have 12megabit and routinely hit the max on a computer with a mechanical hdd.
Also i sayd ATLEAST 128gb, because im trying to put myself in other peoples positions, not eveyone has the same luxury as some of us. 64 to 128gb is a massive improvement for a ssd, its not a storage drive we r talking about here.
I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying...
For your last quote: i never sayd ssd's increase framerates.
You say al this with the ''prices'' in your mind, you have to put yourself in a position where you should base your opinion on FACTS of technical stuff, not say: Ugh ugh ssd this that meh, prices r to high... Thats just stupid because you clearly did in your last quote.
You have to consider price, as not everyone can afford an SSD so it won't even be an option for them. You mention facts, but you have yet to use any. In fact, most of your claims are devoid of any facts. Feel free to link resources to back up your claims.
A gaming pc is NOT a gaming pc without a ssd, thats final.
You'll need to expand on this comment, as it's silly without an explanation. A ssd doesn't offer increased fps or any improvement at all once the game is running. If a game is installed on an ssd you'll decrease your loading time by a few seconds, that's it. After that, your gaming experience on a hdd is the same as an ssd. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone else who agrees with your definition of a gaming pc.
Now looking at those 2 quotes i say, with ''mechanical'' i hope to god you ment to say a storage hdd/regulair NOn ssd. because if not then im going to coontinue laughing my ass of if you wil excuse me for a moment.
What else would I be talking about....
I meen, dude we are talkign facts here, your argument is truely INVALID here, because you are putting up your opinion against a FACT. Thats like saying, ''There is no water in the world...'' Ye i know waaaaay off example, but trying to give you an idea on how you come over toords me when you say what you say
Please post links to these "facts" you keep talking about. Frankly, I still don't think you understand my original statement, despite going into detail twice.
Spending 100$ on a ssd is wise usage of monney, not doing so is greedy use of monney, even the regulair gamer should have a ssd.
English doesn't seem to be your first language, which is ok and is probably why you don't understand what I'm saying here. But there's no excuse to insult anyone. I'm not sure how saving your money is greedy. At this price-point, an ssd is a luxury, not a necessity.
And mind me asking how manny benchmarks you have done in our life time ? I meen why am i even asking for gods sake, its a fact there is no argument over it dude, wtf are you talking about ''you wont be loading those programs up faster ?'' Are you dumb ? Are you trying to sound smart trying to flip the tables arround ? I am amazed by this guys stupidity, how can you say it wont run programs faster ? Thats the hole use of a ssd that what ssd's do thats whats worth buying a ssd is for !
For the third time....installing the operating system on an ssd and all your programs/games on a mechanical hdd WILL NOT increase the loading speed of those apps because they are still installed on a slower mechanical drive. Your OS will boot up faster and anything on that ssd will be quicker, but anything installed on the mechanical drive will not magically be quicker just because your os is on the ssd.
And regarding the internet connection part: I think you dont fully understood me. Because what you basicly r saying is that if for example my internet connection is 5mbps and i run my OS on a normal 7200rpm hdd then my download speed would be the SAME as when would run the same OS with the SAME internet connection but this time on a ssd... Dont get me wrong, a ssd does not increase your internet connection, it just uses its full potential, if you for example have 10 mbps connection, installed your os on a regulair hdd, then it wil never ever use that full 10 mbps, a ssd however wont ether, but itl come MUCH closer to use the full 10mbps then a regulair hdd would.
If you have your os installed on a mechanical drive it will still use the full 10megabit connection, and very easily. 10 megabit is only 1.25 MB/second. While that is speedy for most internet connections, that is terribly slow for any kind of harddrive. As I said, just about any mechanical drive you buy these days will at least hit 66 MB/s. I have 12megabit and routinely hit the max on a computer with a mechanical hdd.
Also i sayd ATLEAST 128gb, because im trying to put myself in other peoples positions, not eveyone has the same luxury as some of us. 64 to 128gb is a massive improvement for a ssd, its not a storage drive we r talking about here.
I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying...
For your last quote: i never sayd ssd's increase framerates.
You say al this with the ''prices'' in your mind, you have to put yourself in a position where you should base your opinion on FACTS of technical stuff, not say: Ugh ugh ssd this that meh, prices r to high... Thats just stupid because you clearly did in your last quote.
