What we know
During cutscene we see Inarius chained in hell, where we last heard about him.
What?
Him being chained and jailed is fine, but wasn't his wings stripped?
Fix
To fix this not accurate lore, we need to know if Inarius can have new wings grown out of him whenever.
Lilith
What we know
A gate is opened to set her free.
What?
They clearly say its a gate, but have the gate some impact on who sacrifice themselves? These 3 victims are not nephalems. Does this matter? If they summon something based on "ingredients" that are weak, the end product (Lilith) must be weak as well.
Fix
Its just a gateway, not a summon.
Lilith's servent
What we know
A guy who seems to know a great deal about the gate and the sacrifice needed to welcome home his mother.
What?
The rumor that people think its Rathma must be false or else its not accurate lore. It can't be Rathma since that guy hates Lilith and Inarius and stands on the humans side completely. Not even in the darkest hour of mankind he would take Lilith's part, nor Inarius.
Fix
It's Malic reborn out of the 3s blood to open the stonegate. (Check lore!)
Diablo III: Tathamet
What we know
Diablo used the black soulstone to use the souls to create "Tathamet".
What?
That is not Tathamet. The black soulstone didn't contain any souls that are trapped in the Void, a place even Diablo himself fear according to lore. And as you might have noticed, there are evil monsters surrounding Sanctuary and the heavens. This means those monsters are NOT part of Diablo either which concludes that Tathamet (the ultimate evil) was false.
Fix
Nothing evil can be seen, all souls are within reach, then it is possible to create Tathamet if there is right means to it. A true Tathamet wouldn't fit the screen. Easy way to fix that people understand it is a false Tathamet is to openly talk about it in the lore. Stories that tell that a human with powers (Nephalem) defeated a demon who thought it had the great evil within him.
End-boss in Diablo IV: Nephalem
What we know
In the end of Diablo III we, the Nephalem won, including the expansion.
What?
This would mean that the end boss of Expansion 2 for Diablo III, which never came, would've been another Nephalem. This to make up the balance of threat, and raise the stakes. Now we have Lilith entering the stage, and we will visit Hell. The souls are free and we are yet to understand whats going on. Who is the end boss of Diablo IV?
Fix
Diablo is the end boss of cause. Not because of the title, or that Diablo have always been the vanilla state of end boss (more or less), it must be Diablo because of the lore. We visit hell (and yes, Hell can have all kinds of threats, Mephisto, Inarius, Baal, Inarius jailor, a tiny bat called Jeff.. But Diablo is the lord of hell, and he is free, well.. Then we must come by and say hello! It can't be Lilith as end boss, we are her children (the Nephalem) I can only see her as someone being on our side actually, killing off angels and demons as she pleases. Unless, she is controled by Mephisto or her brother, but .. thats just weak and stupid.
Diablo IV Expansions
What we know
The developers talk about how much they want to resurrect monsters and bosses, but it must make sense. They do not want to design and put in a demon who makes less sense in areas that can't be confirmed by lore, and fantasy laws.
What?
We will be getting expansions, and we should expect more coverage of the map, as well as more monsters etc. This is of course if they can get enough sales of base-game and earlier expansions (including microtransactions, which to me is BS, but thats Activision for you). So people are talking about the real Tathamet might to show up and we, the Nephalem, swallows whole sanctuary and all good (all humans, animals, music, pinecones and stuff) and becomes Anu. But I have a hard time seeing that since the Heaven is part of Anu in lore as well, and Hell is part of Tathamet. So.. No. Does not compute.
Fix
The vanilla game needs Diablo as end boss for this path to work flawless. Inarius could be a mini-boss, we don't know much about that guy except he actually DID kill a bunch of first born Nephalems. I think Mephisto could be the main boss in Expansion 2, Baal in Expansion 3 and that could be enough (?) What would your take be? Meeting a Nephalem would be great too in an expansion.
At the time of the D1 manual, when they wrote that Inarius' wings were stripped, I'll bet they had in mind typical feathered angel wings, not the energy tendrils that showed up in D2. I think there's an unused graphic of an angel statue that looks such. And of course the iconic angel on the mana globe was always the more traditional style. In other words I'm not sure they thought through how to tear out the energy wings and whether they want to keep that part of lore.
A summon is to call something from somewhere else. Lilith s more than the sum of the "ingredients," that would instead be manufacturing her.
Its possible/likely that she needs some kind of human host to tether herself to Sanctuary, just like all the Prime and Lesser evils had. However while host is shown to have some influence on their power (Diablo as Albrecth vs Aidan), its also clear that Diablo's power clearly surpassed any one host.
Lilith is causing the remaining humans to act worse and spreading chaos and corruption by here mere presence. She may also be summoning demons to help her out and that is causing massive collateral damage to humans. Some heroes might want to get rid of her for that reason alone, even if it isn't the best thing for humanity in the long run. Remember the lore panel stressed that feeling of how the good guys don't always win or they arrive a day late and a dollar short, whatever we accomplish in D4 is almost certainly going to have a huge failing or downside. Like maybe killing Lilith opens us up to worse aggressors in expansions.
Excellent read. I need to go deep diving into the lore to keep up. You make fair points.
If Lilith is just sent back to the Void, then perhaps the humans / nephalem understands its the only safe way to store away evil, since everything seems to just be respawn / reborn again and again. Angels have at least closed the gates, but even those are reborn in the light.
Hey. Theories and lore I do not fully understand.
