Seems like an interesting idea. And who's plan was it to deceive Tyrael? Yes, it could have been Diablo, it could have been Mephisto, and it could have been Baal! But, why not leave the act of deceit right in the hands of Belial, the Lord of Lies, or as I like to say, the LoL.
No really, since he is the Lord of Lies, wouldn't it make sense for him to come up with a way to lie to Tyrael?
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Well in D2: LoD it was mainly centered around the barbarian tribe. Maybe the former Blizzard North was basing Diablo 3 on this prophecy, only for the new team to build upon it after they were disbanded
The prophecy of the final day has a second part and talked of an omen falling from the Heavens. I suppose Tyrael really is the vessel for a greater evil.
Aha, I have the second part here, found it after a bit of browsing:
"The comet carries a dark omen in its fiery being and it calls the heroes of Sanctuary to defend the mortal world against the rising powers of the Burning Hells – and even the failing luminaries of the High Heavens itself."
now this part being the 'shred of light' I was talking about
The comet carries a dark omen in its fiery being and it calls the heroes of Sanctuary To defend the mortal world against the rising powers of the Burning Hells – And even the failing luminaries of the High Heavens itself."
I believe the comet is Tyrael warning about other angels. I don't think he is corrupted.
Indeed, I have posted my decoding on the Second Part of the prophecy in my post, proving Tyrael is not corrupted, but in fact helping mankind once again
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Here is my decoding from the Second Part of the prophecy:
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"The comet carries a dark omen in its fiery being and it calls the heroes of Sanctuary To defend the mortal world against the rising powers of the Burning Hells – And even the failing luminaries of the High Heavens itself."
This second part explains the Diablo 3 plot about the comet in the cinematic. The comet is a warning from the Archangel Tyrael about the upcoming threat of the Burning Hells and the High Heavens. The Worldstone now gone, the forces of the High Heavens 'failing luminaries' and from the Burning Hells 'rising powers' prepare to take their unending war into the Sanctuary with no resistance.
Sorry but I don't agree with all of your interpretation. I do agree with most of it, but really don't think this poem has anything to do with DIII in mind. I think you're over-analysing lol.
Note that DIII went through many changes since the poem was written.
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"And a child will cradle Terror in his breast the heart of man falls under the shadow."
Child is Prince Abrecht: Diablo failed into corrupting King Leoric, thus went to more easier prey, the King's own son
Agreed.
"A Wanderer will pass through the ancient lands trailing chaos in his wake."
The Wanderer is Diablo himself, in full control of the Hero who defeated him, journeying eastward to reunite with his brothers: Mephisto and Baal
Agreed.
"The Three Brothers will be reunited as the mortal world trembles before their might."
Diablo has freed Baal, together, travelling East into Kurast, finally meeting Mephisto in his Durance of Hate
Agreed.
"And so it was foretold that the Three, once reunited, would be shattered again --"
All three of the Prime Evils were defeated by mortal heros of mankind.
Agreed.
"And the last of them would set his sights on the holy mount. The warnings held that Their defeat would be illusory - that the final gambit had yet to be played . . ."
The last of the Prime Evils to be defeated was Baal: while Mephisto and Diablol were trying to reunite Hell, he instead went on a conquest for the Worldstone on Mount Arreatj
I didn't think Mephisto and Diablo were trying to reunite Hell though. They were all working together, all of them trying to get to the Worldstone and all of them playing their own part to help each other get as far as possible. Mephisto stayed behind so that Diablo and Baal could escape, and while Diablo was being defeated in Hell, Baal managed to escape and build an army. They were quite successful in their teamwork for getting at the Worldstone.
Now, after Baal was defeated, he manged to corrupt the Worldstone. And due to Tyrael's descision: the Worldstone was destroyed. Instead of Tyrael going insane, I believe that the Prime Evils tricked both the minds of the mortal heros, Deckard Cain, and the Engimatic Tyrael into destoying the Worldstone, thus their plans throughout Diablo 1 and 2 was all but a decoy: Their defeat would be illusory
Remember that this poem came with the expansion. When Diablo was defeated, it seemed as if the game was done... but then they came out with an expansion and oh crap, now we have to defeat Baal. Most people that played the original Diablo II forgot all about the third Prime Evil.
Well, okay, it really depends on who they mean by 'their'. "Their" can mean either Diablo and Mephisto, or all three of them together. It can be interpreted both ways equally, but from a LoD-point-of-view, it sounds to me more like 'their' is referring to the Prime Evils as a whole, and most people think that if two of them are defeated, the third must have retreated or something.
