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That's quite an old plan Mac. Alot could of changed.

I think most PvM players honestly don't care much about PvP. And I don't mean that in a way that means they're hostile toward PvPers, but actually have no vested interest in it and just don't care. If this entire list comes true, I don't think many of them would object to it. And the ones who do are probably jerks, (there's jerks on both sides of this argument) If it doesn't, no skin off their teeth, they don't care. So I just don't see what it accomplishes to attack PvM players as Blizzard is the one calling the shots.

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I think most PvM players honestly don't care much about PvP. And I don't mean that in a way that means they're hostile toward PvPers, but actually have no vested interest in it and just don't care. If this entire list comes true, I don't think many of them would object to it. And the ones who do are probably jerks, (there's jerks on both sides of this argument) If you don't, no skin off their teeth, they don't care. So I just don't see what it accomplishes to attack PvM players as Blizzard is the one calling the shots.

Agreed. I am a PvM player at heart, altho I do PvP but not in PvE centric games :>.
All Iam saying is, they can add all the PvP stuff they want aslong as it doesnt interfere with the PvM aspect of the game, forgive me for this but; I do NOT want the balances for PvP to affect my character on a PvM basis, Like in wow.

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That's quite an old plan Mac. Alot could of changed.

Nope, thats what they're going with, if you keep up to date you'd know this.

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You lot should be downright gratefull to blizzard for including some kind of PvP in Diablo 3, Since it's first and foremost a player(s) vs envoirment game.

Iam not saying screw PvP but iam not saying that they should make the PvP aspect of the game an priority either, Iam just happy that they add that and I see it as an extra, and TBH if you buy D3 for the sole reason of PvP'ing, You WILL get dissapointed.

no its not, we have been killing eachother since d1. Learn your history.

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no its not, we have been killing eachother since d1. Learn your history.

Learn your history, please. The Diablo series may have always had PvP, but PvP in Diablo has always been an extra. There may have been a community for the PvP throughout, but its always been a minority compared to the PvM community. This is the first Diablo game where PvP is being given its own nitch...including matchmaking, achievements, etc. Just because people could kill each other in previous Diablo games doesn't mean it was a major feature of said games.

Mac, i think you are argueing for the sake of argueing. My dads better then yours, and so on.

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you silly low post count noobs, going hostile right off the bat. Loooveeee it.

You have proved to be... 100% troll, 100% ignorant, or just 100% stupid.

I dont think you need to be putting your nose up in the air agaisnt everything people are saying here.

And pretty much what ecutruin said.

I do enjoy PvP on most games over PvE, but these posts need to stop. It's accomplishing nothing and just floods the forums with shit-slinging, PvP will come soon™. They are also adding things and making changes to improve the PvP. Learn some patience and enjoy the game meanwhile.

Really, cause my entire YEARS of playing D1, and D2, we always had tons, and tons, and tons, of dueling games. When You looked up the server list, it was duels trading and running locations (chaos, cows etc)

1/3 of those games are not represented, the trade is being moved to GAH/RMAH

Do you KNOW the numbers of the pvp community? No you dont, you're speaking out of your ass. Until blizzard gives you a number, you speaking 110% out of your ass.

also im not putting my nose in the air, I gave you the source, where's his saying PvE was small?

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Really, cause my entire YEARS of playing D1, and D2, we always had tons, and tons, and tons, of dueling games. When You looked up the server list, it was duels trading and running locations (chaos, cows etc)

1/3 of those games are not represented, the trade is being moved to GAH/RMAH

Do you KNOW the numbers of the pvp community? No you dont, you're speaking out of your ass. Until blizzard gives you a number, you speaking 110% out of your ass.

No, I'm speaking from experience. The majority of games the last time I was on Diablo 2 the majority of the games were still PvM. Trist runs, Cow runs, Baal runs, MF runs, Fresh play-throughs, etc. Did I ever say that dueling and PvP didn't exist in D1/D2? No, I don't believe that I did. What I did say (which is the truth) is that the focus of the Diablo series has always been PvM.

Why the insulting and rage? I'm not insulting you. I'm just explaining the situation from my perspective, based on Blizzard's statements, my personal experience, and my observations from the community. Perhaps you can try being rational and explaining why your opinions would lead to a better game/community?

This attitude that many of the PvP crowd seem to have is a perfect example of why many of us in the PvM crowd do not want to see more competitive features added to the game. eSports have fostered this elitism and entitlement among PvP players that creates a very negative environment. I love watching various eSports commentators, however, I don't like dealing with a lot of the community it has created.

You're still talking from your self experience, trying to pass it off as truth, that's the problem. You said the PvP community is small, you dont have those numbers to back it up, and because it's small it doesnt get the attention that it deserves.

You think PvP is the reason there is elitism?

Gearscore? Harsh raid recruitment, trolling, flaming ALL happen within pve as well.

"Oh that lock cant pull xxxxxx dps, fuck that scrub, kick him"

^ something that occurs everyday, EVERYDAY in PvE. Abuse of vote kick, and raid lead, happens PURELY on PvE. The PvE crowd looks in the mirror and can only see perfection. Apparently we made you guys assholes and elitists? Cause gearscore and DPS meters came from PvP players?

hah, hahahaha that's laughable. Competitive features? Guess what, your PvE crowd invented a vast majority of them. All we want to do is kill eachother, and want rankings, that's it.

You think this same sort of elitism wont occur in PvM? You've lost your mind. People will vote kick ( if they add it ) or just leave games because someone is bringing them down. When someone joins, shit gets harder, if they dont help you, you're going to stay and die? No, most will leave, rage, tell them off, vote kick etc etc. But, thats only because PvP players fostered this growth of hate right?

