I said before that the samurai would be the perfect replacement for the zon. Two handed weapon skill tree, a bow skill tree, and a special skill tree with all sorts of oriental goodies. He could use the lightning attacks and fire attacks. His agility is comparable to the zon's. Like I said, perfect.
You could say the same for necros, assassins, and druids. Pre diablo 2 so wtf? The new game will have new cultures and characters. Stop trying to define the world of sanctuary when it hasn't been revealed completely.
You could say the same for necros, assassins, and druids. Pre diablo 2 so wtf? The new game will have new cultures and characters. Stop trying to define the world of sanctuary when it hasn't been revealed completely.
I'm just saying that samurai's doesn't fit into diablo 3, especially the time and just the culture.
nothing about samurai's i love them
and the idea of the amazon/warrior thing with spears.
but to hybrid those two, and announce a class like samurai... eh
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I think you either didnt read my post fully, or just misunderstood.
The point was:
Even ninja are (were) in reality very cool but people think of the Holywood or fancy-anime version of it when they hear it. But even real ninja wouldnt fit Diablo.
The case with samurai is the same, their abilities are often exaggerated (but not as much as ninja). And a serious 'Japanese style' warrior could fit Diablo unlike the ninja.
Why do people just spam 'no' and... 'not at all'? Why dont you try to give a valid reason?
Applesoffury, why doesnt the history of Japan not tie with Diablo?
Why do you even mention the anime ninja/samurai when we are talking about the real stuff?
because the real thing is too boring for a game, the real thing would die in 1 hit, the real thing has no skills or abilities, and the real thing just doesnt fit in.
history of the samurai has nothing to do with fighting demons and that dance...an asian influenced character is very plausible, but for arguments sake, it is not termed 'samurai' because the samurai is a very specific title.
im not saying no to asian themed characters, just not the 'samurai'
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...and the Barbarian doesn't?
I think I understand your view on this, but they don't have to make them über or cliché.
the barbarian is an outrageous class to start with in discussion of the diablo world, the samurai is a very specific and real-life class, we know its limitations.
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history of the samurai has nothing to do with fighting demons and that dance...an asian influenced character is very plausible, but for arguments sake, it is not termed 'samurai' because the samurai is a very specific title.
Pretty sure the same could be said for the 'Amazon' It has several parallels to it's namesake. Female warriors,uses bows and/or javelins, and are called Amazons. Only thing that was truly missing was no men and cutting of their right breast (or was it left?) so that they could wear a quiver properly. Blizzard worked around the breast issue by having the quiver hang from their waist I think. They also made mention of male amazons. Which makes them similar but not the same, even with the same name.
Samurai, Kensai, Kensei, I wish people wouldn't dismiss classes based on name. I would add Ronin to that list but I think that would be a drastic change even for Blizzard. A Ronin is a leaderless samurai who has forsaken his teachings and is about to disembowel himself, or has become a bandit. A better word is Rurouni, which means wandering swordsman.
Anyone know of any Chinese equivalents to the Samurai (or a similar type of warrior), I ask as Xiansai, the area most likely to have a warrior resembling a Samurai, has an 'X' in the name. The Japanese language does not have an 'X' in it, but the Chinese Language does. Just because there is an "asian themed" or asian sounding area does not mean it will be based on just Japan, I would imagine China, Mongolia, and Korean could also provide some inspiration. Let us not forget that the Mongol Empire dwarfed the Roman Empire.
Is it just me or do these items looks slightly oriental?
The one of the left kind of looks like the armor worn by the Emperor Qin in the movie Hero.
I would add thee two, but the use the same item image as the one above and are not as clear either.
Few more weapons too in D2.
Ok so this last one doesn't look oriental, but it's name sure does! Bing Sz Wang
All these asian looking and sounding weapons and places, there has got to be one class coming from that area, but no I do not think it will carry the name Samurai, even though that it is highly likely that said warrior type formed part of the inspiration for the class.
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There are 3 classes remaining, if the "samurai" is more ranged that would leave the mage or heavy caster and your shield guy.
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Again: no simply because some class got to use shields. And a samurai type one would not.
The samurai (as I said before) would most liley replace the amazon as the Two handed/bow user. Im thinking that the gaurds in act two could replace the paladin.
Im thinking that the gaurds in act two could replace the paladin.