Then throughout 20 years, the Prime Evils finally reunite the Burning Hells into their command once again, and now target the High Heavens, with the Sanctuary as the battlefield
It doesn't mention reuniting Hell, it just mentions a "final gambit". The 'final gambit' sounds to me more like Baal. Like: Mephisto's dead, Diablo's dead, oh there's one final Prime Evil to be defeated type of thing.
"And now at last the storm surges forth from the southlands, and the hand of Destruction Reaches out to undo the workings of the Ancients. The tides of Hell surge - ready to smash Down upon the shores of the mortal world - to drown the guilty and the innocent alike."
Now this is the starting line of Diablo 3's storyline, an invasion of the Burning Hells lead by both Prime and Lesser Evils, and no man: guilty or innocent, shall survive
[You also said this in another post:]
Now when Baal was travelling to Mount Arreat, I believe he was going North instead of South, so that pretty much rules out this part of the passage from Diablo 2: LoD. Mount Arreat being now a Crater of Arreat, that is where the Worldstone was destroyed, thus being the most vulnerable point on where the forces of the Burning Hells could unleash their unholy might, their quest being to conquer the whole Sanctuary then to continue their endless war against the High Heavens with the upper hand
I think you're misunderstanding the words here. Baal was going north, yes, but that is exactly what the prophecy said. "forth from the southlands" means 'coming from the south', not going towards.
You seem to have overlooked this line, too, when assuming that this paragraph is all about DIII: "and the hand of Destruction Reaches out to undo the workings of the Ancients." What does that have to do with DIII storyline? It speaks entirely of Baal 'reaching' up to Mt Arreat to defeat the Ancients and corrupt the Worldstone.
"The comet carries a dark omen in its fiery being and it calls the heroes of Sanctuary To defend the mortal world against the rising powers of the Burning Hells – And even the failing luminaries of the High Heavens itself."
This second part explains the Diablo 3 plot about the comet in the cinematic. The comet is a warning from the Archangel Tyrael about the upcoming threat of the Burning Hells and the High Heavens. The Worldstone now gone, the forces of the High Heavens 'failing luminaries' and from the Burning Hells 'rising powers' prepare to take their unending war into the Sanctuary with no resistance.
Yeah, thats right, and its very exciting! But your wording is a bit hard to understand lol. I'll make it clearer for other people:
It sounds as if we are going to fight both Demons AND ANGELS. Simplified, the sentence on the DIII homepage says that mortals will defend themselves against Hell and even the luminaries of the Heavens itself.
Luminaries = light, and Angels are entities that are made of light (and sound).
When a 'light is failing', it means it is losing its glow. Therefore, when an Angel's 'light fails', it becomes corrupted? Their light isn't so good afterall?
To Counter 1: Diablo was managing the forces in Hell, trying to reunite the forces, Mephisto stayed behind to delay the mortal heros and Baal went on the conquest for the Worldstone on Mount Arreat
To Counter 2: I used their as to group all three of the Prime Evils. Their plan we thought was just to enter Hell, but instead as a decoy into decieving the mortal heros to enter hell and defeat Diablo, giving Baal time to reach Mount Arreat. With a long distance between them, it is thanks to Tyrael that they reached Harrogath, journeyed atop Mount Arreat, and confronted baal, to only be too late.
The Prime Evils tricked the Archangel Tyrael to destroy the Worldstone, thus their defeat wasn't a total lost, or they planned the whole thing from the beginning. I shall go with the latter
To Counter 3 + 4: Alright I admit that I misunderstood the phrase here, i shall go now and decode the OP post properly now, XD
To Counter 5: I'll rephrase it, as for the Luminaries commet, I doubt angel's go corrupted, but instead drives their war against the Burning Hells onto the Sanctuary, paying no heed to mankind whatsoever
TDiablo was managing the forces in Hell, trying to reunite the forces, Mephisto stayed behind to delay the mortal heros and Baal went on the conquest for the Worldstone on Mount Arreat
I agree with this line of thought and the notion that Diablo had already reclaimed Hell. As we see in the cinematic after Act III of DII:
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Arise, Diablo, Lord of Terror!
You are the harbinger of our return, Diablo. Send forth your Terror into Hell.
I think each Prime Evil had a clear mission.
Diablo was to overtake hell again. And I think he did it easily and quickly because nobody saw it coming. Remember how scared shitless Xazax was when he encountered Diablo in the desert of Aranoch?
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A shadow darker than the night swept across Xazax, completely startling the wounded monster.
Cunning...lying...traitorous little bug...
Xazax froze. None of the creations of the female's spellwork had ever spoken in his mind with such elaborate conviction.
"Who dares?" he rasped, turning in the direction from which he sensed the voice in his head somehow originated. "Who--"
And before the hellish mantis loomed the most terrible of all the nightmares he could have dreamed. The demon's mandibles stretched wide and a single, almost plaintively spoken word tried unsecessfully to completely escape.
