Absolutely. Children should decide on their philosophy on their own.
Please consider what your saying. Children dont do much for themselves. Their parents do everything for them, provide shelter, food, and teach them morals. It is the parents duty to teach their child morality. What is the best way to do this? through the parents own religion people have been raised. Children do not understand a lot about religion and all of these things and dont even begin to understand until MAYBE teen years if they're lucky. so please dont tell me that if you had a kid you would put a bunch of religions and maybe a biology book in front of a kid and say "you need to pick one for yourself!" No you dont, its your child you can teach it w/e the hell you want, It is also a parents RIGHT to teach it w/e the parent thinks is the best thing for their child. The parent is responsible, not the child, its the parents right to raise their children to the best of their ability in any way they choose so dont sit there and say children are brainwashed into religion. Its not brainwashing its called raising children! Its a natural process, its what humans do during their offspring's childhood.
If you really think that a child can honestly make a conscious, intelligent decision on something that major then you are delusional, once they reach a certain age if they truly desire to know they can then go on their own journey to discovering who they are, but up until that point it is the job of the parent to give them a good foundation on which to take this journey.
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I have found myself more and more making my own religion as I get older. I am only 20, but this subject is something I think about quite frequently. Do I believe there is a god?....that I can't say. I do believe in a after life though, I believe in ghost, spirits, you know, the supernatural stuff. I do believe in hell in a sense, I believe that if you do wrong, your soul will be tortured forever. I don't picture heaven like it is usually stereotypically pictured...and whether there is a heaven I also question. I think when you die you get choices as to what happens afterwords maybe that is the greatest part of "heaven" you get choices...compared to hell your soul remains stagnant in torture forever and your soul has no choice. What choices you get I don't know...but I believe in reincarnation, so maybe your choices would be something like these: 1) you get to come back as an animal of some sort. 2) Become reborn again as a human. 3) get to chill in "heaven" forever. 4) get to roam the earth as a spirit. All in all when I look at life on this planet I feel like it is just one big proving ground...and the choices you make in this life dictate whether or not you have a say at the end. I don't believe that everything was created in a matter of days. Was it all created by a super being? maybe, but Not likely...unless gods name is "dark matter". This is all my opinion and what I believe, I am sure my theories and beliefs will change over time as I learn more.
Please consider what your saying. Children dont do much for themselves.
That mentality is a sign of very bad parenting. Children are highly intelligent, and they listen, and they learn. The reason children behave how they behave is their environment.
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Their parents do everything for them, provide shelter, food, and teach them morals. It is the parents duty to teach their child morality. What is the best way to do this? through the parents own religion people have been raised.
You can't teach a child morality by the principle of "God says so". You can't say "this is good, this is bad" and think the child will understand. You can't say that your belief is correct and everything else is not. That's bad parenting. That's pushing your opinion on a child not yet developed. That's regarding him as an idiot who cannot speak for himself. That results in children not giving shit about what their parents tell them, in teens that do everything against the regular order.
It's like a smoking parent saying "Don't smoke". It's not going to work. Nobody is perfect, neither is the parent, neither is the child, and morals can only be offered, they cannot be pushed on, they cannot be enforced. They can only be demonstrated and explained. If a child doesn't understand why causing others pain is bad, cause him pain. If he doesn't understand what hunger is, make him hungry.
Religion is empty. It says "don't do" without explaining why. No normal child will go for this, unless they are zombies that can be easily brainwashed by anything.
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Children do not understand a lot about religion and all of these things and dont even begin to understand until MAYBE teen years if they're lucky.
Exactly. So don't bring religion up until the children are able to comprehend it and understand it completely.
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so please dont tell me that if you had a kid you would put a bunch of religions and maybe a biology book in front of a kid and say "you need to pick one for yourself!"
Uhh, no. If he wants to go learn a religion, he can do it on his own. I odn't want anything clouding up his mind. I'll tell him what I think, and why I think it, and he may follow it or he may not.
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No you dont, its your child you can teach it w/e the hell you want, It is also a parents RIGHT to teach it w/e the parent thinks is the best thing for their child. The parent is responsible, not the child, its the parents right to raise their children to the best of their ability in any way they choose so dont sit there and say children are brainwashed into religion. Its not brainwashing its called raising children! Its a natural process, its what humans do during their offspring's childhood.
There is nothing more dangerous than blind love to your child. It makes them spoiled. You give your kid everything he thinks it will always be that way. You explain how everything is to him by God, he comes out into the real world, and realizes it's all 100x times worse than you told him, how's he going to regard you?
