I never played D2, but I browse these forums a lot and I know that the more dedicated Diablo fans were really disappointed with how far off D3 was. It was helpful, from my perspective, to hear the actually differences and reasons discussed in detail.
I know that the more dedicated Diablo fans were really disappointed with how far off D3 was.
The more dedicated fans? I think you mean the fans that cry and whine about not getting the best game in the universe. The more dedicated fans are the ones that may have been disappointed but still stay to this day and will keep playing. If you stopped playing because it's too different from Diablo 2 then good riddance.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
As I am listening to your video, I have to agree with everything you guys say. One of the biggest problems with Diablo 3 is the team working on Diablo it self because they are not experienced in ARPGs, also fuck jay wilson. Another thing that made Diablo 2 a great game was the stats you could add every level and the skill trees.
Also keep this in mind though Diablo 2 had its share of problems; however, they were addressed over time and Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction is when the game shined the most. But you know what? Diablo 2 before the Lord of Destruction was still in a better shape than Diablo 3.
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ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THIS! The quests holy shit man, the quests in Diablo 1, Diablo 2, Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction, they all gave unique rewards in terms of items, gems/runes (hell forge runs), consumable scroll that increased resistances. In Diablo 3 they give us gold.......
The fucking horadric cube niggas! need I explain more!?
hmmm. interesting perspective. I fell away from diablo 2 as i was in high school and didn't have time. Maybe i need to revisit to make my own judgement.
I do have to say that Diablo 3 is not "finished" and a good fan base than continues to challenge the engineers is pretty unique and awesome. My advice: don't give up on the game continue with the constructive feedback and changes will happen. Nice review.
My biggest gripe doesnt compare to what you guys are talking about....I just am pissed that they have fear proc on EF. WTF WTF
Thanks for all the replies. I will continue to play and cover D3 - love the franchise, but felt it was important to get these ideas out. Fair criticism etc to help improve the game. More coming in part 2, and we fixed the audio Cheers 0/
I know that the more dedicated Diablo fans were really disappointed with how far off D3 was.
The more dedicated fans? I think you mean the fans that cry and whine about not getting the best game in the universe. The more dedicated fans are the ones that may have been disappointed but still stay to this day and will keep playing. If you stopped playing because it's too different from Diablo 2 then good riddance.
...what?
Gotta love that bit in bold.
On the video: I share most of the views expressed on it. From the poor loot throughout the game, to the ever-present AH, to the degeneration of this game into a glorified spreadsheet.
Okay I've read what I posted a couple of times and yes what I said was a bit silly. I'm not even going to tryr and say it again because I'll probably just make it worse haha
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
I agree to a point, but I'd like to see Diablo 3 become great for it's own reasons. I will always have great memories of playing D2, but if I wanted to play D2 again that's what I would do. I want to play D3, but I admit that it has it's faults. I think Torchlight 2 offered a lot more unique and fun moments.
I know that the more dedicated Diablo fans were really disappointed with how far off D3 was.
The more dedicated fans? I think you mean the fans that cry and whine about not getting the best game in the universe. The more dedicated fans are the ones that may have been disappointed but still stay to this day and will keep playing. If you stopped playing because it's too different from Diablo 2 then good riddance.
I stay away from D3 because it is not a good game at the moment. D2 was not perfect but at least it was very fun for me. And if you include the mods for D2 then I have had even more fun.
The item hunt is really boring in D3. The combat part is alright but the rewards are just not worth it. In D2 you got tonnes of garbage but there was a lot more variety in the affixes for gear and sometimes those items will make an interesting build. I found when Playing D3 the items are just stat sticks to boost damage, life, etc. Why bother with the hunt when you can just buy from the AH. I found with D3 after finishing Normal with one character the enjoyment went away. I never got the feeling of losing the track of time when playing. Matter of fact it was almost the opposite it felt like I was playing the game longer than I was.
Part of being a dedicated fan is to express your feelings for the game both good and bad. A dedicated fan does not have to continue to play the game if they do not like the game but loved the other games.
