In Tyrael's speech after you kill Baal, he says that the soulstones are no more. They are all destroyed.
Yeah but that doesn't make any sense, because Baal had his soulstone 1 minute prior to that speech. Since it obviously didn't leave the chamber, it couldn't possibly have been destroyed. So that either means:
1. Tyrael is stupid.
2. Tyrael intentd to destroy it shortly, perhaps with the Worlstone, but uses incorrect grammar.
3. Baal's soulstone has, as a result of already being shattered, lost that which required us to destroy the other two soulstones.
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A buddy of mine and I have been speculating about this for.... eight years now.
This was all a plan set in motion by the Prime Evils hundreds of years ago, a plan devised by Diablo. The three brothers would exile themselves from the Burning Hells and onto Sanctuary. It was said in one of the canonical scriptures that they tricked Tyreal into believing that the soulstones were useful, and thus allowed themselves to become imprisoned. (Diablo II Player's guide, I believe)
This allowed the Prime Evils to slowly gain dominion over their location because of prior knowledge of the weakness of the soulstones. The whole goal was to make their way to Mt. Arreat to corrupt the Worldstone. The point? Well, it's hard to day, I'm not Mr. Knaak, but again, we speculate that the whole point was two fold.
1) As a way to re-ignite the war between the High Heavens and Burning Hells. Maybe the Prime Evils feel they have already won the war over Sanctuary?
2) (And the most important), the Soulstones were nothing more than shards from the World Stone (if I remember correctly). If that's the case, and the fact that the World Stone was dampening the effects of the Outsiders (Angels and Demons), the destruction and // or corruption of the worldstone changes that.
(The majority of this is speculation based upon facts from both canonical lore and gameplay facts.)
Note: The destruction of Baal's soulstone is irrelevant based on the destruction of the World Stone.
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The soulstones were useful. They just became useless, or did not continue achieve their purpose, when Izual let Hell know the secrets of them and could then corrupt them and/or develop their plains of escape. Otherwise the whole Izual fiasco would have been pointless.
Yeah but that doesn't make any sense, because Baal had his soulstone 1 minute prior to that speech.
Yeah, and not to mention that Tyrael was no where near the chamber the whole time because Baal was magicking him out, so it's not even like he was there watching and ready to fetch the stone. He literally just got in as Baal died.
In response to this entire conversation I just thought of something a bit ago. The objective of the Soulstones was to capture the souls of the Three in them and thus keep them contained so that they could not break free into Sanctuary. Then when they did break free, we recaptured them and realized we could destroy the stones to exile them back into Hell. I mean, the Horadrim didn't know about smashing them I don't think.
Anyways, Baal died and Tyrael was forced to destroy the Worldstone. The Worldstone's purpose was to keep Heaven and Hell in check, with it gone now Sanctuary is wide open. My point being, whether the stone was destroyed or not would not matter anymore. Baal's corrupting of the Worldstone undid all our efforts to outcast Diablo and Mephisto from Sanctuary. We did all that for nothing pretty much.
And Baal's soulstone was not enough to contain him, which is why Tal Rasha sacrificed himself to endure so much torture to keep Baal contained. So its safe to say that whether the stone was destroyed or not matters not. It would not have been enough to contain him.
Which leads me to another interesting theory. Remember from D1 that if Diablo was slayed but not contained in a soulstone, his soul (or whatever) would just go to another close body and reform itself into his demonic self? Tyrael was the closest there, Baal might have at the very least corrupted Tyrael himself if not taken over the angel. Who knows, maybe he lives in any or even all of our heros. Not enough to form a clear assumption, thats why I leave it a theory.
In response to this entire conversation I just thought of something a bit ago. The objective of the Soulstones was to capture the souls of the Three in them and thus keep them contained so that they could not break free into Sanctuary. Then when they did break free, we recaptured them and realized we could destroy the stones to exile them back into Hell. I mean, the Horadrim didn't know about smashing them I don't think.