You need to teach him REALITY. Religion is very far from it. Teach him what, why, when people do what they do. People teach their children the most random idiotic things. Is it best for your child to eat at McDonalds? Is it best for your child to bully other children? Is it best for your child to love football just because you love football? Is it good that they
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If you really think that a child can honestly make a conscious, intelligent decision on something that major then you are delusional
You're the one who's delusional. Children are not idiots. They understand and remember everything, worse of, remember, and they'll remember every thing that you told them, even if they only understand it later, and trust me, all that lies are not going to do any good. I guess you don't remember what you were like as a child.
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once they reach a certain age if they truly desire to know they can then go on their own journey to discovering who they are, but up until that point it is the job of the parent to give them a good foundation on which to take this journey.
How can you tell a child that has been believing in God for 16 years off your whim, and now you tell him: "You are free to think what you want". That's not going to work, buddy.
Please consider what your saying. Children dont do much for themselves. Their parents do everything for them, provide shelter, food, and teach them morals. It is the parents duty to teach their child morality. What is the best way to do this? through the parents own religion people have been raised. Children do not understand a lot about religion and all of these things and dont even begin to understand until MAYBE teen years if they're lucky. so please dont tell me that if you had a kid you would put a bunch of religions and maybe a biology book in front of a kid and say "you need to pick one for yourself!" No you dont, its your child you can teach it w/e the hell you want, It is also a parents RIGHT to teach it w/e the parent thinks is the best thing for their child. The parent is responsible, not the child, its the parents right to raise their children to the best of their ability in any way they choose so dont sit there and say children are brainwashed into religion. Its not brainwashing its called raising children! Its a natural process, its what humans do during their offspring's childhood.
If you really think that a child can honestly make a conscious, intelligent decision on something that major then you are delusional, once they reach a certain age if they truly desire to know they can then go on their own journey to discovering who they are, but up until that point it is the job of the parent to give them a good foundation on which to take this journey.
I'm talking about supposedly "neutral" educational places, like public schools, public colleges, etc. where if you don't believe what they believe, you're passed off as a zealot, psychotically deranged, etc. just because you have new ideas or believe in old ones that the main stream public does not. This is stupid and narrow-minded and needs to be eliminated. If I remember correctly, Roman philosophers generally were brought up learning from all kinds of sources from unbiased standards, including the various religions and cultures of their conquered territories. When I say "unbiased", I don't mean unbiased as it is viewed today- with scientific view being the only "unbiased" view of it, I'm talking just laying down the information, providing examples and information, and perhaps teaching, from people who believe or work in these various ways, and such.
Liberal and conservative views need to both be taught in unbiased unison for a real education- otherwise people aren't making decisions- they're just believing what they're taught because it's all they're being taught and they don't want to look like a psycho for thinking outside the norm.
That mentality is a sign of very bad parenting. Children are highly intelligent, and they listen, and they learn. The reason children behave how they behave is their environment.
You can't teach a child morality by the principle of "God says so". You can't say "this is good, this is bad" and think the child will understand. You can't say that your belief is correct and everything else is not. That's bad parenting. That's pushing your opinion on a child not yet developed. That's regarding him as an idiot who cannot speak for himself. That results in children not giving shit about what their parents tell them, in teens that do everything against the regular order.
It's like a smoking parent saying "Don't smoke". It's not going to work. Nobody is perfect, neither is the parent, neither is the child, and morals can only be offered, they cannot be pushed on, they cannot be enforced. They can only be demonstrated and explained. If a child doesn't understand why causing others pain is bad, cause him pain. If he doesn't understand what hunger is, make him hungry.
Religion is empty. It says "don't do" without explaining why. No normal child will go for this, unless they are zombies that can be easily brainwashed by anything.
Exactly. So don't bring religion up until the children are able to comprehend it and understand it completely.
Uhh, no. If he wants to go learn a religion, he can do it on his own. I odn't want anything clouding up his mind. I'll tell him what I think, and why I think it, and he may follow it or he may not.
There is nothing more dangerous than blind love to your child. It makes them spoiled. You give your kid everything he thinks it will always be that way. You explain how everything is to him by God, he comes out into the real world, and realizes it's all 100x times worse than you told him, how's he going to regard you?