Building off my post above, I can't go along with speculation of XxL2PxX that the Prime Evils planned everything that transpired in (at least) Diablo II.
As for the "final gambit" of the prophecy, I think we have to concede to Atrumentis that it refers to Baal's assault on Mt. Arreat. It comes right before the passage describing the surge from the southlands. Of course, it could refer to a plan that comes after that, too--one we have not see yet.
At this point, I think we have to declare the prophesy fulfilled in Diablo II. Each Prime Evil did the job he was best suited to do. Diablo reclaimed Hell through the sheer terror of his presence. Mephisto channeled his hatred for the Vizjeri who imprisoned him and the forces of Heaven into a stall-tactic battle against the hero. Baal headed for the Worldstone to wage a destructive war on Sanctuary.
Now, there are a couple of points I think people are hasty to assume about the end of Diablo II:
The destruction of the Soulstones will keep Diablo and Mephisto from returning to Sanctuary after the destruction of the Worldstone. Since the Worldstone simultaneously sought to shield the existance of the planet from both Hell and Heaven while controlling the powers of the Nephelem, I think the destruction of the Worldstone makes it very likely that the Prime Evils can return.
The comet is Tyrael, related to Tyrael, a fallen angel, or frozen Cool Whip. Aside from the Cool Whip theory, I am not really able to buy into any of them. Sometimes a meteor is just a meteor? I don't know. I just think the idea of "fallen angel" or "guardian angel" from the Judeo-Christian theology is too often romanticized and imposed on Diablo lore. The only reason the angels tolerate humans--even Tyrael--is because of a fascination with their free will. Both sides pretty much see Sanctuary as a living weapon. If Tyrael does anything to save the world, I think it is for FAR more selfish reasons than anyone states.
Building off my post above, I can't go along with speculation of XxL2PxX that the Prime Evils planned everything that transpired in (at least) Diablo II.
As for the "final gambit" of the prophecy, I think we have to concede to Atrumentis that it refers to Baal's assault on Mt. Arreat. It comes right before the passage describing the surge from the southlands. Of course, it could refer to a plan that comes after that, too--one we have not see yet.
At this point, I think we have to declare the prophesy fulfilled in Diablo II. Each Prime Evil did the job he was best suited to do. Diablo reclaimed Hell through the sheer terror of his presence. Mephisto channeled his hatred for the Vizjeri who imprisoned him and the forces of Heaven into a stall-tactic battle against the hero. Baal headed for the Worldstone to wage a destructive war on Sanctuary.
Now, there are a couple of points I think people are hasty to assume about the end of Diablo II:
The destruction of the Soulstones will keep Diablo and Mephisto from returning to Sanctuary after the destruction of the Worldstone. Since the Worldstone simultaneously sought to shield the existance of the planet from both Hell and Heaven while controlling the powers of the Nephelem, I think the destruction of the Worldstone makes it very likely that the Prime Evils can return.
The comet is Tyrael, related to Tyrael, a fallen angel, or frozen Cool Whip. Aside from the Cool Whip theory, I am not really able to buy into any of them. Sometimes a meteor is just a meteor? I don't know. I just think the idea of "fallen angel" or "guardian angel" from the Judeo-Christian theology is too often romanticized and imposed on Diablo lore. The only reason the angels tolerate humans--even Tyrael--is because of a fascination with their free will. Both sides pretty much see Sanctuary as a living weapon. If Tyrael does anything to save the world, I think it is for FAR more selfish reasons than anyone states.
I never stated anything about the soulstones, as for the come theory, I never said Tyrael was the comet either, I just stated that the comet was Tyrael's warning of the upcoming threat to mankind
Have you read the second part of the prophecy I have posted, plus the revisioned version? I believe that the Prime Evils are not tricked easily and also believe that they planned their whole plan plus the decoy plan from the beginning, when they were banished into the Sanctuary. All three Prime Evils tricked by the Engimatic Tyrael seems unlikey, plus they had the help of Izual, and don't forget Inarius who is still chained in the Burning Hells
I never stated anything about the soulstones, as for the come theory, I never said Tyrael was the comet either, I just stated that the comet was Tyrael's warning of the upcoming threat to mankind
Sorry, I should have qualified that I was not directing those at you. I was just saying that the mob mentality has been to say that Diablo and Mephisto can't return and that the meteor is Tyrael carrying a bowl of frozen Cool Whip down to save his bestest buddies in Sanctuary.
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Have you read the second part of the prophecy I have posted, plus the revisioned version?
Yessir. I see that you believe the comet is an omen from Tyrael that the second Sin War is about to begin.