You have to consider price, as not everyone can afford an SSD so it won't even be an option for them. You mention facts, but you have yet to use any. In fact, most of your claims are devoid of any facts. Feel free to link resources to back up your claims.
A gaming pc is NOT a gaming pc without a ssd, thats final.
You'll need to expand on this comment, as it's silly without an explanation. A ssd doesn't offer increased fps or any improvement at all once the game is running. If a game is installed on an ssd you'll decrease your loading time by a few seconds, that's it. After that, your gaming experience on a hdd is the same as an ssd. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone else who agrees with your definition of a gaming pc.
Now looking at those 2 quotes i say, with ''mechanical'' i hope to god you ment to say a storage hdd/regulair NOn ssd. because if not then im going to coontinue laughing my ass of if you wil excuse me for a moment.
What else would I be talking about....
I meen, dude we are talkign facts here, your argument is truely INVALID here, because you are putting up your opinion against a FACT. Thats like saying, ''There is no water in the world...'' Ye i know waaaaay off example, but trying to give you an idea on how you come over toords me when you say what you say
Please post links to these "facts" you keep talking about. Frankly, I still don't think you understand my original statement, despite going into detail twice.
Oh i understand you very wel dont worry about that, i wish i diddent so it would explain your lack of knowledge regarding PC's in general.
Your first comment is 100% an opinion that manny share, but by far not al, wich is the reason it is an opinion and NOT a fact. I for example consider it a necessity, what are we talking here, a lousy 200 dollars ?.
Your second quote: I agree 100%, but know that some peoples definition of a ''mechanical '' hdd, is a second or third ssd But obviously i know what you meen. You could have easily skipped it if you had read my 7'th quote.
Regarding the internet connection part: Let me get this str8, because i am done with this part, im just mindblown. If someone would give you a free SSD, would you take it and install your os on it ? Say yes or no, just yes or no, and i would know inough.
What you sayd, AFTER what i sayd.
You have to consider price, as not everyone can afford an SSD so it won't even be an option for them.
What i sayd BEFOR what you sayd.
im trying to put myself in other peoples positions, not eveyone has the same luxury as some of us
So tell me what kinds of ''facts'' you want me to link about the way YOU are thinking?
There is no linkin in that mate, the way you are thinking is by looking @ the prices and THEN giving your opinion about the ssd, you need to look @ EVERYTHING else befor the price, after al no body is forcing you to buy it, i can imagin your friend asking you for advise about a ssd that HE is willing to buy, but you give him negative advise just because YOU think they are expensive.. Seriously fuck that, you can buy a PC? You can afford internet connection from your provider ? You can afford to buy games ? But noooooo you cant do ssd's? Im sorry i gues its just me missing the logic here.
Regarding the sixth quote.
I dont need to expand shit on that, thats the beauty of a opinion.
'' A ssd doesn't offer increased fps or any improvement at all once the game is running. If a game is installed on an ssd you'll decrease your loading time by a few seconds, that's it. After that, your gaming experience on a hdd is the same as an ssd''
Your saying that asif you dont care about faster loading times...If you ask me, it is a good thing to have in a gaming pc
Regarding your last quote:
There is absolutely no need to repeat yourself for the third time, because i dont agree with you, that does not meen i cant understand what you are saying.
Again, what do you want me to link ? You want me to link on how a ssd is better then a hdd ?
This thread needs to be moderated. It is not suppose to be a flame war between both of you, Hpnot1Q and Supafula. Take a chill pill, relax and think this through. This thread is to help others with their computer issues (atleast that is what I thought).
From what I understand, the person never said he would only install windows on the SSD. Both of you went from one assumption to another and started going at each other. Also, there are some misunderstandings between both of you but you are unable to see it as you are way into the thick.
64GB SSD is more than enough for OS, apps and games. I have BF3, Skyrim and Prototype installed on mine. It is around 54GB.
You could mention for those that don't know is that the performance of your SSD will decrease the less space it has left and that is when it is closing in to full (90%). This is why I would always recommend a ~120GB SSD but if saving that amount would mean that you would make your budget or get a better graphic card, then I would go for the latter. We all know that we only need enough space for OS and D3.
SSD is a great upgrade/buy if you can afford it. End of.
I don't want to hop in the debate but as far Windows 7 OS is concerned when gauging disk space requirements the formula is this:
Current OS space requirements + 1 and 1/2 times RAM for the paging file + disk space for 3 years estimated patches + space need for upgrade (if you plan on upgrading to the next version of the OS.)