You need to teach him REALITY. Religion is very far from it. Teach him what, why, when people do what they do. People teach their children the most random idiotic things. Is it best for your child to eat at McDonalds? Is it best for your child to bully other children? Is it best for your child to love football just because you love football? Is it good that they
You're the one who's delusional. Children are not idiots. They understand and remember everything, worse of, remember, and they'll remember every thing that you told them, even if they only understand it later, and trust me, all that lies are not going to do any good. I guess you don't remember what you were like as a child.
How can you tell a child that has been believing in God for 16 years off your whim, and now you tell him: "You are free to think what you want". That's not going to work, buddy.
Firstly i dont know a parent that forces the teaching of religion to creat morality. the parent if religious is supposed to use what they have learned and apply it and set a damn good example. And yes the bible gives tons of examples to why to do something and why something is right and why something else is wrong.
Maybe you were a genius child but i certainly was not. i needed guidance, i once stole from a relative and didn't understand that it was bad when i was like 3 and i was told why it was bad and i havn't stolen since. I can honestly say compared to my level of intelligence today i was a retard as a child and im still not smart enough to make such a decision in my own opinion. Children DO get their morals from their parents by example and explanation. If the parent says one thing and then actually DOES that thing and gives a good example then it will have a positive effect on the child.
And i dont think it is wise to say, dont show them religion until they can understand it. you need to decide, do you want your child to be religious or atheist, because with the education system if you dont get to your child then biologists will, and they will suck up all that information and treat it as non arguable fact and then there would be one more atheist. But if you raise a kid in a religion they can choose whether to believe in it or not.
You cant expect a child to not make their own decisions, after 16 years they will make their own assumptions about the belief whether you like it or not but during their childhood you may have given them good advice and guidance courtesy of some religion.
I dont think it is brainwash any more than siting in school being force fed evolution. And it is certainly not as brainwashy as siting in kindergarten and being forced to say the pledge of allegiance. can you imagine that? being forced to pledge yourself to a country that has done things, horrible things you dont even understand? i got a referral once for not standing for the pledge and i was scared out of my mind because i was like 6, that is brain wash.
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King Henry the Eighth was the king who created the Anglican church (church of England) to make it legal to divorce a wife for her inability to produce him with a male heir.
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Why would it represent catholics? the only reason i could see for this would be the church's domination of the fish market, "dont eat mean on fridays!eat fish" and then the catholic church would get loaded from the fish market rofl.
No, as I already said, the fish is a symbol for the constellation Pisces (meaning 'fish' in Latin). At 0AD/BC the earth aligned itself with the constellation Pisces and it will still be aligned until 2150 AD, where the Earth will be aligned with Aquarius. So Moses got his ram's horn, Jesus got his fish, and the next prophet will be a man holding a jug of water.
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King Henry the Eighth was the king who created the Anglican church (church of England) to make it legal to divorce a wife for her inability to produce him with a male heir.
No, as I already said, the fish is a symbol for the constellation Pisces (meaning 'fish' in Latin). At 0AD/BC the earth aligned itself with the constellation Pisces and it will still be aligned until 2150 AD, where the Earth will be aligned with Aquarius. So Moses got his ram's horn, Jesus got his fish, and the next prophet will be a man holding a jug of water.
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Exactly, we are being to liberal with the meaning of brainwash, i think the term is being used to describe everything today.
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As opposed to be force fed the Germ Theory, or Gravity or the Atomic theory?
Yes, exactly. They/we should be allowed to freely study anything, and should be forced* to study a little bit of everything. It's stupid that we all have to pay taxes to a school system that doesn't even teach things we agree with. That's stupid- it's an error in the "for the people, by the people" thing. Every idea, no matter how ridiculous or outlandish, should be taught with out condescension- that's the only way to keep everyone truly open-minded and make people make decisions, not just believe because they want to fit in or because it's all they're taught.
* Yes, I say forced. Any why, you ask? If they are being forced to learn a little of every field in equal amounts, then they are not being brainwashed.
I don't see how teaching the most current scientific explanation for anything is brainwashing
You seem to be missing the point: BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ENCOURAGED TO LEARN ANYTHING ELSE! BECAUSE THEY ARE FORCED TO BELIEVE IT UNDER SCRUTINY OF FELLOW CLASSMATES, TEACHERS, AND ALL OF SOCIETY! BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE WHAT IS POPULAR TO THE PUBLIC, THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY LABELED A RELIGIOUS ZEALOT OR PSYCHO!