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I agree to a point, but I'd like to see Diablo 3 become great for it's own reasons. I will always have great memories of playing D2, but if I wanted to play D2 again that's what I would do. I want to play D3, but I admit that it has it's faults. I think Torchlight 2 offered a lot more unique and fun moments.
All Blizzard needs to focus on (after PvP) is Crafting, bring back the Mystic and socketing, possibly tweak the elemental properties of the gear. (maybe buff the lesser affixes for itemization) Also, take all of the lower level Legendary's, and have a Inferno scaled version ilvl61+.
As far as end game goes, once they have PvP, Diablo 3 will have faaaaaaaar more end game then any other Diablo game ever made.
If they want to be super awesome, they could add a "Endless dungeon" in Act 4, but that would require a lot of work.
One of the biggest problems with Diablo 3 is the team working on Diablo it self because they are not experienced in ARPGs, also fuck jay wilson.
Well I'd say they are doing one hell of a good job. Diablo 3 is still 3rd most played RPG after WOW, and a little behind GW. I've been playing since launch and I still really enjoy playing the game even with pvp not out yet. But I agree that there are many things that could use improvements and polishing. Luckily they are still working to make improvements so we know they are coming at some point. Imo people should keep giving more constructive feedback. I'm quite tired of every gaming forum of any game most of the posts are just whining and not giving any real feedback. Hopefully that would change at some point so it would be fun to read forums and see different ideas and improvements people come up with.
EDIT: forgot to ask from the OP that you said you wanted end game content. What end game content you would want because I'm not sure what would people want to add? You said that not MMOPRG type of content but then what would you want? For me, I enjoy the farming and killing ubers (and maybe pvp when it comes) which I think is the end game of diablo
Hi and thanks for posting. I woud love to see more depth to the itemization and character building. For example, paragon is ag reat start, but it is kind of 2-dimensional. It also adds farming stats and magic find for a game that needs more itemization to be end game ready. For example, runes words, charms, and the like would be a fantastic addition that would add a ton to the game. It does not have to be exactly like D2, but that same kind of meta-game idea. The meta-game needs work.
I would love to see some better ways to build characters in a deeper way, as the removal of stat points and finding runes for skills, left a bit of a gap. I would also like to see PvP, of course, and I think more unique uber type encounters would be great. I think they could revamp crafting and create a massive amount of fun around high end crafting systems. It is not that the game lacks the base foundation for end game systems, rather just the implementation. I believe we will see much of this in future patches/expansion, and I look forward to it. I hope the criticism lends itself to helping shape that progress.
I do want to say clearly again, I love Diablo and the franchise, including D3. I want to see it go from strength to strength, and I want to be a constructive part of the feedback loop. Settling for good is a shame, when we could achieve something great.
Thanks for watching, part 2 is uploading now. Follow me on Twitter @redteamgaming for updates on when new shows go live and news etc. Cheers 0/
Very very nice video. I share most of your thoughts. I played D2 a lot (and D3) and I ended up with almost the same conclusions.
I agree with that fact that Whimeshire is an insult to the players (or even to the game franchise like your said). It’s like if they said, “ok so you want something hidden and secret: TAKE THAT, and next time don’t even bother us with something secret because it’s gonna be even worst and useless!...” That’s how I feel.
It’s like if they didn’t understand the meaning of The secret Cow level. It wasn't just a place or something minor in D2 (or D1 as I remember trying to find that place when I was a little kid). I mean, the secret Cow level, was an epic place to level up, to farm, it was also a great reason to group up (cow runs!), a funny place where deadly cows with axes were tyring to kill and surrend you while mooo mooooing. I mean, it was genius. And now what… Ponies and rainbows? Seriously? When I first entered the whimeshire level, I wan’t having a good time, I was pretty angry. Ponies and Rainbow in a DIABLO world where demon are trying to take over the world!!!! Anyway, you got my point.
