I think you hate organized religion. Christianity itsef is a belief, it isn't hurting anyone, but when you organize it and try to turn monatery profit, try to gather others to your belief, or use your belief to justify your actions (such as the crusades), then it becomes something really bad.
I myself am Christian in my heart, despite my mind telling me that I should believe a very general outlook on religion. The general outlook would be to look at each religion across the world and see similarities, such as the great flood that is repeated in many religions, the very similar saviors, and other repeated events, but deep down I feel that for the most part the Bible is right, so that would make me a Christian.
Although I actually pray to God, not Jesus, believing that they are one, Jesus only being his mortal form on Earth.
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Try making your own Leap Of Faith... You might save more than just your life.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
I think you hate organized religion. Christianity itsef is a belief, it isn't hurting anyone, but when you organize it and try to turn monatery profit, try to gather others to your belief, or use your belief to justify your actions (such as the crusades), then it becomes something really bad.
It's not organized religon. I have no issue with the Jewish or Muslim religon. It's just the "I'm right, your wrong, get over it." thing. It's like something a 5 year old would say.
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I myself am Christian in my heart, despite my mind telling me that I should believe a very general outlook on religion. The general outlook would be to look at each religion across the world and see similarities, such as the great flood that is repeated in many religions, the very similar saviors, and other repeated events, but deep down I feel that for the most part the Bible is right, so that would make me a Christian.
Oh I think that for the most part the Bible is right for it's path. But I believe there are lots of paths to the same destination. Heaven, Nirvana, Summerlands, it's all the same place and we all get there the same way. Just choosing the train(Quran) or bus(Bible) or plane(Rede) or anything else.
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Although I actually pray to God, not Jesus, believing that they are one, Jesus only being his mortal form on Earth.
Oh I think that for the most part the Bible is right for it's path. But I believe there are lots of paths to the same destination. Heaven, Nirvana, Summerlands, it's all the same place and we all get there the same way. Just choosing the train(Quran) or bus(Bible) or plane(Rede) or anything else.
such as the great flood that is repeated in many religions
I'm pretty sure that this flood appears in all countries in the middle east and the flood was proven to have happened at one point and created what is become know as the Dead Sea.
I am an atheist. I was born in a Christian family but once I began to think on my own I could see that there is no logic in religion. Most people are religious because their parents taught them to be so. A child will believe basically anything it hears from its parents, this is a fact. This is the way religious fanatics are created, willing to take their life for their so called god.
I believe the same.
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Organized Religion is a joke. Enough said.
No, it is not.
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It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
What you believe expresses what you want to be true.
Believing in a God may be a simple way to say, well it was God's will, that's why it happened or God made it that way. It's a quick, simple explaination.
Believing that there is no God lets you say, well that's how it happened, exactly that way, no other way, there is an exact reason for it. It is searching more for an answer and is much more complicated.
That does not make believers in God lazy or wanting to pass the torch of blame to another. They simply see the possibility that they are not entirely control, that things are as they are and that's how they will be.
Some people are afraid of there being a God, afraid that they aren't masters of their own lives and that there is something they can't really explain. Others are afraid that there isn't really a God, they want there to be a heaven, an afterlife, and a reason for why things are.
A person can say that God has abandoned us or never existed because of what is going on in the world. There are people starving, suffering, and dying. There are wars, diseases, and murderers. What kind of loving God would allow this they ask?
Yet we also fail to see that perhaps God is sending answers. It is said many times in the Bible that God will not openly show himself to us, causing us to have actual faith without reason, making our belief in him more concrete because we don't need proof. So how could God solve these problems without just making everything right immediately?
We have doctors, policemen, scientists, and so on. Many people who each day try to stop wars, prevent starvation, fight disease, and solve all those other problems. Why can't these people be the answers to so many prayers? I think that the miraculous discoveries that people have made while helping others is enough proof of God. (if your not accepting the fact that from Aztecs to Muslims to Buddhist to Christians all having many similarities in there religions)
On the other hand someone can look at these people and what they have done, then simply say, that was their job, they were smart, they did it themselves with no guidance. This could be true, but whenever I do something that I find amazing in a way that I can't explain, then I feel there is something that guided me.
