Community manager Brandy Camel aka Nevalistis knew what is coming back in August and enjoyed it - she wrote it herself here:
Posted by Windigo: I must say Nevalistis seemed very excited and pleased that she could make such a welcome announcement to the Diablo fans after the many months of total silence.
Nevalistis @ Windigo: You have no idea.
Also, this is the same CM that wrote "REKT" to the Diablo fans after Blizzcon 2016.
I am only stating the facts in this thread - kind of a way to know her better.
"We've been working on something incredible for quite some time that we've all been dying (pun mostly intended) to share with you all." - Nevalistis, blizzcon 2016
See this is why most of us get pissed off. It's like we're in the twilight zone where 'the forges are hot here at blizzard' equals a phone game, and working on 'something incredible for QUITE SOME TIME' equals a 15$ class.
The REKT response came after all people expected a Diablo expansion due to the Necro wallpaper released a few days before Blizzcon and we got a DLC. Sure, those three people she quoted predicted nothing for Diablo this year, but then REKT is not a proper response since we did not get THAT much to say REKT. Her wording was clearly towards the whole community and in that case it totally made sense - we got rekt for not getting that expansion.
About her reply to Windigo: There are no interpretations here - the CM knew what projects are to be announced and her wording can't be viewed by different angels. You are simply clueless if you defend her here. My bump in that thread got 50+ likes for a few minutes, because the other people are not blind like you are, Abob.
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.
head0r, its a sensible stance to take.... in a perfect world, but this isnt a perfect world and this disgusting mob of bandwagon jumping, immaturity, and toxic part-time keyboard warriors that likes to think of itself as part of the wider more level-headed community are all too happy to disregard the fact that this is indeed just one of a number of projects, would you still be so keen to jump ship if you also had full knowledge and experience of the other games that were in development?
Because yes i agree Immortal alone might, MIGHT (if i was holding the CM position) have me looking for a different position, but it isnt alone, and at this point, work on new games is confirmed, and in those circumstances im not so sure this is something worth resigning over. For me its more a chance for someone much higher and more representative of Blizzard as a whole to step forward. make the necessary apology and follow it up with some genuine, tangible restraint and reigning in of the companys ego, which at this moment in time is talking a much better game than it is actually creating, since reskin remaster and rebrand is all thats on offer.
Nick, if you were trying to link something, it didnt work.
we don't know and it isn't confirmed that there is a "real" diablo game in the works. we know of a d4 rumour, we know of the rumour two game directors they already went through and with that the two alleged reboots. therefore we can assume that a new, "real" diablo game won't hit us until at least 2022. 2024 would be more realistic if we extend the timeline of D3 announcement and release by two plausible years.
that is six years from now on, IF they can re-staff enough and IF they manage to attach some new good names for a rather hated-upon franchise at the moment. who wants to be the successor of 'fuck that loser' wilson and 'we LOVE diablo' cheng?
also, these "projects" they talk about? comics got cancelled, book delayed (cancelled too?), netflix series maybe in the works. what if all this stuff postpones d4 announcement to the 25th anniversary and release to the 30th? hopefully they return to d3 for a change and develop ANYTHING in this wreck.
It is confirmed now (there were no plans to announce D4 at Blizzcon 2018), Abob, the more you defend the CM, the bigger idiot you will look like. She very well knew D4 won't be announced this year and nevertheless made the "You have no idea" comment.
(...) immaturity, and toxic part-time keyboard warriors that likes to think of itself as part of the wider more level-headed community are all too happy to disregard the fact that this is indeed just one of a number of projects, would you still be so keen to jump ship if you also had full knowledge and experience of the other games that were in development?
Because yes i agree Immortal alone might, MIGHT (if i was holding the CM position) have me looking for a different position, but it isnt alone, and at this point, work on new games is confirmed, and in those circumstances im not so sure this is something worth resigning over. For me its more a chance for someone much higher and more representative of Blizzard as a whole to step forward. make the necessary apology and follow it up with some genuine, tangible restraint and reigning in of the companys ego, which at this moment in time is talking a much better game than it is actually creating, since reskin remaster and rebrand is all thats on offer.