I would like to suggest you 3 other subjects. The first one is crafting. I mean, you know as much as I do that this system is useless and could be much more important in the game. I like the design of it but its useless at the moment… Another thing is…. GAMBLING!! Hehe. Ok I have to admit that gambling in D1/D2 wasn’t a big functionality but… why removing it? Once in a while, I liked to gamble some rings or amulet in D2 just for the triiilll of getting a soj or something. And the last thing, And I think you should really cover that in part 2 is BattleNet. Why can’t we name our game like we used to do in D2? Why can’t I choose the game I want to join. I mean I would join a game named “Act2 Key fast run 001!” Now what, I have to talk in a channel of 100 persons (wtf!?! 2012…) and Hope someone is down for an act 2 key warden run. What are the odds? I have a lot to say on that topic but I’ll let you discuss it first and I’ll add my comments.
Anyway, I’m still enjoying D3 but there’s so much place for improvement. Im just trying to help J
Very very nice video. I share most of your thoughts. I played D2 a lot (and D3) and I ended up with almost the same conclusions.
I agree with that fact that Whimeshire is an insult to the players (or even to the game franchise like your said). It’s like if they said, “ok so you want something hidden and secret: TAKE THAT, and next time don’t even bother us with something secret because it’s gonna be even worst and useless!...” That’s how I feel.
It’s like if they didn’t understand the meaning of The secret Cow level. It wasn't just a place or something minor in D2 (or D1 as I remember trying to find that place when I was a little kid). I mean, the secret Cow level, was an epic place to level up, to farm, it was also a great reason to group up (cow runs!), a funny place where deadly cows with axes were tyring to kill and surrend you while mooo mooooing. I mean, it was genius. And now what… Ponies and rainbows? Seriously? When I first entered the whimeshire level, I wan’t having a good time, I was pretty angry. Ponies and Rainbow in a DIABLO world where demon are trying to take over the world!!!! Anyway, you got my point.
I would like to suggest you 3 other subjects. The first one is crafting. I mean, you know as much as I do that this system is useless and could be much more important in the game. I like the design of it but its useless at the moment… Another thing is…. GAMBLING!! Hehe. Ok I have to admit that gambling in D1/D2 wasn’t a big functionality but… why removing it? Once in a while, I liked to gamble some rings or amulet in D2 just for the triiilll of getting a soj or something. And the last thing, And I think you should really cover that in part 2 is BattleNet. Why can’t we name our game like we used to do in D2? Why can’t I choose the game I want to join. I mean I would join a game named “Act2 Key fast run 001!” Now what, I have to talk in a channel of 100 persons (wtf!?! 2012…) and Hope someone is down for an act 2 key warden run. What are the odds? I have a lot to say on that topic but I’ll let you discuss it first and I’ll add my comments.
Anyway, I’m still enjoying D3 but there’s so much place for improvement. Im just trying to help J
Thanks for this awesome input. Much appreciated, and I think you will see some new shows that those you recommend coming soon.
I wanted to share with you a video on the state of Diablo 3, done in an interview/discussion format. Check out part 1:
Let us know what you think of the current state of the game, and join in for part 2, when we discuss class specifics.
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I never played D2, but I browse these forums a lot and I know that the more dedicated Diablo fans were really disappointed with how far off D3 was. It was helpful, from my perspective, to hear the actually differences and reasons discussed in detail.
Thanks!
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Ha. Bagstone.
haha lol, I never heard that one before. I grew up in Ireland, so I have a weird accent. Thanks for watching Cheers 0/
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
It was more of a reply to the OP. :>
Ha. Bagstone.
Also keep this in mind though Diablo 2 had its share of problems; however, they were addressed over time and Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction is when the game shined the most. But you know what? Diablo 2 before the Lord of Destruction was still in a better shape than Diablo 3.
edit:
ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THIS! The quests holy shit man, the quests in Diablo 1, Diablo 2, Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction, they all gave unique rewards in terms of items, gems/runes (hell forge runs), consumable scroll that increased resistances. In Diablo 3 they give us gold.......
The fucking horadric cube niggas! need I explain more!?
I do have to say that Diablo 3 is not "finished" and a good fan base than continues to challenge the engineers is pretty unique and awesome. My advice: don't give up on the game continue with the constructive feedback and changes will happen. Nice review.
My biggest gripe doesnt compare to what you guys are talking about....I just am pissed that they have fear proc on EF. WTF WTF
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
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I stay away from D3 because it is not a good game at the moment. D2 was not perfect but at least it was very fun for me. And if you include the mods for D2 then I have had even more fun.
