It was clear Blizzard was shifting into eSports. It is the future and they will take the risk. The Overwatch League was a huge announcement. We are seeing the future of gaming. Any game that is not eSports worthy will be on Blizzards back burner. It sucks that the focus is elsewhere but eSports means big money for Blizzard.
Be happy we got something as it shows Blizzard is still aware of the game. I hope this Necromancer Pack goes well and they release more packs and continue the free content. If the eSports market takes off we may never see another Diablo game (sales figures mean nothing if it doesn't generate a regular revenue stream)
Esports is the future? I completely disagree, their dreams of the Overwatch league is laughable. The amount of money they spent on Serena Williams endorsing it they could have made a D3 expansion lol.
This was my 3rd blizzcon and its a real shame they're focusing so much on the sports aspect of it.
Pro gaming will never be as big as it is in South Korea here in America.
If selling 30+million copies doesnt make Diablo important I don't know what will. That being said, Diablo has had 0 love for years.
You can disagree all you want and hold on to the idea that eSports are not the future. It has been building the past years. They have been coverage on ESPN etc. The main holdback is more money can be made streaming. Blizzard is going to set a precendent with the Overwatch League. It is time to face the facts man. I was hyped but I am not surprised by Diablo getting little. All there time and effort is going in to eSports. As a guy with the same profile picture as you said
I won't be attending blizzcon next year as it seems they're making way to big of a deal about esports and less about their games.
"Be Happy We Got Something" they should just rename every thread to that. That statement just takes care of everything. Mad, sad, upset, etc. that we get some piddly updates that don't mean anything for the game's general design flaws? Be Happy We Got Something.
People should stop complaining about just everything.Diablo 3 got an update called RoS just to keep it alive.Then we hot some big and some minor patches to put more stuff in the game. Thats ok we said yes we want that.Today a whole new CLASS has been announced for a dead actual game and people said f***k you blizzard we wanted a D4 !!!!! Where did you see a possible D4 ???????????? From Rhykker ?? He said his opinion and yes we all wanted sth new.But you guys are lunatics and stupid.Yes stupid , you took into account an opinion and become one with it.SAID hell yeah blizzcon=D4 .
Diablo 3 goes into maintenance mode but suddenly we got a new class which means more patches more care etc. Please think about it . If you hate it , thats ok go to poe go to sth else. Just dont be so cocky about it.Everyday I see new posts about more moaning and "dissapointment".LOL.Get over it, it wont fix anything.I was dissapointed because necro pack isnt ready and wont be for about a year.....
People should stop complaining about just everything.Diablo 3 got an update called RoS just to keep it alive.Then we hot some big and some minor patches to put more stuff in the game. Thats ok we said yes we want that.Today a whole new CLASS has been announced for a dead actual game and people said f***k you blizzard we wanted a D4 !!!!! Where did you see a possible D4 ???????????? From Rhykker ?? He said his opinion and yes we all wanted sth new.But you guys are lunatics and stupid.Yes stupid , you took into account an opinion and become one with it.SAID hell yeah blizzcon=D4 .
Diablo 3 goes into maintenance mode but suddenly we got a new class which means more patches more care etc. Please think about it . If you hate it , thats ok go to poe go to sth else. Just dont be so cocky about it.Everyday I see new posts about more moaning and "dissapointment".LOL.Get over it, it wont fix anything.I was dissapointed because necro pack isnt ready and wont be for about a year.....
Thats it from me , thanks.
Ooof.... The shit posting is real
Totally agree. The Diablo fan base has been shit on. But hey, eat your shit sandwich and smile. That seems to be the response from many.
The top 10 best selling games of all times are not Esports games. Not a single one. In the top 10 best selling PC games you can find Starcraft and Counter Strike that are considered Esports...
Diablo 3 sold over 30 million copies across all platforms and it's actually in the top 10 list... I don't think that's something to be taken lightly. If every copy costs about 60$, then it totals to almost 2 billion dollars which is quite a decent number.
Obviously other games can make a lot more money but is it true that Blizzard does not want to invest in Diablo anymore? I don't think so. I think that how Blizzard views Diablo and how the "fanbase" views it are two different things.
People think that the devs don't realize that the paragon system is broken and there is no item hunt because it's too easy to get all the stuff you want adn it ends too quickly but i don't think that the devs are on the same track here. In their eyes, they are probably happy with the amount of content that D3 has at the moment. It can and has offered hundreds if not thousands of hours of gameplay per person.
Let's not forget that the game is not actually aimed at a hardcore market or at the oldschool D2 fans that really appreciate a more punishing and complex game in terms of decision making in builds and gearing up. People who are down for grinding endlessly for that chance to win the lottery and drop a Zod rune or a Tyrael's might...
Blizzard has indeed shit over us in the last few Blizzcons but to be honest, this year was a lot better than the last two. Maybe i only feel that way because this year i had absolutely no expectations...