Anyways, Baal died and Tyrael was forced to destroy the Worldstone. The Worldstone's purpose was to keep Heaven and Hell in check, with it gone now Sanctuary is wide open. My point being, whether the stone was destroyed or not would not matter anymore. Baal's corrupting of the Worldstone undid all our efforts to outcast Diablo and Mephisto from Sanctuary. We did all that for nothing pretty much.
And Baal's soulstone was not enough to contain him, which is why Tal Rasha sacrificed himself to endure so much torture to keep Baal contained. So its safe to say that whether the stone was destroyed or not matters not. It would not have been enough to contain him.
I can't argue with much of that. The only detail here is that this doesn't tell us whether or not the soulstone was destroyed. You're probably right that it doesn't matter much whether it is or is not destroyed, but that doesn't answer the question. I hadn't thought of that, though- I completely forgot that Baal was more than a soulstone could handle. That alone makes your whole idea more plausible than most other ideas.
Which leads me to another interesting theory. Remember from D1 that if Diablo was slayed but not contained in a soulstone, his soul (or whatever) would just go to another close body and reform itself into his demonic self? Tyrael was the closest there, Baal might have at the very least corrupted Tyrael himself if not taken over the angel. Who knows, maybe he lives in any or even all of our heros. Not enough to form a clear assumption, thats why I leave it a theory.
Anyone see any logic to this?
Logically that would make the most sense. Until the game comes out, though, we won't know whether or not the new Diablo story authors remembered that tidbit from the oldest game. Although they should, yes, you never know. Also, if that would be an important element of the story here (Tyrael being possessed in that sense), then I think it would have mentioned it a little here and there along the way through Diablo II. I don't think it did mention that- Diablo's habit of possession and/or that of the others without a soulstone. We also don't know if because Tyrael is an immortal that makes any magical difference, I don't think. It could be that a spirit in such a weakened state floating around like that to the next body would not be powerful enough to subdue Tyrael since he's both an angel and immortal (I don't see why it would or why it would not, I'm just offering some discussion).
Overall, though, I would say that is very logical unless I'm missing something crucial.
Which leads me to another interesting theory. Remember from D1 that if Diablo was slayed but not contained in a soulstone, his soul (or whatever) would just go to another close body and reform itself into his demonic self? Tyrael was the closest there, Baal might have at the very least corrupted Tyrael himself if not taken over the angel. Who knows, maybe he lives in any or even all of our heros. Not enough to form a clear assumption, thats why I leave it a theory.
Logically that would make the most sense. Until the game comes out, though, we won't know whether or not the new Diablo story authors remembered that tidbit from the oldest game. Although they should, yes, you never know. Also, if that would be an important element of the story here (Tyrael being possessed in that sense), then I think it would have mentioned it a little here and there along the way through Diablo II. I don't think it did mention that- Diablo's habit of possession and/or that of the others without a soulstone. We also don't know if because Tyrael is an immortal that makes any magical difference, I don't think. It could be that a spirit in such a weakened state floating around like that to the next body would not be powerful enough to subdue Tyrael since he's both an angel and immortal (I don't see why it would or why it would not, I'm just offering some discussion).
I'd say Tyrael being being who he is does matter. If Baal could take one of the most powerful angels while weakened and literally on his deathbed, this war would have ended long ago.
As for taking over the heroes, that would seem more likely. But as stated by Seth, there's no way of knowing whether or not that happened before the game comes out.
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The question is then why did they keep the soulstones around.. And I think for some odd reason they couldn't seperate themselves from the soulstones. It's the only thing I can think of.
Well I'm still not a fan of your body-theory regarding the soulstones, although you're making more sense now than previously. I'm not saying it couldn't work, I don't think bodies are all that important in the grand scheme of things.
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The Worldstone had only two powers:
1) Hide Sanctuary from Heaven and Hell. Since both forces had found Sanctuary in the meanwhile, this doesn't matter.
2) Make it harder for humans to reach their full potential.
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Now that's all well and good, but what the Prime Evils were after was the Worldstone. By corrupting it, Baal reactivated the Worldstone's first power. He would hide Sanctuary from heaven, but not from hell. That way, they would be able to invade Sanctuary without heaven being able to do anything about it.