The item hunt is really boring in D3. The combat part is alright but the rewards are just not worth it. In D2 you got tonnes of garbage but there was a lot more variety in the affixes for gear and sometimes those items will make an interesting build. I found when Playing D3 the items are just stat sticks to boost damage, life, etc. Why bother with the hunt when you can just buy from the AH. I found with D3 after finishing Normal with one character the enjoyment went away. I never got the feeling of losing the track of time when playing. Matter of fact it was almost the opposite it felt like I was playing the game longer than I was.
Part of being a dedicated fan is to express your feelings for the game both good and bad. A dedicated fan does not have to continue to play the game if they do not like the game but loved the other games.
This is an excellent point that I agree with 100%
As far as end game goes, once they have PvP, Diablo 3 will have faaaaaaaar more end game then any other Diablo game ever made.
If they want to be super awesome, they could add a "Endless dungeon" in Act 4, but that would require a lot of work.
Hi and thanks for posting. I woud love to see more depth to the itemization and character building. For example, paragon is ag reat start, but it is kind of 2-dimensional. It also adds farming stats and magic find for a game that needs more itemization to be end game ready. For example, runes words, charms, and the like would be a fantastic addition that would add a ton to the game. It does not have to be exactly like D2, but that same kind of meta-game idea. The meta-game needs work.
I would love to see some better ways to build characters in a deeper way, as the removal of stat points and finding runes for skills, left a bit of a gap. I would also like to see PvP, of course, and I think more unique uber type encounters would be great. I think they could revamp crafting and create a massive amount of fun around high end crafting systems. It is not that the game lacks the base foundation for end game systems, rather just the implementation. I believe we will see much of this in future patches/expansion, and I look forward to it. I hope the criticism lends itself to helping shape that progress.
I do want to say clearly again, I love Diablo and the franchise, including D3. I want to see it go from strength to strength, and I want to be a constructive part of the feedback loop. Settling for good is a shame, when we could achieve something great.
Thanks for watching, part 2 is uploading now. Follow me on Twitter @redteamgaming for updates on when new shows go live and news etc. Cheers 0/
I agree with that fact that Whimeshire is an insult to the players (or even to the game franchise like your said). It’s like if they said, “ok so you want something hidden and secret: TAKE THAT, and next time don’t even bother us with something secret because it’s gonna be even worst and useless!...” That’s how I feel.
It’s like if they didn’t understand the meaning of The secret Cow level. It wasn't just a place or something minor in D2 (or D1 as I remember trying to find that place when I was a little kid). I mean, the secret Cow level, was an epic place to level up, to farm, it was also a great reason to group up (cow runs!), a funny place where deadly cows with axes were tyring to kill and surrend you while mooo mooooing. I mean, it was genius. And now what… Ponies and rainbows? Seriously? When I first entered the whimeshire level, I wan’t having a good time, I was pretty angry. Ponies and Rainbow in a DIABLO world where demon are trying to take over the world!!!! Anyway, you got my point.
I would like to suggest you 3 other subjects. The first one is crafting. I mean, you know as much as I do that this system is useless and could be much more important in the game. I like the design of it but its useless at the moment… Another thing is…. GAMBLING!! Hehe. Ok I have to admit that gambling in D1/D2 wasn’t a big functionality but… why removing it? Once in a while, I liked to gamble some rings or amulet in D2 just for the triiilll of getting a soj or something. And the last thing, And I think you should really cover that in part 2 is BattleNet. Why can’t we name our game like we used to do in D2? Why can’t I choose the game I want to join. I mean I would join a game named “Act2 Key fast run 001!” Now what, I have to talk in a channel of 100 persons (wtf!?! 2012…) and Hope someone is down for an act 2 key warden run. What are the odds? I have a lot to say on that topic but I’ll let you discuss it first and I’ll add my comments.
Anyway, I’m still enjoying D3 but there’s so much place for improvement. Im just trying to help J
Thanks for this awesome input. Much appreciated, and I think you will see some new shows that those you recommend coming soon.
Cheers 0/
State of Diablo Part 2: Classes
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