And i dont think it is wise to say, dont show them religion until they can understand it. you need to decide, do you want your child to be religious or atheist, because with the education system if you dont get to your child then biologists will, and they will suck up all that information and treat it as non arguable fact and then there would be one more atheist. But if you raise a kid in a religion they can choose whether to believe in it or not.
Oh, please. At first I was little I kinda believed in God because everyone around me did but I didn't give it much thought. I read a lot of encyclopedias and eventually I came across evolution. I really liked the concept and started exploring it. After exploring it I felt it wasn't concrete enough, I became, uhh, well someone who doesn't know if God exists and doesn't realy go much on the subject. Eventually, I started thinking about religion and I ended up being a deist. I currently can sway anywhere except organized religion. I am 17. This all happened between ages 10 and 15, mostly.
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I dont think it is brainwash any more than siting in school being force fed evolution. And it is certainly not as brainwashy as siting in kindergarten and being forced to say the pledge of allegiance. can you imagine that? being forced to pledge yourself to a country that has done things, horrible things you dont even understand? i got a referral once for not standing for the pledge and i was scared out of my mind because i was like 6, that is brain wash.
I hate that as well. But that is outside influence. A parent should explain to his child what is propaganda, and what is linguistic programming, so that the child can distinguish lie from truth, and doubt everything he sees instead of believing all he sees. I was told by my parents that the world will try to cheat you, and I hardly believed anyone and mostly I did things slowly, and I hid my beliefs inside, as I was forced to do over and over again, and which most people are forced to do these days - keep what they think inside. That's why I am very fond of material on the media. It's the core of our destruction and misguiding.
There is a difference between teaching morality and teaching religion. Religion is too complex. Morality is not. Bible contradicts itself, it cannot be used for teaching in entirety. Every church has its set of rules, and if you were religious you'd follow them. Such as baptising, circumcutting, and other crap. You shouldn't do that to your child.
Yes, exactly. They/we should be allowed to freely study anything, and should be forced* to study a little bit of everything. It's stupid that we all have to pay taxes to a school system that doesn't even teach things we agree with. That's stupid- it's an error in the "for the people, by the people" thing. Every idea, no matter how ridiculous or outlandish, should be taught with out condescension- that's the only way to keep everyone truly open-minded and make people make decisions, not just believe because they want to fit in or because it's all they're taught.
* Yes, I say forced. Any why, you ask? If they are being forced to learn a little of every field in equal amounts, then they are not being brainwashed.
You seem to be missing the point: BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ENCOURAGED TO LEARN ANYTHING ELSE! BECAUSE THEY ARE FORCED TO BELIEVE IT UNDER SCRUTINY OF FELLOW CLASSMATES, TEACHERS, AND ALL OF SOCIETY! BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE WHAT IS POPULAR TO THE PUBLIC, THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY LABELED A RELIGIOUS ZEALOT OR PSYCHO!
I think I see what you mean, correct me if I'm wrong.
So, anyone can present a hypothesis and it should be taught along side the leading theory?
Question is: where the heck did the Bible come from?
I believe the Bible is mostly what it claims to be, as in it was written by prophets of old, but over the years has been altered by those seeking gain,
thus, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly;"
"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own consience, and allow all men the same privilege let them worship how, where or what they may."
(sorry the second quote was off topic, as in the topic of the quote)
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Schools have just as much a right to teach the children Scientology as Christianity. Religion should be kept out of schools, period.
In your narrow-minded, closed-boxed opinion, sure why not. I'm not saying that just Christianity needs to be taught. I'm saying everything needs to be- Buddhism, Transcendental Meditation, Taoism, New age, everything- all of it needs to be taught for truly open-minded people who make their own decisions.
So, anyone can present a hypothesis and it should be taught along side the leading theory?
Yep, anyone. Any idea. It should all be given equal value as a thought and ideal. At no point should anyone be coerced in to believing anything, but they should be taught all of it, and properly and without bias.
Just thought I'd add this quote to the discussion.
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it... I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism..."
Schools have just as much a right to teach the children Scientology as Christianity. Religion should be kept out of schools, period.
Very true, and so should evolution.if your not going to teach one side then dont teach the other, i dont care how much they contrast each other and how different evolution is and how its not like religon and blah blah blah, if your not going to teach one believe dont teach another, if your going to teach one belief then teach another.
Equinox i understand your points about how you researched those things yourself but from the ages 3 to 9 there needs to be someone who hollds your hand through things.