At first you say the Worlstone hid Sanctuary from both Heaven and Hell in the traditional sense, in that once it's found, you know where it is and it doesn't move. If that's the case, then the hiding power works like making Sanctuary invisible; however the object is still there, so even if it is invisible, it doesn't help if the one looking for it already knows it's there. Meaning corrupting the Worldstone wouldn't have done much for Baal, since Heaven would still know that Sanctuary existed, and where it was.
I think the Worlstone works more like a stealth-jet in motion. Not only is the object hidden, but it is also moving, meaning even if you know there is a plane up in the air, that doesn't mean you can shoot it down. If this is true, then the powers of the Worlstone would, at the time of Diablo II, still prevent both Heaven and Hell from completely invading. This explains why Baal wanted to corrupt it, because that would have locked Heaven out, while allowing Hell access.
Thwo problems arise from this however: How come thousands of demons are stopping us in every act, and how did Heaven and Hell invade Sancuary in The Veiled Prophet?
First, how come there are demons everywhere? Well, summoning a demon from Sanctuary doesn't appear to be that problematic; basically someone from the jetplane is guiding you towards them, even though they are visibly hidden. Since the Three are conveniently on Sanctuary, that's not much of a problem.
How come Tyrael can appear then? Well, it's not impossible to find Sanctuary, because the Lesser Evils must also have banished the Three. However it seems challenging. Perhaps this is a reason for the soulstones; by using them, the Three anchor themselves in Snactuary, allowingthem to summon demons of their own, while Tyrael can do no such thing since he's only a "guest".
Second, in The Veiled Prophet, Uldyssian had messed around with the Worlstone, disabling the block on humans. It's possible that wasn't the only thing he changed around, meaning the way could have been open.
Just thought of this, feel free to point out inconsistencies
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And if Tyrael was possessed, he wouldn't have destroyed the Worldstone.
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By corrupting it, Baal reactivated the Worldstone's first power. He would hide Sanctuary from heaven, but not from hell. That way, they would be able to invade Sanctuary without heaven being able to do anything about it.
Well, unless that "moving" theory that Phrozen presented is true, then this wouldn't have done anything to hide it from Heaven, since, like you said, they already knew where it was:
1) Hide Sanctuary from Heaven and Hell. Since both forces had found Sanctuary in the meanwhile, this doesn't matter.
If I were to guess, maybe he was undoing Uldyssian's tampering with it so that humans would once again start becoming weak? There may have been other thing's, besides, but the stupid thing was that his plains were never really mentioned, a short-coming, I think, of the story authors- they should have made something like that obvious. The only other information we're given in Diablo II after that is from Anya, who says that an old prophecy says something about the worlds being shielded or something, I can't remember.
Or.. the only reason Mephisto and Diablo couldn't get rid of the soulstones was because they were stuck inside them, and since Baal just used his as a hanger, he could loose it without getting sucked back in. But I don't about that.
How do you know that Diablo wasn't still using his, though? He still had it in his head when you fought him in the Chaos Sanctuary. That's pretty much the same as Baal's situation- he still had possession of it. It could be true that he didn't want to part with it, then because he could summon more power out of it.
And in any case, I think Ball was still dependent on his soulstone because in the prologue of Act V he had to use it to use magic against the guard or whomever, and when he summoned minions in the Throne to Destruction, he had to do similarly (or at least it appeared that way to me with where his hands or whatever went- the textures and models in Diablo II are usually too poor and gritty to see their details properly).
Does it even say somewhere in the lore if Sanctuary does move somewhere when the magic of the Worldstone kicks in? What if it isn't Sanctuary that is actually affected so much as everyone outside of it, as in the magic makes them forget how to get there or some such? Then it would still make sense that corrupting the Worldstone would keep Heaven from getting to Sanctuary.
I should read your post before replying halfway through from now on lol.
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Ah, so the whole disabling the powers of the Nephalim thing is no longer a factor? You hear something new every day
I don't remember how that worked out. Sanctuary was basically "reset" after the Sin War, with events and history being forgotten by everyone on Sanctuary excluding a few Nehpalem. I don't remember if the Worldstone was also reset however.