One thing I need to mull over is "failing luminaries." In what way(s) are they failing? Is it because they have been driven to commit evil? Is it because they so blindly want to impose order that they overlook the damage they do and how it creates the very chaos the Burning Hells seek? Have these folks never watched Babylon 5? if I make a character named Sheridan in Diablo III, can I just tell both sides to "get the hell out of our galaxy?"
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No really, since he is the Lord of Lies, wouldn't it make sense for him to come up with a way to lie to Tyrael?
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
Well atleast we got that out of the way
What is the second part ?
"The comet carries a dark omen in its fiery being and it calls the heroes of Sanctuary to defend the mortal world against the rising powers of the Burning Hells – and even the failing luminaries of the High Heavens itself."
now this part being the 'shred of light' I was talking about
Edit: Added the second part to the OP post
I believe the comet is Tyrael warning about other angels. I don't think he is corrupted.
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Here is my decoding from the Second Part of the prophecy:
Note that DIII went through many changes since the poem was written.
To Counter 2: I used their as to group all three of the Prime Evils. Their plan we thought was just to enter Hell, but instead as a decoy into decieving the mortal heros to enter hell and defeat Diablo, giving Baal time to reach Mount Arreat. With a long distance between them, it is thanks to Tyrael that they reached Harrogath, journeyed atop Mount Arreat, and confronted baal, to only be too late.
The Prime Evils tricked the Archangel Tyrael to destroy the Worldstone, thus their defeat wasn't a total lost, or they planned the whole thing from the beginning. I shall go with the latter
To Counter 3 + 4: Alright I admit that I misunderstood the phrase here, i shall go now and decode the OP post properly now, XD
To Counter 5: I'll rephrase it, as for the Luminaries commet, I doubt angel's go corrupted, but instead drives their war against the Burning Hells onto the Sanctuary, paying no heed to mankind whatsoever
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Alright the OP post has been rephrased properly
I agree with this line of thought and the notion that Diablo had already reclaimed Hell. As we see in the cinematic after Act III of DII:
I think each Prime Evil had a clear mission.
Diablo was to overtake hell again. And I think he did it easily and quickly because nobody saw it coming. Remember how scared shitless Xazax was when he encountered Diablo in the desert of Aranoch?
As for the "final gambit" of the prophecy, I think we have to concede to Atrumentis that it refers to Baal's assault on Mt. Arreat. It comes right before the passage describing the surge from the southlands. Of course, it could refer to a plan that comes after that, too--one we have not see yet.
At this point, I think we have to declare the prophesy fulfilled in Diablo II. Each Prime Evil did the job he was best suited to do. Diablo reclaimed Hell through the sheer terror of his presence. Mephisto channeled his hatred for the Vizjeri who imprisoned him and the forces of Heaven into a stall-tactic battle against the hero. Baal headed for the Worldstone to wage a destructive war on Sanctuary.
Now, there are a couple of points I think people are hasty to assume about the end of Diablo II:
The destruction of the Soulstones will keep Diablo and Mephisto from returning to Sanctuary after the destruction of the Worldstone. Since the Worldstone simultaneously sought to shield the existance of the planet from both Hell and Heaven while controlling the powers of the Nephelem, I think the destruction of the Worldstone makes it very likely that the Prime Evils can return.
The comet is Tyrael, related to Tyrael, a fallen angel, or frozen Cool Whip. Aside from the Cool Whip theory, I am not really able to buy into any of them. Sometimes a meteor is just a meteor? I don't know. I just think the idea of "fallen angel" or "guardian angel" from the Judeo-Christian theology is too often romanticized and imposed on Diablo lore. The only reason the angels tolerate humans--even Tyrael--is because of a fascination with their free will. Both sides pretty much see Sanctuary as a living weapon. If Tyrael does anything to save the world, I think it is for FAR more selfish reasons than anyone states.
I never stated anything about the soulstones, as for the come theory, I never said Tyrael was the comet either, I just stated that the comet was Tyrael's warning of the upcoming threat to mankind
Have you read the second part of the prophecy I have posted, plus the revisioned version? I believe that the Prime Evils are not tricked easily and also believe that they planned their whole plan plus the decoy plan from the beginning, when they were banished into the Sanctuary. All three Prime Evils tricked by the Engimatic Tyrael seems unlikey, plus they had the help of Izual, and don't forget Inarius who is still chained in the Burning Hells
Yessir. I see that you believe the comet is an omen from Tyrael that the second Sin War is about to begin.
One thing I need to mull over is "failing luminaries." In what way(s) are they failing? Is it because they have been driven to commit evil? Is it because they so blindly want to impose order that they overlook the damage they do and how it creates the very chaos the Burning Hells seek? Have these folks never watched Babylon 5? if I make a character named Sheridan in Diablo III, can I just tell both sides to "get the hell out of our galaxy?"