Throughout my life I have done things (while small to the world but large to me) that is enough proof of God in my life. Perhaps another person can look at their life and see these things as luck. I respect everyones beliefs in their religion. Surely something in their lives has caused them to believe as they do, and that is their right to believe.
I agree that forcing religion upon some one and saying, OOO LOOK I'M RIGHT!!! is wrong. Very wrong actually. I apologize if it seemed I did that here. I know a number of christians that would push their religion, but that is because they belong to a church that pushes it very strongly on them, like catholic. That once again is organized religion, where they tell you that you must come to church AT LEAST once a week, during that time they might as well take a hammer and nail the bible in through your ear.
If this was forced into you since you were young (with no option to change because of how extremist your parents are) then you would be very adament in your faith too and would want to always express how this faith is right, even if it means saying so all the time to everyone at moments when it is really not needed. The fact that people constantly say it could be more to reassure themselves than to preach to someone else.
That is how I blame organized religion for your dislike of religions like christianity where only those radical believers pushing their faith are talked about.
It's important to know of the different religions, to know how things are believed by others, but I don't believe any religion should be pushed as the truth. All religions are an interpretation, and your belief is your own interpretation that you come to from events of your life and what you have read, heard, or seen.
When I have kids I plan on introducing them to religion, probably a christian religion, but I will not push it on them. They may have to go to a type of church once or twice a year, but that is only to make sure they understand that religion exists and that this is one example. Once they get older they can have a choice in religion, what they believe I will not care, for it is their belief.
Alot of that may have been irrelevant, but I hope it explains why some may dislike christians and help to understand reasons behind deisms and atheist or at least why I believe as I do.
Once again I hope it didn't seem that I pushed christianity or my own interpretation.
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Only once they understand will they know what the truth really is.
This is my Tale.
Try making your own Leap Of Faith... You might save more than just your life.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
Yea, I'm with Tale. That's basically how I feel. You can take everything how you want. As well, I feel that some aspects of my life have been proof that there is a god, but to me alone they have proved them.
I'm dissapointed in you not putting, Atheism as a choice *shakes head* Even though it doesn't have a " god or high being " to believe in, it's still considered a religion.
i was born catholic, but too much flaws soo rlly too young to be making decisions on wat religion i am..
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Unfortunately, religion isn't a decision. If you decide what religion you are then that's chosing your beliefs. If you chose your beliefs you don't really believe in them. I was born and raised catholics but I had too many questions that too many people couldn't answer without immediately going to "It all comes down to faith" which annoyed me. The people who say "You don't need proof when the 'lord' fills you with faith" are the people that made me the way I am. The phrase 'Faith Seeking Understanding' is used a lot at my school. I'd rather have understanding than faith, I don't know about the rest of you.
The poll isnt very good... Theres 15 people voted for 'other'
An admin should change the thread title to "Beliefs..." and add Agnostic and Atheist
And separate Christian into 'Protestant Christian' and 'Catholic Christian'
Unfortunately, religion isn't a decision. If you decide what religion you are then that's chosing your beliefs. If you chose your beliefs you don't really believe in them.
really? am i the only one that finds this part funny?
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It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive. Tupac Shakur
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"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
I think you hate organized religion. Christianity itsef is a belief, it isn't hurting anyone, but when you organize it and try to turn monatery profit, try to gather others to your belief, or use your belief to justify your actions (such as the crusades), then it becomes something really bad.
I myself am Christian in my heart, despite my mind telling me that I should believe a very general outlook on religion. The general outlook would be to look at each religion across the world and see similarities, such as the great flood that is repeated in many religions, the very similar saviors, and other repeated events, but deep down I feel that for the most part the Bible is right, so that would make me a Christian.
Although I actually pray to God, not Jesus, believing that they are one, Jesus only being his mortal form on Earth.
This is my Tale.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
It's not organized religon. I have no issue with the Jewish or Muslim religon. It's just the "I'm right, your wrong, get over it." thing. It's like something a 5 year old would say.