Diablo is about killing monsters, killing each other, and trading. If you cant support those 3 things, it is NOT diablo. This apparently leads to all the PvM'ers raging saying "JUST CAUSE I DIDNT KILL PLAYERS, THAT MEANS PVP IS NOT A INTEGRAL PART OF DIABLO".
^Dat logic.

The problem is, I defend your right to kill monsters, you don't defend my right to kill players. Then you insult us as a whole, saying we are some necrotic force on gaming. Which is just pathetic.

The only "minority" blizzard refers to in discussion of PvP is the hardcore PvP players. That's it. jay Wilson wants to support them too.

I never said that PvE in other games is perfect. However, I can say that in Diablo 3...PvM doesn't have those features anyways. So, where's your argument there? However, the PvP features you desire DO create such elitist behavior as well. So I'd honestly rather they stay out of the game as well. Blizzard seems to agree with me from what they've said.

As for speaking from my experience...what would you have me do? Yes, from my experience, the PvM crowd in the Diablo series has always been the majority. Seems to ring true for many others that have posted, hence my confidence. In addition, others have stated that Blizzard had done polls to find out this exact issue. However, I myself cannot seem to locate them. Since many others that have been rational have stated these polls sided with PvM and my experience says PvM is the majority...it makes sense that I'd be confident that I'm right in this regard.

As a compromise though, how about a feature to allow a player to see their own individual matchmaking ranking? You wouldn't be able to see anyone else's ranking...but you would be able to judge how well you are doing compared to everyone in general. This allows people to have a personal sense of accomplishment while not allowing them to hold it over others, fair deal?

I just explained to you how they do exist in d3

You think this same sort of elitism wont occur in PvM? You've lost your mind. People will vote kick ( if they add it ) or just leave games because someone is bringing them down. When someone joins, shit gets harder, if they dont help you, you're going to stay and die? No, most will leave, rage, tell them off, vote kick etc etc. But, thats only because PvP players fostered this growth of hate right?

Further in D2 there was a ladder, a ranking system that fostered the competitive nature of the game.

If you think having a ladder, or a ranking system leads to elitist behaviour, then there is no point continuing this conversation with you.

It creates competition, how an individual acts or behaves is their own doing. The creation of an in game ladder does not MAKE an individual an elitist asshole, the elitist asshole makes himself an elitist asshole.

I was in school, and I had to get a certain % to pass, I got a 71, and because of that I'm now a serial killer.

^ makes about as much sense as, a video game has a ranking system, so because of that I'm an elitist asshole.

The logic train has left the station for you, and that shit derailed.

All PvP players want is the ability to PvP and a ranking system, for competition, to see where in the global scheme of things we are. If you're the best PvP team in the world for 3's in D3, that would be a cool thing to know. How that group wears the crown of best pvp team is up to them, just because they are the best doesnt mean they have to act like elitist assholes. that call is up to them. Just because there is a ranking system, doesnt make them elitist assholes.

Further, most top tier pro players, are not assholes, are extremely informative, and are very helpful when you talk to them, and they wear the crowns. When you become a top tier player you enter a respect club for the most part, there are very few "Idra" players in the top tier scene.

and if you dont know who Idra is, he is a top tier sc2 player who rages, calls everyone retarded, when he gets stomped by toss or terran he calls it imbalanced, when he plays ZvZ he calls it stupid, and has a history of not being able to control his rage to the point where he will leave games, that he has actually won. He is just your general elitist, raging idiot. Pro players ( a long with everyone else except Idra fanboys ) make fun of him all the time for his attitude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-kBxbbtYZc

^ for reference

Iam just going to leave it at you're missing the point dude.

World PvP? Wtf is that? There are arenas now. Duelling outside Act 1 like in D2 is fun in your opinion? In my opinion it is utter rubbish, also it wouldn't look good thanks to area designs. Elitism in your ass.

Points like ranked ladders should be obvious to Blizz, that's all what pvp needs in D3 to please the pvprs.

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World PvP? Wtf is that? There are arenas now. Duelling outside Act 1 like in D2 is fun in your opinion? In my opinion it is utter rubbish, also it wouldn't look good thanks to area designs. Elitism in your ass.

Points like ranked ladders should be obvious to Blizz, that's all what pvp needs in D3 to please the pvprs.

Apparently it is. Let me present you with this scenario: you're playing with a RL friend, spend two or three hours grinding away at Inferno; you're about ready to quit for the day, but you feel like smacking each other about for a little bit. Why shouldn't it be possible for you two to either toggle a switch or go to an area flagged for PvP? I'm not into PvP, but I don't see why that shouldn't be in the game. As long as it can't be used for griefing, I'm all for it.

Just a couple of things. First one, why not hostility mode? Since you can create your own games and you can put a password if you want...what is bothering you about that? If u don't want to u don't have to. It's easy.
Second one; I really don't know why you people want clans in this game. In wow yes (you need a lot of people to make the raid for the isntances) but here? Knowing that in a game the maximum number of players is 4? Just add friends if you want. I don't see the need for any clan for any reason.

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Just a couple of things. First one, why not hostility mode? Since you can create your own games and you can put a password if you want...what is bothering you about that? If u don't want to u don't have to. It's easy.

What if I WANT random people to join my game but DON'T WANT some douchy PvP griefer to come in and waste everyone's time? Your solution is either "play alone" or "put up with the griefing". That's not a solution. The only way I can see this working is if there is a "Enable PvP" tick box when you create a game. That way you know what you're getting yourself into.

Your solution is votekick, which was in beta at one point, but didnt work. I havent looked into, or heard any word on that system in recent times. Guess we find out at launch.

You remove a PvP griefer, the same way you remove a PvE one, the boot.