Please show me any Blizzard statement saying other Diablo games, besides that mobile aberration, are being developed.
(...) immaturity, and toxic part-time keyboard warriors that likes to think of itself as part of the wider more level-headed community are all too happy to disregard the fact that this is indeed just one of a number of projects, would you still be so keen to jump ship if you also had full knowledge and experience of the other games that were in development?
Because yes i agree Immortal alone might, MIGHT (if i was holding the CM position) have me looking for a different position, but it isnt alone, and at this point, work on new games is confirmed, and in those circumstances im not so sure this is something worth resigning over. For me its more a chance for someone much higher and more representative of Blizzard as a whole to step forward. make the necessary apology and follow it up with some genuine, tangible restraint and reigning in of the companys ego, which at this moment in time is talking a much better game than it is actually creating, since reskin remaster and rebrand is all thats on offer.
Please show me any Blizzard statement saying other Diablo games, besides that mobile aberration, are being developed.
Allan Adham and Wyatt Cheng have stated that they work for other PC related Diablo Stuff in an Interview.
(...) immaturity, and toxic part-time keyboard warriors that likes to think of itself as part of the wider more level-headed community are all too happy to disregard the fact that this is indeed just one of a number of projects, would you still be so keen to jump ship if you also had full knowledge and experience of the other games that were in development?
Because yes i agree Immortal alone might, MIGHT (if i was holding the CM position) have me looking for a different position, but it isnt alone, and at this point, work on new games is confirmed, and in those circumstances im not so sure this is something worth resigning over. For me its more a chance for someone much higher and more representative of Blizzard as a whole to step forward. make the necessary apology and follow it up with some genuine, tangible restraint and reigning in of the companys ego, which at this moment in time is talking a much better game than it is actually creating, since reskin remaster and rebrand is all thats on offer.
Please show me any Blizzard statement saying other Diablo games, besides that mobile aberration, are being developed.
Allan Adham and Wyatt Cheng have stated that they work for other PC related Diablo Stuff in an Interview.
On the interview they said the company is currently working on multiple unannounced Diablo projects for die-hard PC fans.
Those projects are not necessarily new games. They could be anything.
Nevalistis said the exact same thing a while back on that video about new projects being on the works, and here we are with nothing but disappointment.
I think people should remove the rose-tinted glasses and stop building expectations on everything blizzard says.
(...) immaturity, and toxic part-time keyboard warriors that likes to think of itself as part of the wider more level-headed community are all too happy to disregard the fact that this is indeed just one of a number of projects, would you still be so keen to jump ship if you also had full knowledge and experience of the other games that were in development?
Because yes i agree Immortal alone might, MIGHT (if i was holding the CM position) have me looking for a different position, but it isnt alone, and at this point, work on new games is confirmed, and in those circumstances im not so sure this is something worth resigning over. For me its more a chance for someone much higher and more representative of Blizzard as a whole to step forward. make the necessary apology and follow it up with some genuine, tangible restraint and reigning in of the companys ego, which at this moment in time is talking a much better game than it is actually creating, since reskin remaster and rebrand is all thats on offer.
Please show me any Blizzard statement saying other Diablo games, besides that mobile aberration, are being developed.
Allan Adham and Wyatt Cheng have stated that they work for other PC related Diablo Stuff in an Interview.
On the interview they said the company is currently working on multiple unannounced Diablo projects for die-hard PC fans.
Those projects are not necessarily new games. They could be anything.
Nevalistis said the exact same thing a while back on that video about new projects being on the works, and here we are with nothing but disappointment.
I think people should remove the rose-tinted glasses and stop building expectations on everything blizzard says.
