He's not talking about a material thing though, he is talking about software. Software, which is free to recreate, unlike shorts.
Um, software is not free to recreate, we have international laws that strictly prohibit the recreation and redistribution of software. But if he got it for free, I dunno.
in honesty, actually you are not stealing... you BOUGHT the CD-KEY... you are just downloading the installer... don't worry about it...
Exxxxactly.
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in honesty, actually you are not stealing... you BOUGHT the CD-KEY... you are just downloading the installer... don't worry about it...
no he bought the software also.
i have about 3 copy's of diablo 2 and lod, because i refuse to illegally download it.
it is stealing, only because you can copy the software, doesn't mean it's llegal to download it.
like Ive said, no matter what way you spin it, it's illegal. (not downloading off of blizzard ofc)
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Um, software is not free to recreate, we have international laws that strictly prohibit the recreation and redistribution of software. But if he got it for free, I dunno.
I'm talking of the cost to replace. Shorts have to be made by hand. an ISO, however, cost nothing.
The CD key (that came with the copy you purchased) is proof of your purchase. There is no crime in downloading the game if you plan on using your legitimately obtained key.
"Theft" and "thief" are terrible words to use in this context. Stealing implies that the owner lost access to the item. With downloading, an exact replica is made.
The CD key (that came with the copy you purchased) is proof of your purchase. There is no crime in downloading the game if you plan on using your legitimately obtained key.
"Theft" and "thief" are terrible words to use in this context. Stealing implies that the owner lost access to the item. With downloading, an exact replica is made.
downloading the game, without the consent of blizzard is illegal, Very illegal actually.
it's called piracy last time i checked. seeing as how Blizzard now lets you download the game off of their official web page, he is in no way a thief.
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downloading the game, without the consent of blizzard is illegal, Very illegal actually.
it's called piracy last time i checked. seeing as how Blizzard now lets you download the game off of their official web page, he is in no way a thief.
It is perfectly legal. Circumvention of any game protections is a violation of the DMCA (aka hacking the code; key generators might even fall into this category), but if you have your own legal working key, the act of downloading is 100% legal.
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Technically yes, you are a thief. Then again, its virtual wich can never be compared with material thievery. Illigally downloading it doesn't directly substract anything from anyone, so you didn't conventionally "steal" anything, you did however deprived the companies of their money because if you could not have illigally downloaded it, you would have needed to rebuy to play again.
No, he is not a thief, not even "technically". It is perfectly legal to download the code and just have it sit there, unable to install. However, once you attempt to break that barrier, then there is a DMCA claim.
you did however deprived the companies of their money because if you could not have illigally downloaded it, you would have needed to rebuy to play again.
If you're using a key generator (or otherwise illegally obtained key), then Blizzard has a case. However, no one is obligated to purchase something they already paid for... again... That is not a right inherent to Blizzard's products (again, assuming that the person still retains his original game key). If I lose my car, I have to go buy another car because the car company loses a car in replacing my lost one. However, with digital goods, a replica is made at no loss to the creator.
It is perfectly legal. Circumvention of any game protections is a violation of the DMCA (aka hacking the code; key generators might even fall into this category), but if you have your own legal working key, the act of downloading is 100% legal.
No, he is not a thief, not even "technically". It is perfectly legal to download the code and just have it sit there, unable to install. However, once you attempt to break that barrier, then there is a DMCA claim.
i was going to read all the DMCA b/s to make a point... but nvm lol
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i could tell you now, we are both going to be arguing this same touchy subject (or similar) again.
yea. i'm very anti piracy.
=D can't wait lol.
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It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
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Yes, but then we are debating what "virtual" or "digital" goods are worth anyways, you don't directly deprive anybody of anything, but if you couldn't download it and use a keygen, then you would have had to buy it, thus you indirectly do deprive them of what is legally theirs, namely the payment in exchange of a "virtual" or "digital" good.
Its like saying if you bought a ticket to go see a concert, or whatever, but you yourself lost that ticket, then you can't simply barge into a concert with a fake ticket, even though you don't directly deprive them of anything of any "good".
You are correct. The ticket is like the game key. If you lose your key, yeah, you have to go buy it again. I totally agree with that. I'm not suggesting that if you lose your game (key and everything) you have a "right" to pirate it.