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Please consider what your saying. Children dont do much for themselves. Their parents do everything for them, provide shelter, food, and teach them morals. It is the parents duty to teach their child morality. What is the best way to do this? through the parents own religion people have been raised. Children do not understand a lot about religion and all of these things and dont even begin to understand until MAYBE teen years if they're lucky. so please dont tell me that if you had a kid you would put a bunch of religions and maybe a biology book in front of a kid and say "you need to pick one for yourself!" No you dont, its your child you can teach it w/e the hell you want, It is also a parents RIGHT to teach it w/e the parent thinks is the best thing for their child. The parent is responsible, not the child, its the parents right to raise their children to the best of their ability in any way they choose so dont sit there and say children are brainwashed into religion. Its not brainwashing its called raising children! Its a natural process, its what humans do during their offspring's childhood.
If you really think that a child can honestly make a conscious, intelligent decision on something that major then you are delusional, once they reach a certain age if they truly desire to know they can then go on their own journey to discovering who they are, but up until that point it is the job of the parent to give them a good foundation on which to take this journey.
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You can't teach a child morality by the principle of "God says so". You can't say "this is good, this is bad" and think the child will understand. You can't say that your belief is correct and everything else is not. That's bad parenting. That's pushing your opinion on a child not yet developed. That's regarding him as an idiot who cannot speak for himself. That results in children not giving shit about what their parents tell them, in teens that do everything against the regular order.
It's like a smoking parent saying "Don't smoke". It's not going to work. Nobody is perfect, neither is the parent, neither is the child, and morals can only be offered, they cannot be pushed on, they cannot be enforced. They can only be demonstrated and explained. If a child doesn't understand why causing others pain is bad, cause him pain. If he doesn't understand what hunger is, make him hungry.
Religion is empty. It says "don't do" without explaining why. No normal child will go for this, unless they are zombies that can be easily brainwashed by anything.
Exactly. So don't bring religion up until the children are able to comprehend it and understand it completely.
Uhh, no. If he wants to go learn a religion, he can do it on his own. I odn't want anything clouding up his mind. I'll tell him what I think, and why I think it, and he may follow it or he may not.
There is nothing more dangerous than blind love to your child. It makes them spoiled. You give your kid everything he thinks it will always be that way. You explain how everything is to him by God, he comes out into the real world, and realizes it's all 100x times worse than you told him, how's he going to regard you?
You need to teach him REALITY. Religion is very far from it. Teach him what, why, when people do what they do. People teach their children the most random idiotic things. Is it best for your child to eat at McDonalds? Is it best for your child to bully other children? Is it best for your child to love football just because you love football? Is it good that they
You're the one who's delusional. Children are not idiots. They understand and remember everything, worse of, remember, and they'll remember every thing that you told them, even if they only understand it later, and trust me, all that lies are not going to do any good. I guess you don't remember what you were like as a child.
How can you tell a child that has been believing in God for 16 years off your whim, and now you tell him: "You are free to think what you want". That's not going to work, buddy.
I'm talking about supposedly "neutral" educational places, like public schools, public colleges, etc. where if you don't believe what they believe, you're passed off as a zealot, psychotically deranged, etc. just because you have new ideas or believe in old ones that the main stream public does not. This is stupid and narrow-minded and needs to be eliminated. If I remember correctly, Roman philosophers generally were brought up learning from all kinds of sources from unbiased standards, including the various religions and cultures of their conquered territories. When I say "unbiased", I don't mean unbiased as it is viewed today- with scientific view being the only "unbiased" view of it, I'm talking just laying down the information, providing examples and information, and perhaps teaching, from people who believe or work in these various ways, and such.
Liberal and conservative views need to both be taught in unbiased unison for a real education- otherwise people aren't making decisions- they're just believing what they're taught because it's all they're being taught and they don't want to look like a psycho for thinking outside the norm.
Firstly i dont know a parent that forces the teaching of religion to creat morality. the parent if religious is supposed to use what they have learned and apply it and set a damn good example. And yes the bible gives tons of examples to why to do something and why something is right and why something else is wrong.
Maybe you were a genius child but i certainly was not. i needed guidance, i once stole from a relative and didn't understand that it was bad when i was like 3 and i was told why it was bad and i havn't stolen since. I can honestly say compared to my level of intelligence today i was a retard as a child and im still not smart enough to make such a decision in my own opinion. Children DO get their morals from their parents by example and explanation. If the parent says one thing and then actually DOES that thing and gives a good example then it will have a positive effect on the child.