Of course it does not say that, but also neither the other. Everything Blizz is saying after the Immortal fiasco is to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
speaking of witch (pun, you know): is this how it is going to be? they absolutely alienate their playerbase "PC" at blizzcon to merge "PC" with "MOBILE" on the day of the release for more "CONSOLE" (funny thing is, that DI won't run on a mobile platform like the switch), only to find themselves get shat on, have their stocks crash and thousands of diablo players only want answers or at the very least some communication.
instead of going into full damage recovery, they let aforementioned CM brood over an answer to the community for three full days and let her release a weak "we hear you". they still want feedback on top of the past three years of feedback after RoS went stale and *poof* she vanishes. her post history as a blue CM is strange indeed, after may 2018 you barely get one page worthy of replies to any matters (including someone asking where the blues are):
so, the backlash came and went. it is still burning, no one is talking and blizzards conference call sends more mobile signs. if everybody would stop being angry with blizzard at this point, nothing would happen until DI release. they would just be happy that all the anger died down. is this really the way you want to solve this situation? is this everything we get TWELVE DAYS after blizzcon?
oh and let us not forget this great picture floating around where netease tells blizzard how they should monetize DI:
if it is the same as with every other game with stacking item upgrades, you would then buy your upgrades with a chance of failure which can be lowered with store-bought items. it is not set in stone that this will come to pass in the western markets, but it speaks volumes.
where are we at now, don't we deserve anything anymore?
Targeting specific employees by name should be unacceptable and unforgivable. Blizzard as a company made the decisions regarding Immortal, not Nevalistis, and not any other single employee.
Not entirely true. They are not 100% exempt of responsibility just because the decisions are made by Blizzard as a company.
Each one of those people represent Blizzard and they should think very carefully before using social media.
So yes, they are still responsible for the crap they say on social media.
But they shouldn't be blamed individually for all screw ups Blizzard has done recently, so I agree with you to a certain degree.
Targeting specific employees by name should be unacceptable and unforgivable. Blizzard as a company made the decisions regarding Immortal, not Nevalistis, and not any other single employee.
Since the average Diablo player is old enough to have played at least 2 of the games, were talking about people in their mid 20s at least, and frankly those few people in their mid-20s unable to understand the basics of job description would also be unable to understand how a computer works, so we ALL have enough intelligence to understand the separation between company and employee responsibility. Its not fucking rocket-science, whether you like her or not Nevalistis is employed to inform, spin and hype. So to those attacking her personally, take a break from the pathetic impotent keyboard warrior trolling, and allow that testosterone high from your perceived personal sleight to dissipate then maybe you can think clearly enough to take part in a conversation that leads to something constructive rather than just seeking support for your own false-convictions.
you are totally right and i would count the lazy pun as more of a friendly jab. but the rest i've said isn't against the devs. it isn't against nevalistis. it IS against the community manager job. that job is done poorly, very poorly. the CM is the liaison between the playerbase and whatever is on blizzards side.
- we have five posts on May 1.
- two posts on May 2.
+ 28 days +
- one post on May 30.
+ 70 days +
- two posts on Aug 8, the day of the hype video.
+ 54 days +
- one post on Oct 1.
+ 37 days +
- two posts. one generic about forum stuff, one is the quick word from blizzard
when i look at blues from WoW.. yeah, we have a very inactive CM position. again, it is the CM and not the person. if the CM isn't given anything to work with, the CM cannot post it. should the CM engage more, especially after this blizzcon? what do you think? should the CM try to fan the flames somehow, anyhow? at least SOMEHOW give us the feeling that this isn't the light at the end of the tunnel? or worse, the light from a brighter, more mobile future as it is..
i don't have anything against her. but reading about one MVP from 2013 who broke into tears and who knows as much as we do is really gruesome. not standing by the community isn't very nice in these trying times. i think we all would like to hear something. taking our feedback over the last years did nothing, maybe we could be provided with any info about multiple projects? at this point, even the smallest morsels seem to be nice..