At least that is how you estimate needed space on a server. Windows 7 (C:\Windows directory) takes about 30GB of space, if you have say 8GB RAM then tack on another 12 GB for the page file, and the one that gets people the most is amount of space needed for Windows updates over time. I typically tack on another 100GB for good measure that covers that plus upgrade space IF that is the path that is wanted for the next version of the OS.
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I don't know how I wrote down a 6gb set of ram. I was just copying stuff over from a wishlist I made on newegg and somehow I messed that up :S, but I'm going for this:
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
The ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 does seem like a much better choice than the motherboard I picked and its cheaper. I was under the impression that the z68 series was more expensive and I wouldn't get much gain out of it since I probably wont ever use the integrated graphics, so I never even looked at those boards.
I couldn't decide between corsair and antec psu's, but since I heard good things about both, I went for antec because it is cheaper, but if 2 people recommend corsair, i will probably go with the CORSAIR Professional Series HX650.
I'm going to look into cases and GPUs some more than probably post again, thanks again for you help so far.
Case: Cooler Master 690 II
Mobo: Asus P8Z68-V Pro
CPU: Intel i7-2600k (I do plan to oc, so i'll spend the extra $20 for the k)
Hard drives:
Crucial M4 64GB SSd
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM
Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws X series 8GB(2 x 4GB) DDR3 1333
PSU: Corsair HX650
CPU fan: Cooler master hyper 212
Monitor: Asus VW246H 24" widescreen LCD
Then GPU choices are
Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB or
Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 1GB (Edited that to say 1GB, not 2)
I am going to get a new mouse and keyboard too so,
Mouse: Logitech G4000
Keyboard: Either cheap standard keyboard or a mechanical keyboard (probably das keyboard professional silent).
I'll probably wait until near thanksgiving to see if any of these parts are on sale to decide between the GPU's and the keyboards, but as of now this is between $1700 and $2000.
I think for your memory, 1600mhz are the mainstream now and are deadcheap, so why not.
And look for deals on ssds, i personally feel 64gb is a little small, its definitely enough for windows + some important programs + diablo 3. but that'll probably be it. Since D3 is probably going to be 10gb+ and you always want free space on C drive due to continuous updates in the future.
But thats just what I feel, a lot of people have used 60gb ssd for C with no problem and plenty of space. Just depends on how you use it, how many games you are going to install (ssd doesn't increase fps at all, just the load and tab-in/tab-out time).
Happy Shopping
Most idiotic sentence ever.
Who the f*** does not want faster boot ups ? And im talking major difference not small!
And thats not all? How about EVERY single program and game you install on it wil load install update and download a hella lot faster, or the fact that if you install your OS on it that meens then that your internet download speed wil go up, way up, and the pages on the webbrowser wil open much faster, and the general refresh rate of pritty much annything gets boosted up.
So a atleast 120gb ssd is highly recomended.
Or else its nothing more then just a pc, and deffenetly not a high end or even a low budget gaming pc, or a gaming pc at all.
All the rest of your suggestions made me spend more money, but somehow the 1600mhz ram is 1 dollar cheaper than its 1333mhz counterpart on newegg. Weird.
As for the SSD, I think 64 gb is a good size for me. I will probably have at most 1 game on it at a time, as a lot of the time I just play 1 game religiously for a while, take if off my computer and then find a new game to worship.
And sinze 160GB ones cost twice as much, I think i will be happy with 64 Gbs.
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hah Im sure you'll be happy with the PC, and expect to spend less than you intentionally estimated, since the holiday seasons bring great deals, just have to find them. Especially sometimes there's these motherboard+cpu bundles, as long as its 2600k, which is what you want, most bundled motherboards are fine (Asus and gigabyte does this a lot it seems)
For the ssd, I think you'll be fine. The crucial m4 128gb or the intel 310 120gb are good choices if you ever think about going for more. In August intel had a $40 rebate on their ssds, I got my ssd (Intel 510 120gb) then, at $270, and received the rebate just 2 weeks ago, so intel's mail in rebates are not that bad. I chose the Crucial M4 128gb ssd for a friend last weekend, and it was $190. The lowest I see Intel's 320 120gb is about $200. These are Canadian prices, but should be very similar to american prices. So if you see better prices than that, maybe you can think about it.