And i dont think it is wise to say, dont show them religion until they can understand it. you need to decide, do you want your child to be religious or atheist, because with the education system if you dont get to your child then biologists will, and they will suck up all that information and treat it as non arguable fact and then there would be one more atheist. But if you raise a kid in a religion they can choose whether to believe in it or not.
You cant expect a child to not make their own decisions, after 16 years they will make their own assumptions about the belief whether you like it or not but during their childhood you may have given them good advice and guidance courtesy of some religion.
I dont think it is brainwash any more than siting in school being force fed evolution. And it is certainly not as brainwashy as siting in kindergarten and being forced to say the pledge of allegiance. can you imagine that? being forced to pledge yourself to a country that has done things, horrible things you dont even understand? i got a referral once for not standing for the pledge and i was scared out of my mind because i was like 6, that is brain wash.
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No, as I already said, the fish is a symbol for the constellation Pisces (meaning 'fish' in Latin). At 0AD/BC the earth aligned itself with the constellation Pisces and it will still be aligned until 2150 AD, where the Earth will be aligned with Aquarius. So Moses got his ram's horn, Jesus got his fish, and the next prophet will be a man holding a jug of water.
As opposed to be force fed the Germ Theory, or Gravity or the Atomic theory?
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Exactly, we are being to liberal with the meaning of brainwash, i think the term is being used to describe everything today.
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Yes, exactly. They/we should be allowed to freely study anything, and should be forced* to study a little bit of everything. It's stupid that we all have to pay taxes to a school system that doesn't even teach things we agree with. That's stupid- it's an error in the "for the people, by the people" thing. Every idea, no matter how ridiculous or outlandish, should be taught with out condescension- that's the only way to keep everyone truly open-minded and make people make decisions, not just believe because they want to fit in or because it's all they're taught.
* Yes, I say forced. Any why, you ask? If they are being forced to learn a little of every field in equal amounts, then they are not being brainwashed.
You seem to be missing the point: BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ENCOURAGED TO LEARN ANYTHING ELSE! BECAUSE THEY ARE FORCED TO BELIEVE IT UNDER SCRUTINY OF FELLOW CLASSMATES, TEACHERS, AND ALL OF SOCIETY! BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE WHAT IS POPULAR TO THE PUBLIC, THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY LABELED A RELIGIOUS ZEALOT OR PSYCHO!
I hate that as well. But that is outside influence. A parent should explain to his child what is propaganda, and what is linguistic programming, so that the child can distinguish lie from truth, and doubt everything he sees instead of believing all he sees. I was told by my parents that the world will try to cheat you, and I hardly believed anyone and mostly I did things slowly, and I hid my beliefs inside, as I was forced to do over and over again, and which most people are forced to do these days - keep what they think inside. That's why I am very fond of material on the media. It's the core of our destruction and misguiding.
There is a difference between teaching morality and teaching religion. Religion is too complex. Morality is not. Bible contradicts itself, it cannot be used for teaching in entirety. Every church has its set of rules, and if you were religious you'd follow them. Such as baptising, circumcutting, and other crap. You shouldn't do that to your child.
I think I see what you mean, correct me if I'm wrong.
So, anyone can present a hypothesis and it should be taught along side the leading theory?
thus, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly;"
"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own consience, and allow all men the same privilege let them worship how, where or what they may."
(sorry the second quote was off topic, as in the topic of the quote)
Where there is truth, he must find.
Where there is destruction, he must rebuild.
Where there is love, he must protect."
World's Fair Exhibit
"God gave us memories, that in life's garden we may have June roses in December."
John Barrie
In your narrow-minded, closed-boxed opinion, sure why not. I'm not saying that just Christianity needs to be taught. I'm saying everything needs to be- Buddhism, Transcendental Meditation, Taoism, New age, everything- all of it needs to be taught for truly open-minded people who make their own decisions.
Yep, anyone. Any idea. It should all be given equal value as a thought and ideal. At no point should anyone be coerced in to believing anything, but they should be taught all of it, and properly and without bias.
Albert Einstein
Very true, and so should evolution.if your not going to teach one side then dont teach the other, i dont care how much they contrast each other and how different evolution is and how its not like religon and blah blah blah, if your not going to teach one believe dont teach another, if your going to teach one belief then teach another.
Equinox i understand your points about how you researched those things yourself but from the ages 3 to 9 there needs to be someone who hollds your hand through things.
-Equinox
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