the problem is, that she is indeed posting here and there about some switch bugs and subsequently gets attacked due to unresolved DI/D3/D4/BlizzCon issues which are still present. if she were truly silent whilst taking feedback, this whole pit of clowns would eat themselves and hate the franchise forever. blizzard, doing the math, accepts a few hundredthousands as a casualty but has millions upon millions of MAUs in the future.
they couldn't care less.
and i think this will dawn on a lot of people in the coming weeks. despite all the ruckus, we will be abandoned. we won't be heard anymore. DI forums will be full of angry d1-d3 players whom will be heavily moderated out of this world, that will die down. metacritic will see a massive spike of negativity on the first listing of DI, that will die down. then there will be silence up until the first glimpse of some majestic d4 footage and many will come back. blizzard will be best boy.
a bit terrifying, to say the least. no community should be treated this way and this is also one of the concerns of the CM. but, like you said, how would anyone get this child out of the well? what can nev post to soothe this? i wouldn't even know by now.
exactly. i enjoy a few mobile games regularly in intervals of about four hours for a few minutes. but nothing beats climbing on the gaming throne and firing up the gaming rig.
if the whole market was mobile and blizzard would defiantly stand against it with diablo - okay. time to adapt. right now it isn't a good decision without a major pc game backing the whole thing up.
as paradox as it now is, i even would have welcomed some mobile diablo action from netease probably without any afterthought if blizzard would've shown d4 before / after. really strange when you look at it now.
as paradox as it now is, i even would have welcomed some mobile diablo action from netease probably without any afterthought if blizzard would've shown d4 before / after. really strange when you look at it now.
Yeah, literally just a big 4 on a slide would have been enough for me honestly. I don't want them to fall into the trap with D3 either where they announced and showed too much stuff far too early and what we got wasn't what was originally shown/said. But literally just a "it's in the works" would have been worlds better. We all already know it's in the works at this point, anyway, and we've seen a couple interviews over the last couple weeks post-BlizzCon pretty much confirming D4 is both in the works and was meant to be announced at the con and wasn't.
I think also working out a deal where "Netease" wasn't the first thing we saw on primetime BlizzCon on the main stage before a major announcement would have been nice. Seeing a totally separate company splashed across a Blizzard convention seems like bad faith, and it felt bad to me. (Although my understanding from talking to people since is that they technically already help Blizzard with a lot of overseas stuff with some of their games.)
But literally just a "it's in the works" would have been worlds better.
That is honestly all they needed. A little hope for something they are working on. It is exactly what Bethesda did at E3. They showed their mobile game Blades, then showed a 30 second video of an environment with the words The Elder Scrolls 6 and they got hardly any backlash at all for a mobile game. We just need that slight glimpse of at least ANYTHING that is happening.
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Community manager Brandy Camel aka Nevalistis knew what is coming back in August and enjoyed it - she wrote it herself here:
Also, this is the same CM that wrote "REKT" to the Diablo fans after Blizzcon 2016.
I am only stating the facts in this thread - kind of a way to know her better.
"We've been working on something incredible for quite some time that we've all been dying (pun mostly intended) to share with you all." - Nevalistis, blizzcon 2016
See this is why most of us get pissed off. It's like we're in the twilight zone where 'the forges are hot here at blizzard' equals a phone game, and working on 'something incredible for QUITE SOME TIME' equals a 15$ class.
The REKT response came after all people expected a Diablo expansion due to the Necro wallpaper released a few days before Blizzcon and we got a DLC. Sure, those three people she quoted predicted nothing for Diablo this year, but then REKT is not a proper response since we did not get THAT much to say REKT. Her wording was clearly towards the whole community and in that case it totally made sense - we got rekt for not getting that expansion.