Oh I think that for the most part the Bible is right for it's path. But I believe there are lots of paths to the same destination. Heaven, Nirvana, Summerlands, it's all the same place and we all get there the same way. Just choosing the train(Quran) or bus(Bible) or plane(Rede) or anything else.
Cool.
Nirvana?
I miss Kurt Cobain
Yes, so follow your own advice.
Some unbiased statements right there.:D
I believe the same.
No, it is not.
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
Believing in a God may be a simple way to say, well it was God's will, that's why it happened or God made it that way. It's a quick, simple explaination.
Believing that there is no God lets you say, well that's how it happened, exactly that way, no other way, there is an exact reason for it. It is searching more for an answer and is much more complicated.
That does not make believers in God lazy or wanting to pass the torch of blame to another. They simply see the possibility that they are not entirely control, that things are as they are and that's how they will be.
Some people are afraid of there being a God, afraid that they aren't masters of their own lives and that there is something they can't really explain. Others are afraid that there isn't really a God, they want there to be a heaven, an afterlife, and a reason for why things are.
A person can say that God has abandoned us or never existed because of what is going on in the world. There are people starving, suffering, and dying. There are wars, diseases, and murderers. What kind of loving God would allow this they ask?
Yet we also fail to see that perhaps God is sending answers. It is said many times in the Bible that God will not openly show himself to us, causing us to have actual faith without reason, making our belief in him more concrete because we don't need proof. So how could God solve these problems without just making everything right immediately?
We have doctors, policemen, scientists, and so on. Many people who each day try to stop wars, prevent starvation, fight disease, and solve all those other problems. Why can't these people be the answers to so many prayers? I think that the miraculous discoveries that people have made while helping others is enough proof of God. (if your not accepting the fact that from Aztecs to Muslims to Buddhist to Christians all having many similarities in there religions)
On the other hand someone can look at these people and what they have done, then simply say, that was their job, they were smart, they did it themselves with no guidance. This could be true, but whenever I do something that I find amazing in a way that I can't explain, then I feel there is something that guided me.
Throughout my life I have done things (while small to the world but large to me) that is enough proof of God in my life. Perhaps another person can look at their life and see these things as luck. I respect everyones beliefs in their religion. Surely something in their lives has caused them to believe as they do, and that is their right to believe.
I agree that forcing religion upon some one and saying, OOO LOOK I'M RIGHT!!! is wrong. Very wrong actually. I apologize if it seemed I did that here. I know a number of christians that would push their religion, but that is because they belong to a church that pushes it very strongly on them, like catholic. That once again is organized religion, where they tell you that you must come to church AT LEAST once a week, during that time they might as well take a hammer and nail the bible in through your ear.
If this was forced into you since you were young (with no option to change because of how extremist your parents are) then you would be very adament in your faith too and would want to always express how this faith is right, even if it means saying so all the time to everyone at moments when it is really not needed. The fact that people constantly say it could be more to reassure themselves than to preach to someone else.
That is how I blame organized religion for your dislike of religions like christianity where only those radical believers pushing their faith are talked about.
It's important to know of the different religions, to know how things are believed by others, but I don't believe any religion should be pushed as the truth. All religions are an interpretation, and your belief is your own interpretation that you come to from events of your life and what you have read, heard, or seen.
When I have kids I plan on introducing them to religion, probably a christian religion, but I will not push it on them. They may have to go to a type of church once or twice a year, but that is only to make sure they understand that religion exists and that this is one example. Once they get older they can have a choice in religion, what they believe I will not care, for it is their belief.
Alot of that may have been irrelevant, but I hope it explains why some may dislike christians and help to understand reasons behind deisms and atheist or at least why I believe as I do.
Once again I hope it didn't seem that I pushed christianity or my own interpretation.
This is my Tale.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
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An admin should change the thread title to "Beliefs..." and add Agnostic and Atheist
And separate Christian into 'Protestant Christian' and 'Catholic Christian'
Like a cat, tied to a stick
really? am i the only one that finds this part funny?
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
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