Inarius
What we know
During cutscene we see Inarius chained in hell, where we last heard about him.
What?
Him being chained and jailed is fine, but wasn't his wings stripped?
Fix
To fix this not accurate lore, we need to know if Inarius can have new wings grown out of him whenever.
Lilith
What we know
A gate is opened to set her free.
What?
They clearly say its a gate, but have the gate some impact on who sacrifice themselves? These 3 victims are not nephalems. Does this matter? If they summon something based on "ingredients" that are weak, the end product (Lilith) must be weak as well.
Fix
Its just a gateway, not a summon.
Lilith's servent
What we know
A guy who seems to know a great deal about the gate and the sacrifice needed to welcome home his mother.
What?
The rumor that people think its Rathma must be false or else its not accurate lore. It can't be Rathma since that guy hates Lilith and Inarius and stands on the humans side completely. Not even in the darkest hour of mankind he would take Lilith's part, nor Inarius.
Fix
It's Malic reborn out of the 3s blood to open the stonegate. (Check lore!)
Diablo III: Tathamet
What we know
Diablo used the black soulstone to use the souls to create "Tathamet".
What?
That is not Tathamet. The black soulstone didn't contain any souls that are trapped in the Void, a place even Diablo himself fear according to lore. And as you might have noticed, there are evil monsters surrounding Sanctuary and the heavens. This means those monsters are NOT part of Diablo either which concludes that Tathamet (the ultimate evil) was false.
Fix
Nothing evil can be seen, all souls are within reach, then it is possible to create Tathamet if there is right means to it. A true Tathamet wouldn't fit the screen. Easy way to fix that people understand it is a false Tathamet is to openly talk about it in the lore. Stories that tell that a human with powers (Nephalem) defeated a demon who thought it had the great evil within him.
End-boss in Diablo IV: Nephalem
What we know
In the end of Diablo III we, the Nephalem won, including the expansion.
What?
This would mean that the end boss of Expansion 2 for Diablo III, which never came, would've been another Nephalem. This to make up the balance of threat, and raise the stakes. Now we have Lilith entering the stage, and we will visit Hell. The souls are free and we are yet to understand whats going on. Who is the end boss of Diablo IV?
Fix
Diablo is the end boss of cause. Not because of the title, or that Diablo have always been the vanilla state of end boss (more or less), it must be Diablo because of the lore. We visit hell (and yes, Hell can have all kinds of threats, Mephisto, Inarius, Baal, Inarius jailor, a tiny bat called Jeff.. But Diablo is the lord of hell, and he is free, well.. Then we must come by and say hello! It can't be Lilith as end boss, we are her children (the Nephalem) I can only see her as someone being on our side actually, killing off angels and demons as she pleases. Unless, she is controled by Mephisto or her brother, but .. thats just weak and stupid.
Diablo IV Expansions
What we know
The developers talk about how much they want to resurrect monsters and bosses, but it must make sense. They do not want to design and put in a demon who makes less sense in areas that can't be confirmed by lore, and fantasy laws.
What?
We will be getting expansions, and we should expect more coverage of the map, as well as more monsters etc. This is of course if they can get enough sales of base-game and earlier expansions (including microtransactions, which to me is BS, but thats Activision for you). So people are talking about the real Tathamet might to show up and we, the Nephalem, swallows whole sanctuary and all good (all humans, animals, music, pinecones and stuff) and becomes Anu. But I have a hard time seeing that since the Heaven is part of Anu in lore as well, and Hell is part of Tathamet. So.. No. Does not compute.
Fix
The vanilla game needs Diablo as end boss for this path to work flawless. Inarius could be a mini-boss, we don't know much about that guy except he actually DID kill a bunch of first born Nephalems. I think Mephisto could be the main boss in Expansion 2, Baal in Expansion 3 and that could be enough (?) What would your take be? Meeting a Nephalem would be great too in an expansion.
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At the time of the D1 manual, when they wrote that Inarius' wings were stripped, I'll bet they had in mind typical feathered angel wings, not the energy tendrils that showed up in D2. I think there's an unused graphic of an angel statue that looks such. And of course the iconic angel on the mana globe was always the more traditional style. In other words I'm not sure they thought through how to tear out the energy wings and whether they want to keep that part of lore.
A summon is to call something from somewhere else. Lilith s more than the sum of the "ingredients," that would instead be manufacturing her.
Its possible/likely that she needs some kind of human host to tether herself to Sanctuary, just like all the Prime and Lesser evils had. However while host is shown to have some influence on their power (Diablo as Albrecth vs Aidan), its also clear that Diablo's power clearly surpassed any one host.
Lilith is causing the remaining humans to act worse and spreading chaos and corruption by here mere presence. She may also be summoning demons to help her out and that is causing massive collateral damage to humans. Some heroes might want to get rid of her for that reason alone, even if it isn't the best thing for humanity in the long run. Remember the lore panel stressed that feeling of how the good guys don't always win or they arrive a day late and a dollar short, whatever we accomplish in D4 is almost certainly going to have a huge failing or downside. Like maybe killing Lilith opens us up to worse aggressors in expansions.
I like the way you think and reason FoxBatD2
Excellent read. I need to go deep diving into the lore to keep up. You make fair points.
If Lilith is just sent back to the Void, then perhaps the humans / nephalem understands its the only safe way to store away evil, since everything seems to just be respawn / reborn again and again. Angels have at least closed the gates, but even those are reborn in the light.
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