About her reply to Windigo: There are no interpretations here - the CM knew what projects are to be announced and her wording can't be viewed by different angels. You are simply clueless if you defend her here. My bump in that thread got 50+ likes for a few minutes, because the other people are not blind like you are, Abob.
Diablo community remembers
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.
Really unacceptable from her side.
I honestly wonder how it feels to not have dignity and to have to live with it.
Brandy Camel... you should be ashame of yourself...
You know why better than eveyone...
we don't know and it isn't confirmed that there is a "real" diablo game in the works. we know of a d4 rumour, we know of the rumour two game directors they already went through and with that the two alleged reboots. therefore we can assume that a new, "real" diablo game won't hit us until at least 2022. 2024 would be more realistic if we extend the timeline of D3 announcement and release by two plausible years.
that is six years from now on, IF they can re-staff enough and IF they manage to attach some new good names for a rather hated-upon franchise at the moment. who wants to be the successor of 'fuck that loser' wilson and 'we LOVE diablo' cheng?
also, these "projects" they talk about? comics got cancelled, book delayed (cancelled too?), netflix series maybe in the works. what if all this stuff postpones d4 announcement to the 25th anniversary and release to the 30th? hopefully they return to d3 for a change and develop ANYTHING in this wreck.
It is confirmed now (there were no plans to announce D4 at Blizzcon 2018), Abob, the more you defend the CM, the bigger idiot you will look like. She very well knew D4 won't be announced this year and nevertheless made the "You have no idea" comment.
"I must say Nevalistis seemed very excited and pleased that she could make such a welcome announcement to the Diablo fans after the many months of total silence."
Please show me any Blizzard statement saying other Diablo games, besides that mobile aberration, are being developed.
"Do you guys not have phones?"
Allan Adham and Wyatt Cheng have stated that they work for other PC related Diablo Stuff in an Interview.
On the interview they said the company is currently working on multiple unannounced Diablo projects for die-hard PC fans.
Those projects are not necessarily new games. They could be anything.
Nevalistis said the exact same thing a while back on that video about new projects being on the works, and here we are with nothing but disappointment.
I think people should remove the rose-tinted glasses and stop building expectations on everything blizzard says.
"Do you guys not have phones?"
Of course it does not say that, but also neither the other. Everything Blizz is saying after the Immortal fiasco is to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
speaking of witch (pun, you know): is this how it is going to be? they absolutely alienate their playerbase "PC" at blizzcon to merge "PC" with "MOBILE" on the day of the release for more "CONSOLE" (funny thing is, that DI won't run on a mobile platform like the switch), only to find themselves get shat on, have their stocks crash and thousands of diablo players only want answers or at the very least some communication.
instead of going into full damage recovery, they let aforementioned CM brood over an answer to the community for three full days and let her release a weak "we hear you". they still want feedback on top of the past three years of feedback after RoS went stale and *poof* she vanishes. her post history as a blue CM is strange indeed, after may 2018 you barely get one page worthy of replies to any matters (including someone asking where the blues are):
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/search?a=Nevalistis
so, the backlash came and went. it is still burning, no one is talking and blizzards conference call sends more mobile signs. if everybody would stop being angry with blizzard at this point, nothing would happen until DI release. they would just be happy that all the anger died down. is this really the way you want to solve this situation? is this everything we get TWELVE DAYS after blizzcon?
oh and let us not forget this great picture floating around where netease tells blizzard how they should monetize DI:
if it is the same as with every other game with stacking item upgrades, you would then buy your upgrades with a chance of failure which can be lowered with store-bought items. it is not set in stone that this will come to pass in the western markets, but it speaks volumes.
where are we at now, don't we deserve anything anymore?
Not entirely true. They are not 100% exempt of responsibility just because the decisions are made by Blizzard as a company.
Each one of those people represent Blizzard and they should think very carefully before using social media.
So yes, they are still responsible for the crap they say on social media.
But they shouldn't be blamed individually for all screw ups Blizzard has done recently, so I agree with you to a certain degree.