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Anyway.. so I guess the difference between our two explanations is:
I think Sanctuary is hidden, and it moves to another place when you tell it to. You think it's hidden and moves around constantly.
I'm not proposing that Sanctuary is physically moving, only that if someone attempts to teleport or transfer themselves there, the Worldstone will give them a hard time doing that as locating it and transfering there would be difficult. It's more of a natural property of the world, sort of like gravity or similar.
I'm well aware that this is likely overanalyzing this concept of the Worlstone, likely Blizzard is just saying "hey, it's some sort of shield!" and are happy with that.
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Does it even say somewhere in the lore if Sanctuary does move somewhere when the magic of the Worldstone kicks in? What if it isn't Sanctuary that is actually affected so much as everyone outside of it, as in the magic makes them forget how to get there or some such? Then it would still make sense that corrupting the Worldstone would keep Heaven from getting to Sanctuary.
I don't think it does, however it seems more reasonably to hide one world rather than affecting all other worlds, which appear to be considerably more than just Heaven and Hell.
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which appear to be considerably more than just Heaven and Hell.
Well, if part of the magic was affecting memory so that people would forget how to get in to Sanctuary, it would only have to affect people who already know how to get in from outside, which is so far only demons and angels. The dual-part of that would act as a shield against intrusion, making it more difficult to get in to it from outside. So, in effect, people wouldn't know how to get in, and even if they did, it would be very hard to do so.
I don't think limiting the power of such a potent thing as the Worldstone is, well, I don't know, all that great. It's been fought over by demons, angels, and humans for many hundreds of years, sacrifices have been made innumerably to protect it, and it was created by some of the most powerful forces. I don't see why its magic would be limited if its so powerful.
To be honest, I think it is well worth pondering about the mindset of the Prime Evils. I really think that the destruction of the Worldstone was the plan from the beginning, hell, everything was planned... the exile from the Burning Hells, the capture by and the corruption of the Soulstones. When reading any of the books, all of the demons' plans took a long time to plan, and usually even longer to execute... and we're not just talking about mid-level demons here. Diablo, who is the most "exalted" of the three Prime Evils, and a brilliant mastermind; Mephisto, whose cunning and trickery is matched by no other; and Baal, who has a flair for havoc and destruction. It even shows in game, albeit more simple than I'm describing it. Mephisto, who has you running through endless caverns and dead ends; Baal who has you fight his minions gladiator style; and Diablo, who makes you "decypher" and open locks that summon him.
These aren't just little carvers we're dealing with. So, if the destruction of the World Stone was the penultimate goal... that leads to the question of why? I don't know. I think we're looking at it wrong. I don't think the World Stone was the goal. I'll be reading and playing more to see if I can't see some sort of link.
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To be honest, I think it is well worth pondering about the mindset of the Prime Evils. I really think that the destruction of the Worldstone was the plan from the beginning, hell, everything was planned... the exile from the Burning Hells, the capture by and the corruption of the Soulstones. When reading any of the books, all of the demons' plans took a long time to plan, and usually even longer to execute... and we're not just talking about mid-level demons here. Diablo, who is the most "exalted" of the three Prime Evils, and a brilliant mastermind; Mephisto, whose cunning and trickery is matched by no other; and Baal, who has a flair for havoc and destruction. It even shows in game, albeit more simple than I'm describing it. Mephisto, who has you running through endless caverns and dead ends; Baal who has you fight his minions gladiator style; and Diablo, who makes you "decypher" and open locks that summon him.
These aren't just little carvers we're dealing with. So, if the destruction of the World Stone was the penultimate goal... that leads to the question of why? I don't know. I think we're looking at it wrong. I don't think the World Stone was the goal. I'll be reading and playing more to see if I can't see some sort of link.
Though I don't know what the 'true' plan is I agree with you.
Come on this is the three Prime Evils of the Burning Hells we are talking about, three of them who formulated for a long ass time. Three of them being defeated by the lone archangel Tyrael and humans?