I am not so sure about that. I would imagine the Zakarum Inquisitor would replace the Paladin. Similar but not exactly the same. They share a similar look, Black (or dark) skin tone, heavy armor, shields, Scepters, similar skill set (I would imagine they would possess some of the same skills I mean to say), as they both follow the teachings of the Zakarum. But there are several key difference between the two. Such as the Inquisitor's much more stricter following of the teachings, and their general view of others, while the Paladin feels much more compelled to err for lack of a better phrase, shepherd the weak through the valley of darkness, the Inquisitor would only help you if he deemed you worthy, and good luck with that if you are a heathen in his eyes.
I am not doubting your suggestion based on the limited skills we saw the Desert Guard possess (Might, Cleansing, Blessed Aim, Jab), they were mercenaries, which due to game mechanics possess few skills. I just do not find them to be a big class, with a rich lore and history (even if Blizzard had to rewrite it.) They are a local militia made up of the residents of Lut Gohlein.
Oh but I would definitely love to seem to have a larger role. And the Iron Wolves from Act 3. Now there is a Spellsword for you.
But back to a sort of asian warrior type guy. I find it truly sad what Hollywood has done to the perception of what the Samurai or ninja is (or almost any class for that matter). When I think samurai my mind goes to Miyamoto Musashi. He is not some armor clad order following do gooder. He wandered around Japan beating the crud out of supposedly tough masters of martial arts and fighting styles, simply to prove he was as he once put it, "invincible under the sun". Hardly the stereotypical image of a samurai.
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the amazon described in diablo is more mythical than the 'real' amazon, which is widely debated even if she existed.
same goes for all classes, barbs are real, but they dont spin around like tops. but barbs, amazons, and druids are all able to be manipulated to fit within the universe. a samurai is historical, whereas the other classes are much less historical and less fantasized and romanced, also they have an air of mystery around them (maybe not the barb). the samurai is too 'set in stone.'
and the silks of victor is a roman design armor. but im sure the goldskin is of asian influence.
xinsai sounds chinese.
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a samurai is historical, whereas the other classes are much less historical and less fantasized and romanced
Uh the Paladin would seem to negate your point. He is historical. And was prior to D2, quite heavily set in stone, and they like others such as DnD rewrote parts of the character and made it their own. I do not see why the same cannot be done for the samurai, or a class while possessing a different name is in essence the same thing.
--------------- [Q]What is the meaning of 'Rurouni' ?
[A]To be exact, the word 'Rurouni' is not Japanese. This word was made by the author. I think this is a compound word of the following two words.
Rurou : To wander
Ronin : a masterless SAMURAI
I am aware of that yes, but there isn't really another word that does not lead you to Samurai, and the heavy armored soldier type guy. Ronin is close, but it is still a Samurai.
Regardless of the origin and legitimacy of the word, it is a point that other than by the two of us, seems to be never brought up or further discussed. They share the same weapons (mostly swords though) have much more lore and backstory as they are not tied down to their Daimyo or Shogun. The bear much in common with the Warriors of Khaduras, who according to lore sort of just roam the countryside having adventures fighting evil. Sounds like a Rurouni or a wandering swordsman to me.
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Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
Vizerei, pure caster
Ronin, melee+ranged
Cavalier, Melee+caster+auras
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
I'm just saying that samurai's doesn't fit into diablo 3, especially the time and just the culture.
nothing about samurai's i love them
and the idea of the amazon/warrior thing with spears.
but to hybrid those two, and announce a class like samurai... eh
"Everywhere the human soul stands between a hemisphere of light and another of darkness; on the confines of the two everlasting empires, necessity and free will."
-Thomas Carlyle
history of the samurai has nothing to do with fighting demons and that dance...an asian influenced character is very plausible, but for arguments sake, it is not termed 'samurai' because the samurai is a very specific title.
im not saying no to asian themed characters, just not the 'samurai'
the barbarian is an outrageous class to start with in discussion of the diablo world, the samurai is a very specific and real-life class, we know its limitations.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
I agree with this person :rolleyes:
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
Pretty sure the same could be said for the 'Amazon' It has several parallels to it's namesake. Female warriors,uses bows and/or javelins, and are called Amazons. Only thing that was truly missing was no men and cutting of their right breast (or was it left?) so that they could wear a quiver properly. Blizzard worked around the breast issue by having the quiver hang from their waist I think. They also made mention of male amazons. Which makes them similar but not the same, even with the same name.