"Do you guys not have phones?"
you are totally right and i would count the lazy pun as more of a friendly jab. but the rest i've said isn't against the devs. it isn't against nevalistis. it IS against the community manager job. that job is done poorly, very poorly. the CM is the liaison between the playerbase and whatever is on blizzards side.
- we have five posts on May 1.
- two posts on May 2.
+ 28 days +
- one post on May 30.
+ 70 days +
- two posts on Aug 8, the day of the hype video.
+ 54 days +
- one post on Oct 1.
+ 37 days +
- two posts. one generic about forum stuff, one is the quick word from blizzard
when i look at blues from WoW.. yeah, we have a very inactive CM position. again, it is the CM and not the person. if the CM isn't given anything to work with, the CM cannot post it. should the CM engage more, especially after this blizzcon? what do you think? should the CM try to fan the flames somehow, anyhow? at least SOMEHOW give us the feeling that this isn't the light at the end of the tunnel? or worse, the light from a brighter, more mobile future as it is..
i don't have anything against her. but reading about one MVP from 2013 who broke into tears and who knows as much as we do is really gruesome. not standing by the community isn't very nice in these trying times. i think we all would like to hear something. taking our feedback over the last years did nothing, maybe we could be provided with any info about multiple projects? at this point, even the smallest morsels seem to be nice..
the problem is, that she is indeed posting here and there about some switch bugs and subsequently gets attacked due to unresolved DI/D3/D4/BlizzCon issues which are still present. if she were truly silent whilst taking feedback, this whole pit of clowns would eat themselves and hate the franchise forever. blizzard, doing the math, accepts a few hundredthousands as a casualty but has millions upon millions of MAUs in the future.
they couldn't care less.
and i think this will dawn on a lot of people in the coming weeks. despite all the ruckus, we will be abandoned. we won't be heard anymore. DI forums will be full of angry d1-d3 players whom will be heavily moderated out of this world, that will die down. metacritic will see a massive spike of negativity on the first listing of DI, that will die down. then there will be silence up until the first glimpse of some majestic d4 footage and many will come back. blizzard will be best boy.
a bit terrifying, to say the least. no community should be treated this way and this is also one of the concerns of the CM. but, like you said, how would anyone get this child out of the well? what can nev post to soothe this? i wouldn't even know by now.
exactly. i enjoy a few mobile games regularly in intervals of about four hours for a few minutes. but nothing beats climbing on the gaming throne and firing up the gaming rig.
if the whole market was mobile and blizzard would defiantly stand against it with diablo - okay. time to adapt. right now it isn't a good decision without a major pc game backing the whole thing up.
as paradox as it now is, i even would have welcomed some mobile diablo action from netease probably without any afterthought if blizzard would've shown d4 before / after. really strange when you look at it now.
Yeah, literally just a big 4 on a slide would have been enough for me honestly. I don't want them to fall into the trap with D3 either where they announced and showed too much stuff far too early and what we got wasn't what was originally shown/said. But literally just a "it's in the works" would have been worlds better. We all already know it's in the works at this point, anyway, and we've seen a couple interviews over the last couple weeks post-BlizzCon pretty much confirming D4 is both in the works and was meant to be announced at the con and wasn't.
I think also working out a deal where "Netease" wasn't the first thing we saw on primetime BlizzCon on the main stage before a major announcement would have been nice. Seeing a totally separate company splashed across a Blizzard convention seems like bad faith, and it felt bad to me. (Although my understanding from talking to people since is that they technically already help Blizzard with a lot of overseas stuff with some of their games.)
That is honestly all they needed. A little hope for something they are working on. It is exactly what Bethesda did at E3. They showed their mobile game Blades, then showed a 30 second video of an environment with the words The Elder Scrolls 6 and they got hardly any backlash at all for a mobile game. We just need that slight glimpse of at least ANYTHING that is happening.