Not saying humans are weak or whatever, but it seems kind of weird that a plan long in the making was stopped by a group of mortals led by Tyrael. Yes Tyrael is awesome but I don't think he can take on three Prime Evils let alone destroy their plan, maybe interrupt it, but never destroy it.
You are perfectly saying the same thing Leonard Boyarski said on one of the Lore Panels:
Who are we to think that we destroyed Diablo, the Lord of Terror himself?
In other words, I agree with you!
Yea for all we know we could have made him stronger lol
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Lol yea im shure when diablo see's him again hes going to go on an outrage either that or try and corrupt him. Thats gatta suck a barb kils ya 20 years later you see him again tryin to do the same thing...man...talk about pissed off.
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I didnt realise they were flashbacks right at first, either I think we get some insight into Shiros natural character during the RoT quest "a History of violence". It paints a picture of a violent, though not actually EVIL, person. My guess is he was similar as a boy.
Mephisto and Diablo, once found, were easily lured into the Soulstones. The capture of
their brother Baal, however, became complicated when the Soulstone that was to be his eternal
prison was shattered and fragmented. We found that while the shards still held the power to
lure the demon to them, they could not properly contain it. Tal Rasha, a fellow Initiate who has
been since immortalized in Horadrim lore, theorized that a mortal of strong will might be able
to contain Baal within his own mortal soul. This sacrifice meant that the essence of any mortal
so chosen would be forever tortured while locked in eternal conflict with the enthralled demon.
To this end, Tal Rasha volunteered to contain the raging Lord of Destruction.
Piercing his breast with a shard of the Soulstone, Tal Rasha took within himself the
essence of Baal, the Lord of Destruction. The Initiate?s body was shackled, chained and buried
deep within a tomb under the desert. The sacrifice of Tal Rasha has kept Baal imprisoned for
many years now, and although the demon was imprisoned without the use a whole Soulstone,
we believe that our victory may be a hollow one.
THIS MEANS THAT HIS SOULSTONE WAS ALREADY SEMI DESTORYED, AND WERNET THE OTHER TWO AT THE END OF D2 TECHNICALLY ONLY FRAGMENTED BREAKING INTO GEMS?
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1. Tyrael is stupid.
2. Tyrael intentd to destroy it shortly, perhaps with the Worlstone, but uses incorrect grammar.
3. Baal's soulstone has, as a result of already being shattered, lost that which required us to destroy the other two soulstones.
This was all a plan set in motion by the Prime Evils hundreds of years ago, a plan devised by Diablo. The three brothers would exile themselves from the Burning Hells and onto Sanctuary. It was said in one of the canonical scriptures that they tricked Tyreal into believing that the soulstones were useful, and thus allowed themselves to become imprisoned. (Diablo II Player's guide, I believe)
This allowed the Prime Evils to slowly gain dominion over their location because of prior knowledge of the weakness of the soulstones. The whole goal was to make their way to Mt. Arreat to corrupt the Worldstone. The point? Well, it's hard to day, I'm not Mr. Knaak, but again, we speculate that the whole point was two fold.
1) As a way to re-ignite the war between the High Heavens and Burning Hells. Maybe the Prime Evils feel they have already won the war over Sanctuary?
2) (And the most important), the Soulstones were nothing more than shards from the World Stone (if I remember correctly). If that's the case, and the fact that the World Stone was dampening the effects of the Outsiders (Angels and Demons), the destruction and // or corruption of the worldstone changes that.
(The majority of this is speculation based upon facts from both canonical lore and gameplay facts.)
Note: The destruction of Baal's soulstone is irrelevant based on the destruction of the World Stone.
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Yeah, and not to mention that Tyrael was no where near the chamber the whole time because Baal was magicking him out, so it's not even like he was there watching and ready to fetch the stone. He literally just got in as Baal died.
Anyways, Baal died and Tyrael was forced to destroy the Worldstone. The Worldstone's purpose was to keep Heaven and Hell in check, with it gone now Sanctuary is wide open. My point being, whether the stone was destroyed or not would not matter anymore. Baal's corrupting of the Worldstone undid all our efforts to outcast Diablo and Mephisto from Sanctuary. We did all that for nothing pretty much.