Samurai, Kensai, Kensei, I wish people wouldn't dismiss classes based on name. I would add Ronin to that list but I think that would be a drastic change even for Blizzard. A Ronin is a leaderless samurai who has forsaken his teachings and is about to disembowel himself, or has become a bandit. A better word is Rurouni, which means wandering swordsman.
Anyone know of any Chinese equivalents to the Samurai (or a similar type of warrior), I ask as Xiansai, the area most likely to have a warrior resembling a Samurai, has an 'X' in the name. The Japanese language does not have an 'X' in it, but the Chinese Language does. Just because there is an "asian themed" or asian sounding area does not mean it will be based on just Japan, I would imagine China, Mongolia, and Korean could also provide some inspiration. Let us not forget that the Mongol Empire dwarfed the Roman Empire.
Is it just me or do these items looks slightly oriental?
The one of the left kind of looks like the armor worn by the Emperor Qin in the movie Hero.
I would add thee two, but the use the same item image as the one above and are not as clear either.
Few more weapons too in D2.
Ok so this last one doesn't look oriental, but it's name sure does! Bing Sz Wang
All these asian looking and sounding weapons and places, there has got to be one class coming from that area, but no I do not think it will carry the name Samurai, even though that it is highly likely that said warrior type formed part of the inspiration for the class.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
I am not so sure about that. I would imagine the Zakarum Inquisitor would replace the Paladin. Similar but not exactly the same. They share a similar look, Black (or dark) skin tone, heavy armor, shields, Scepters, similar skill set (I would imagine they would possess some of the same skills I mean to say), as they both follow the teachings of the Zakarum. But there are several key difference between the two. Such as the Inquisitor's much more stricter following of the teachings, and their general view of others, while the Paladin feels much more compelled to err for lack of a better phrase, shepherd the weak through the valley of darkness, the Inquisitor would only help you if he deemed you worthy, and good luck with that if you are a heathen in his eyes.
I am not doubting your suggestion based on the limited skills we saw the Desert Guard possess (Might, Cleansing, Blessed Aim, Jab), they were mercenaries, which due to game mechanics possess few skills. I just do not find them to be a big class, with a rich lore and history (even if Blizzard had to rewrite it.) They are a local militia made up of the residents of Lut Gohlein.
Oh but I would definitely love to seem to have a larger role. And the Iron Wolves from Act 3. Now there is a Spellsword for you.
But back to a sort of asian warrior type guy. I find it truly sad what Hollywood has done to the perception of what the Samurai or ninja is (or almost any class for that matter). When I think samurai my mind goes to Miyamoto Musashi. He is not some armor clad order following do gooder. He wandered around Japan beating the crud out of supposedly tough masters of martial arts and fighting styles, simply to prove he was as he once put it, "invincible under the sun". Hardly the stereotypical image of a samurai.
same goes for all classes, barbs are real, but they dont spin around like tops. but barbs, amazons, and druids are all able to be manipulated to fit within the universe. a samurai is historical, whereas the other classes are much less historical and less fantasized and romanced, also they have an air of mystery around them (maybe not the barb). the samurai is too 'set in stone.'
and the silks of victor is a roman design armor. but im sure the goldskin is of asian influence.
xinsai sounds chinese.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
Uh the Paladin would seem to negate your point. He is historical. And was prior to D2, quite heavily set in stone, and they like others such as DnD rewrote parts of the character and made it their own. I do not see why the same cannot be done for the samurai, or a class while possessing a different name is in essence the same thing.
I am aware of that yes, but there isn't really another word that does not lead you to Samurai, and the heavy armored soldier type guy. Ronin is close, but it is still a Samurai.
Regardless of the origin and legitimacy of the word, it is a point that other than by the two of us, seems to be never brought up or further discussed. They share the same weapons (mostly swords though) have much more lore and backstory as they are not tied down to their Daimyo or Shogun. The bear much in common with the Warriors of Khaduras, who according to lore sort of just roam the countryside having adventures fighting evil. Sounds like a Rurouni or a wandering swordsman to me.
If you think a Samurai can't fit, it means the Amazon can't, either...
It seems more original for a ranged class than the ranger/hunter.