Anyway, some people just need to let go of D3. It will never become like D2 and that's a fact. It's more aimed at a casual audience and any effort in making it more hardcore just results in extreme frustration (grinding paragon and fishing rifts...).
The franchise holds a great power which is the Diablo name. If they announce D4 or any Diablo game (Sanctuary fighting game / 3rd person action moba anyone?) and create hype around it, they can sell tens of millions of copies and later on add micro-transactions and they will be making a lot of money off of that for sure.
Also, take a look at games like Skyrim for an example... Sold a lot and by no means a failure of a game. I don't think that we can say that Blizzard is going to be Esports only because market wise it just does not make sense.
The 30M number includes diablo vanilla, reaper of souls, and combo packs. It also includes the console versions.
You will need to assume that the average sale price is actually closer to $40. You will then need to assume that at least 25% of all copies are sold NOT by blizzard (so -25% revenue).
30M * $40 = $1.2B - 25% = $900M.
Thing is - that number above is still brutally high and in reality you should assume they brought in closer to $450-500M.
Sales does not reflect a constant revenue stream. WoW for example has generated 10 billion+ in revenue in its lifetime. Overwatch league will get sponsors and competitions and live viewing with ads. There is a revenue stream in advertisements. Diablo has done nothing since RoS. Those sales numbers could skewed as well. For example subscribing to WoW for a year gave subscribers a copy. In China the game is free (microtransactions). Also an expansion is not a full price game and it was never made clear how many of those 30 million were both vanilla and RoS. The point being that 30 million sales figure was never broken down for anyone. It is clear if a game is not generating revenue it is on the back burner. The future of Diablo rests on this Necromancer Pack. If it is adopted by a lot of players then they will release more and that would be a revenue stream. If that stream keeps up the game will get more love. They know WoW is fading and they are going to have to make up that revenue stream. eSports is there chance. A sports league can generate a lot of money if successful. They are obviously preparing for the eventual demise of WoW. Diablo does not fit that model right now. If it is not obvious by the amount of love eSports has received at the previous Blizzcon's then you guys got your hopes for nothing. When you talk about fan base you are bringing home the point. The thing with Diablo is no game in the genre has rivaled it. People will cling and continually get there hopes up and be let down and the fan base will always exist until a game equal/superior to Diablo takes the hype.
Good post, pretty much agree with what you say HanSolo1884 besides the Esports thing.
All I can say is that people who are freaking are obviously very passionate about the game, but a bit too passionate to be willing to attack other members of the game they care and love about too.
Grow some acorns and just wait for the expansion that will come in the future.
Logically speaking we should receive 2 new classes and possibly 2 new acts with a shit-load of content when its made and ready to go.
Diablo isn't dead so no need for R.I.P, not like we just saw our mother died its a video game.
It will come, just hold onto your balls.
PS. Was hoping for more but, in the end I am glad what we got.
The thing is - there is the potential at least to make D3 a viable esport via top shelf pvp. I watched some amazing finals of WoW last weekend in 3v3 arena. It was damn exciting to watch. Blizz would have to really do serious balancing for D3 pvp, but why not? That winning WoW team got $120k. Amazing.
The 30M number includes diablo vanilla, reaper of souls, and combo packs. It also includes the console versions.
You will need to assume that the average sale price is actually closer to $40. You will then need to assume that at least 25% of all copies are sold NOT by blizzard (so -25% revenue).
30M * $40 = $1.2B - 25% = $900M.
Thing is - that number above is still brutally high and in reality you should assume they brought in closer to $450-500M.
Never said that it was a revenue figure but taking into consideration that the gaming industry has tens of billions of dollars circling it in a year, even the figures you presented are a decent chunk of that. The only supporting argument to the "D3 is a failure" idea is the fact that it took years of development and that possibly made it cost a lot and it possibly did not create a lot of revenue for Blizzard.
The thing is - there is the potential at least to make D3 a viable esport via top shelf pvp. I watched some amazing finals of WoW last weekend in 3v3 arena. It was damn exciting to watch. Blizz would have to really do serious balancing for D3 pvp, but why not? That winning WoW team got $120k. Amazing.
Totally agree. The original arena concept that was shown at Blizzcon 2010 i think looked decent. They just need to tone down some stuff like attack speed and CDR... Change some skills and items and try to level the playing field into a more balanced experience. I don't think it would be such a tough job that a small team couldn't tackle in a year time or so. Maybe they really don't want D3 to turn into another Esports game and they made up this stupid decision for some fucked up reason that they want to keep D3 casual, i really don't know.
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It was clear Blizzard was shifting into eSports. It is the future and they will take the risk. The Overwatch League was a huge announcement. We are seeing the future of gaming. Any game that is not eSports worthy will be on Blizzards back burner. It sucks that the focus is elsewhere but eSports means big money for Blizzard.