And Baal's soulstone was not enough to contain him, which is why Tal Rasha sacrificed himself to endure so much torture to keep Baal contained. So its safe to say that whether the stone was destroyed or not matters not. It would not have been enough to contain him.
Which leads me to another interesting theory. Remember from D1 that if Diablo was slayed but not contained in a soulstone, his soul (or whatever) would just go to another close body and reform itself into his demonic self? Tyrael was the closest there, Baal might have at the very least corrupted Tyrael himself if not taken over the angel. Who knows, maybe he lives in any or even all of our heros. Not enough to form a clear assumption, thats why I leave it a theory.
Anyone see any logic to this?
I can't argue with much of that. The only detail here is that this doesn't tell us whether or not the soulstone was destroyed. You're probably right that it doesn't matter much whether it is or is not destroyed, but that doesn't answer the question. I hadn't thought of that, though- I completely forgot that Baal was more than a soulstone could handle. That alone makes your whole idea more plausible than most other ideas.
Logically that would make the most sense. Until the game comes out, though, we won't know whether or not the new Diablo story authors remembered that tidbit from the oldest game. Although they should, yes, you never know. Also, if that would be an important element of the story here (Tyrael being possessed in that sense), then I think it would have mentioned it a little here and there along the way through Diablo II. I don't think it did mention that- Diablo's habit of possession and/or that of the others without a soulstone. We also don't know if because Tyrael is an immortal that makes any magical difference, I don't think. It could be that a spirit in such a weakened state floating around like that to the next body would not be powerful enough to subdue Tyrael since he's both an angel and immortal (I don't see why it would or why it would not, I'm just offering some discussion).
Overall, though, I would say that is very logical unless I'm missing something crucial.
As for taking over the heroes, that would seem more likely. But as stated by Seth, there's no way of knowing whether or not that happened before the game comes out.
At first you say the Worlstone hid Sanctuary from both Heaven and Hell in the traditional sense, in that once it's found, you know where it is and it doesn't move. If that's the case, then the hiding power works like making Sanctuary invisible; however the object is still there, so even if it is invisible, it doesn't help if the one looking for it already knows it's there. Meaning corrupting the Worldstone wouldn't have done much for Baal, since Heaven would still know that Sanctuary existed, and where it was.
I think the Worlstone works more like a stealth-jet in motion. Not only is the object hidden, but it is also moving, meaning even if you know there is a plane up in the air, that doesn't mean you can shoot it down. If this is true, then the powers of the Worlstone would, at the time of Diablo II, still prevent both Heaven and Hell from completely invading. This explains why Baal wanted to corrupt it, because that would have locked Heaven out, while allowing Hell access.
Thwo problems arise from this however: How come thousands of demons are stopping us in every act, and how did Heaven and Hell invade Sancuary in The Veiled Prophet?
First, how come there are demons everywhere? Well, summoning a demon from Sanctuary doesn't appear to be that problematic; basically someone from the jetplane is guiding you towards them, even though they are visibly hidden. Since the Three are conveniently on Sanctuary, that's not much of a problem.
How come Tyrael can appear then? Well, it's not impossible to find Sanctuary, because the Lesser Evils must also have banished the Three. However it seems challenging. Perhaps this is a reason for the soulstones; by using them, the Three anchor themselves in Snactuary, allowingthem to summon demons of their own, while Tyrael can do no such thing since he's only a "guest".
Second, in The Veiled Prophet, Uldyssian had messed around with the Worlstone, disabling the block on humans. It's possible that wasn't the only thing he changed around, meaning the way could have been open.
Just thought of this, feel free to point out inconsistencies
That's the best proof right there :cool:
Well, unless that "moving" theory that Phrozen presented is true, then this wouldn't have done anything to hide it from Heaven, since, like you said, they already knew where it was:
If I were to guess, maybe he was undoing Uldyssian's tampering with it so that humans would once again start becoming weak? There may have been other thing's, besides, but the stupid thing was that his plains were never really mentioned, a short-coming, I think, of the story authors- they should have made something like that obvious. The only other information we're given in Diablo II after that is from Anya, who says that an old prophecy says something about the worlds being shielded or something, I can't remember.