Thanks again for your help. I normally don't have a very hard time resisting the urge to buy stuff impulsively, but these sales are getting to me and its nice to get some reassurance that I am not doing something completely stupid.
Although things should get better now, since I was the most indecisive about the case, psu and mobo and I have bought the case and psu, so now I just need to wait for a good deal on the motherboard. The rest of the parts are pretty standard and I know a lot more about them.
Spending $100ish dollars just to gain a few seconds on Windows bootup is not a very wise use of money.
Please reread my post, as you missed my point. Why buy a small SSD to install Windows and a large mechanical to install all your programs and games? You certainly won't be loading those apps or games any quicker.
None of these things are true. When downloading, the speed limiter is your internet. Mechanical drives can write anywhere from 66 to 100+ MB/second. On the low end, that's a 528 megabit internet connection. That is significantly faster than any home internet connection available. The pages in your browser won't load any quicker either.
Let me get this straight. You flame me for inquiring why people are buying small 64gig ssd drives and then turn around and recommend a 128?
An ssd hardly defines what kind of system you have. It'll give you quicker boots, app/game loads, etc but it isn't going to magically increase your frames per second. A high end gaming pc works just fine without an ssd. Until prices come down, they are little more than frivolous expenditures. And I have a couple.
Man, you are truely a morron.
You realy make me laugh my ass off.
Spending 100$ on a ssd is wise usage of monney, not doing so is greedy use of monney, even the regulair gamer should have a ssd.
And mind me asking how manny benchmarks you have done in our life time ? I meen why am i even asking for gods sake, its a fact there is no argument over it dude, wtf are you talking about ''you wont be loading those programs up faster ?'' Are you dumb ? Are you trying to sound smart trying to flip the tables arround ? I am amazed by this guys stupidity, how can you say it wont run programs faster ? Thats the hole use of a ssd that what ssd's do thats whats worth buying a ssd is for !
And regarding the internet connection part: I think you dont fully understood me. Because what you basicly r saying is that if for example my internet connection is 5mbps and i run my OS on a normal 7200rpm hdd then my download speed would be the SAME as when would run the same OS with the SAME internet connection but this time on a ssd... Dont get me wrong, a ssd does not increase your internet connection, it just uses its full potential, if you for example have 10 mbps connection, installed your os on a regulair hdd, then it wil never ever use that full 10 mbps, a ssd however wont ether, but itl come MUCH closer to use the full 10mbps then a regulair hdd would.
Also i sayd ATLEAST 128gb, because im trying to put myself in other peoples positions, not eveyone has the same luxury as some of us. 64 to 128gb is a massive improvement for a ssd, its not a storage drive we r talking about here.
For your last quote: i never sayd ssd's increase framerates.
You say al this with the ''prices'' in your mind, you have to put yourself in a position where you should base your opinion on FACTS of technical stuff, not say: Ugh ugh ssd this that meh, prices r to high... Thats just stupid because you clearly did in your last quote.
A gaming pc is NOT a gaming pc without a ssd, thats final.
Also 1 other thing there bro.
Your second quote:
Why buy a small SSD to install Windows and a large mechanical to install all your programs and games? You certainly won't be loading those apps or games any quicker.
Now your last quote:
An ssd hardly defines what kind of system you have. It'll give you quicker boots, app/game loads, etc
Now looking at those 2 quotes i say, with ''mechanical'' i hope to god you ment to say a storage hdd/regulair NOn ssd. because if not then im going to coontinue laughing my ass of if you wil excuse me for a moment.
I meen, dude we are talkign facts here, your argument is truely INVALID here, because you are putting up your opinion against a FACT. Thats like saying, ''There is no water in the world...'' Ye i know waaaaay off example, but trying to give you an idea on how you come over toords me when you say what you say
I put together a package at Newegg that should suit your needs. Can probably be improved a bit but it's a good start.
If you need a DVD burner you can swap the HD to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299 which includes one for free
English doesn't seem to be your first language, which is ok and is probably why you don't understand what I'm saying here. But there's no excuse to insult anyone. I'm not sure how saving your money is greedy. At this price-point, an ssd is a luxury, not a necessity.
For the third time....installing the operating system on an ssd and all your programs/games on a mechanical hdd WILL NOT increase the loading speed of those apps because they are still installed on a slower mechanical drive. Your OS will boot up faster and anything on that ssd will be quicker, but anything installed on the mechanical drive will not magically be quicker just because your os is on the ssd.