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i could tell you now, we are both going to be arguing this same touchy subject (or similar) again.
yea. i'm very anti piracy.
=D can't wait lol.
Hehehe. I am anti-piracy too. Don't get me wrong. I just have issues with certain companies criminalizing otherwise harmless behavior.
I should probably clarify to say that I have "75% legal debate resist". I don't resist the law. XD
Hehehe. I am anti-piracy too. Don't get me wrong. I just have issues with certain companies criminalizing otherwise harmless behavior.
Wow, someone used the edit button on this forum, amazing.
in this case, blizzard isn't doing anything wrong. amazingly.
they have it up to download for free, funny how it just so happen to be along with the announcement of Diablo 3. but that's neither here or there.
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I keep all my game keys in a private Google Doc. That way, I can access them anywhere, and I can recover them if I happen to lose the paper with them written down. I almost lost my Blizzard keys (all on one piece of paper) and almost died. I found it in a box in my closet and instantly created the Google Doc. XD
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And yeah, Doppelganger, I think I'll use that analogy from now on. If you still have your key but lost the game, it's like holding the ticket but being lost in a neighboring city. You gotta find the freakin' building. LOL
Sorry but there's no thief class in D2 you'll just have to dl another game
Um, software is not free to recreate, we have international laws that strictly prohibit the recreation and redistribution of software. But if he got it for free, I dunno.
Exxxxactly.
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no he bought the software also.
i have about 3 copy's of diablo 2 and lod, because i refuse to illegally download it.
it is stealing, only because you can copy the software, doesn't mean it's llegal to download it.
like Ive said, no matter what way you spin it, it's illegal. (not downloading off of blizzard ofc)
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
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I'm talking of the cost to replace. Shorts have to be made by hand. an ISO, however, cost nothing.
"Theft" and "thief" are terrible words to use in this context. Stealing implies that the owner lost access to the item. With downloading, an exact replica is made.
http://www.petitiononline.com/LANSC2/petition.html
downloading the game, without the consent of blizzard is illegal, Very illegal actually.
it's called piracy last time i checked. seeing as how Blizzard now lets you download the game off of their official web page, he is in no way a thief.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
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It is perfectly legal. Circumvention of any game protections is a violation of the DMCA (aka hacking the code; key generators might even fall into this category), but if you have your own legal working key, the act of downloading is 100% legal.
No, he is not a thief, not even "technically". It is perfectly legal to download the code and just have it sit there, unable to install. However, once you attempt to break that barrier, then there is a DMCA claim.
http://www.petitiononline.com/LANSC2/petition.html
If you're using a key generator (or otherwise illegally obtained key), then Blizzard has a case. However, no one is obligated to purchase something they already paid for... again... That is not a right inherent to Blizzard's products (again, assuming that the person still retains his original game key). If I lose my car, I have to go buy another car because the car company loses a car in replacing my lost one. However, with digital goods, a replica is made at no loss to the creator.
http://www.petitiononline.com/LANSC2/petition.html
i was going to read all the DMCA b/s to make a point... but nvm lol
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
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I have a 75% legal resist.
http://www.petitiononline.com/LANSC2/petition.html
i could tell you now, we are both going to be arguing this same touchy subject (or similar) again.
yea. i'm very anti piracy.
=D can't wait lol.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
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You are correct. The ticket is like the game key. If you lose your key, yeah, you have to go buy it again. I totally agree with that. I'm not suggesting that if you lose your game (key and everything) you have a "right" to pirate it.
Hehehe. I am anti-piracy too. Don't get me wrong. I just have issues with certain companies criminalizing otherwise harmless behavior.
I should probably clarify to say that I have "75% legal debate resist". I don't resist the law. XD
http://www.petitiononline.com/LANSC2/petition.html
Wow, someone used the edit button on this forum, amazing.
in this case, blizzard isn't doing anything wrong. amazingly.
they have it up to download for free, funny how it just so happen to be along with the announcement of Diablo 3. but that's neither here or there.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin)
~~us West Ladder~~
EDIT -- And yes, the edit button is made of win.
And yeah, Doppelganger, I think I'll use that analogy from now on. If you still have your key but lost the game, it's like holding the ticket but being lost in a neighboring city. You gotta find the freakin' building. LOL
http://www.petitiononline.com/LANSC2/petition.html