How do you know that Diablo wasn't still using his, though? He still had it in his head when you fought him in the Chaos Sanctuary. That's pretty much the same as Baal's situation- he still had possession of it. It could be true that he didn't want to part with it, then because he could summon more power out of it.
And in any case, I think Ball was still dependent on his soulstone because in the prologue of Act V he had to use it to use magic against the guard or whomever, and when he summoned minions in the Throne to Destruction, he had to do similarly (or at least it appeared that way to me with where his hands or whatever went- the textures and models in Diablo II are usually too poor and gritty to see their details properly).
I don't remember how that worked out. Sanctuary was basically "reset" after the Sin War, with events and history being forgotten by everyone on Sanctuary excluding a few Nehpalem. I don't remember if the Worldstone was also reset however.
I'm not proposing that Sanctuary is physically moving, only that if someone attempts to teleport or transfer themselves there, the Worldstone will give them a hard time doing that as locating it and transfering there would be difficult. It's more of a natural property of the world, sort of like gravity or similar.
I'm well aware that this is likely overanalyzing this concept of the Worlstone, likely Blizzard is just saying "hey, it's some sort of shield!" and are happy with that.
I don't think it does, however it seems more reasonably to hide one world rather than affecting all other worlds, which appear to be considerably more than just Heaven and Hell.
Well, if part of the magic was affecting memory so that people would forget how to get in to Sanctuary, it would only have to affect people who already know how to get in from outside, which is so far only demons and angels. The dual-part of that would act as a shield against intrusion, making it more difficult to get in to it from outside. So, in effect, people wouldn't know how to get in, and even if they did, it would be very hard to do so.
I don't think limiting the power of such a potent thing as the Worldstone is, well, I don't know, all that great. It's been fought over by demons, angels, and humans for many hundreds of years, sacrifices have been made innumerably to protect it, and it was created by some of the most powerful forces. I don't see why its magic would be limited if its so powerful.
These aren't just little carvers we're dealing with. So, if the destruction of the World Stone was the penultimate goal... that leads to the question of why? I don't know. I think we're looking at it wrong. I don't think the World Stone was the goal. I'll be reading and playing more to see if I can't see some sort of link.
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Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.
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Though I don't know what the 'true' plan is I agree with you.
Come on this is the three Prime Evils of the Burning Hells we are talking about, three of them who formulated for a long ass time. Three of them being defeated by the lone archangel Tyrael and humans?
Not saying humans are weak or whatever, but it seems kind of weird that a plan long in the making was stopped by a group of mortals led by Tyrael. Yes Tyrael is awesome but I don't think he can take on three Prime Evils let alone destroy their plan, maybe interrupt it, but never destroy it.
Yea for all we know we could have made him stronger lol
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If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
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their brother Baal, however, became complicated when the Soulstone that was to be his eternal
prison was shattered and fragmented. We found that while the shards still held the power to
lure the demon to them, they could not properly contain it. Tal Rasha, a fellow Initiate who has
been since immortalized in Horadrim lore, theorized that a mortal of strong will might be able
to contain Baal within his own mortal soul. This sacrifice meant that the essence of any mortal
so chosen would be forever tortured while locked in eternal conflict with the enthralled demon.
To this end, Tal Rasha volunteered to contain the raging Lord of Destruction.
Piercing his breast with a shard of the Soulstone, Tal Rasha took within himself the
essence of Baal, the Lord of Destruction. The Initiate?s body was shackled, chained and buried
deep within a tomb under the desert. The sacrifice of Tal Rasha has kept Baal imprisoned for
many years now, and although the demon was imprisoned without the use a whole Soulstone,
THIS MEANS THAT HIS SOULSTONE WAS ALREADY SEMI DESTORYED, AND WERNET THE OTHER TWO AT THE END OF D2 TECHNICALLY ONLY FRAGMENTED BREAKING INTO GEMS?