If you have your os installed on a mechanical drive it will still use the full 10megabit connection, and very easily. 10 megabit is only 1.25 MB/second. While that is speedy for most internet connections, that is terribly slow for any kind of harddrive. As I said, just about any mechanical drive you buy these days will at least hit 66 MB/s. I have 12megabit and routinely hit the max on a computer with a mechanical hdd.
I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying...
You have to consider price, as not everyone can afford an SSD so it won't even be an option for them. You mention facts, but you have yet to use any. In fact, most of your claims are devoid of any facts. Feel free to link resources to back up your claims.
You'll need to expand on this comment, as it's silly without an explanation. A ssd doesn't offer increased fps or any improvement at all once the game is running. If a game is installed on an ssd you'll decrease your loading time by a few seconds, that's it. After that, your gaming experience on a hdd is the same as an ssd. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone else who agrees with your definition of a gaming pc.
What else would I be talking about....
Please post links to these "facts" you keep talking about. Frankly, I still don't think you understand my original statement, despite going into detail twice.
Oh i understand you very wel dont worry about that, i wish i diddent so it would explain your lack of knowledge regarding PC's in general.
Your first comment is 100% an opinion that manny share, but by far not al, wich is the reason it is an opinion and NOT a fact. I for example consider it a necessity, what are we talking here, a lousy 200 dollars ?.
Your second quote: I agree 100%, but know that some peoples definition of a ''mechanical '' hdd, is a second or third ssd
Regarding the internet connection part: Let me get this str8, because i am done with this part, im just mindblown. If someone would give you a free SSD, would you take it and install your os on it ? Say yes or no, just yes or no, and i would know inough.
What you sayd, AFTER what i sayd.
You have to consider price, as not everyone can afford an SSD so it won't even be an option for them.
What i sayd BEFOR what you sayd.
im trying to put myself in other peoples positions, not eveyone has the same luxury as some of us
So tell me what kinds of ''facts'' you want me to link about the way YOU are thinking?
There is no linkin in that mate, the way you are thinking is by looking @ the prices and THEN giving your opinion about the ssd, you need to look @ EVERYTHING else befor the price, after al no body is forcing you to buy it, i can imagin your friend asking you for advise about a ssd that HE is willing to buy, but you give him negative advise just because YOU think they are expensive.. Seriously fuck that, you can buy a PC? You can afford internet connection from your provider ? You can afford to buy games ? But noooooo you cant do ssd's? Im sorry i gues its just me missing the logic here.
Regarding the sixth quote.
I dont need to expand shit on that, thats the beauty of a opinion.
'' A ssd doesn't offer increased fps or any improvement at all once the game is running. If a game is installed on an ssd you'll decrease your loading time by a few seconds, that's it. After that, your gaming experience on a hdd is the same as an ssd''
Your saying that asif you dont care about faster loading times...If you ask me, it is a good thing to have in a gaming pc
Regarding your last quote:
There is absolutely no need to repeat yourself for the third time, because i dont agree with you, that does not meen i cant understand what you are saying.
Again, what do you want me to link ? You want me to link on how a ssd is better then a hdd ?
Cmon man get for real here.
From what I understand, the person never said he would only install windows on the SSD. Both of you went from one assumption to another and started going at each other. Also, there are some misunderstandings between both of you but you are unable to see it as you are way into the thick.
64GB SSD is more than enough for OS, apps and games. I have BF3, Skyrim and Prototype installed on mine. It is around 54GB.
You could mention for those that don't know is that the performance of your SSD will decrease the less space it has left and that is when it is closing in to full (90%). This is why I would always recommend a ~120GB SSD but if saving that amount would mean that you would make your budget or get a better graphic card, then I would go for the latter. We all know that we only need enough space for OS and D3.
SSD is a great upgrade/buy if you can afford it. End of.
Current OS space requirements + 1 and 1/2 times RAM for the paging file + disk space for 3 years estimated patches + space need for upgrade (if you plan on upgrading to the next version of the OS.)
At least that is how you estimate needed space on a server. Windows 7 (C:\Windows directory) takes about 30GB of space, if you have say 8GB RAM then tack on another 12 GB for the page file, and the one that gets people the most is amount of space needed for Windows updates over time. I typically tack on another 100GB for good measure that covers that plus upgrade space IF that is the path that is wanted for the next version of the OS.