Be happy we got something as it shows Blizzard is still aware of the game. I hope this Necromancer Pack goes well and they release more packs and continue the free content. If the eSports market takes off we may never see another Diablo game (sales figures mean nothing if it doesn't generate a regular revenue stream)
Esports is the future? I completely disagree, their dreams of the Overwatch league is laughable. The amount of money they spent on Serena Williams endorsing it they could have made a D3 expansion lol.
This was my 3rd blizzcon and its a real shame they're focusing so much on the sports aspect of it.
Pro gaming will never be as big as it is in South Korea here in America.
If selling 30+million copies doesnt make Diablo important I don't know what will. That being said, Diablo has had 0 love for years.
You can disagree all you want and hold on to the idea that eSports are not the future. It has been building the past years. They have been coverage on ESPN etc. The main holdback is more money can be made streaming. Blizzard is going to set a precendent with the Overwatch League. It is time to face the facts man. I was hyped but I am not surprised by Diablo getting little. All there time and effort is going in to eSports. As a guy with the same profile picture as you said
"Be Happy We Got Something" they should just rename every thread to that. That statement just takes care of everything. Mad, sad, upset, etc. that we get some piddly updates that don't mean anything for the game's general design flaws? Be Happy We Got Something.
The top 10 best selling games of all times are not Esports games. Not a single one. In the top 10 best selling PC games you can find Starcraft and Counter Strike that are considered Esports...
Diablo 3 sold over 30 million copies across all platforms and it's actually in the top 10 list... I don't think that's something to be taken lightly. If every copy costs about 60$, then it totals to almost 2 billion dollars which is quite a decent number.
Obviously other games can make a lot more money but is it true that Blizzard does not want to invest in Diablo anymore? I don't think so. I think that how Blizzard views Diablo and how the "fanbase" views it are two different things.
People think that the devs don't realize that the paragon system is broken and there is no item hunt because it's too easy to get all the stuff you want adn it ends too quickly but i don't think that the devs are on the same track here. In their eyes, they are probably happy with the amount of content that D3 has at the moment. It can and has offered hundreds if not thousands of hours of gameplay per person.
Let's not forget that the game is not actually aimed at a hardcore market or at the oldschool D2 fans that really appreciate a more punishing and complex game in terms of decision making in builds and gearing up. People who are down for grinding endlessly for that chance to win the lottery and drop a Zod rune or a Tyrael's might...
Blizzard has indeed shit over us in the last few Blizzcons but to be honest, this year was a lot better than the last two. Maybe i only feel that way because this year i had absolutely no expectations...
Anyway, some people just need to let go of D3. It will never become like D2 and that's a fact. It's more aimed at a casual audience and any effort in making it more hardcore just results in extreme frustration (grinding paragon and fishing rifts...).
The franchise holds a great power which is the Diablo name. If they announce D4 or any Diablo game (Sanctuary fighting game / 3rd person action moba anyone?) and create hype around it, they can sell tens of millions of copies and later on add micro-transactions and they will be making a lot of money off of that for sure.
Also, take a look at games like Skyrim for an example... Sold a lot and by no means a failure of a game. I don't think that we can say that Blizzard is going to be Esports only because market wise it just does not make sense.
That 2Bill number is all sorts of wrong.
The 30M number includes diablo vanilla, reaper of souls, and combo packs. It also includes the console versions.
You will need to assume that the average sale price is actually closer to $40. You will then need to assume that at least 25% of all copies are sold NOT by blizzard (so -25% revenue).
30M * $40 = $1.2B - 25% = $900M.
Thing is - that number above is still brutally high and in reality you should assume they brought in closer to $450-500M.
Sales does not reflect a constant revenue stream. WoW for example has generated 10 billion+ in revenue in its lifetime. Overwatch league will get sponsors and competitions and live viewing with ads. There is a revenue stream in advertisements. Diablo has done nothing since RoS. Those sales numbers could skewed as well. For example subscribing to WoW for a year gave subscribers a copy. In China the game is free (microtransactions). Also an expansion is not a full price game and it was never made clear how many of those 30 million were both vanilla and RoS. The point being that 30 million sales figure was never broken down for anyone. It is clear if a game is not generating revenue it is on the back burner. The future of Diablo rests on this Necromancer Pack. If it is adopted by a lot of players then they will release more and that would be a revenue stream. If that stream keeps up the game will get more love. They know WoW is fading and they are going to have to make up that revenue stream. eSports is there chance. A sports league can generate a lot of money if successful. They are obviously preparing for the eventual demise of WoW. Diablo does not fit that model right now. If it is not obvious by the amount of love eSports has received at the previous Blizzcon's then you guys got your hopes for nothing. When you talk about fan base you are bringing home the point. The thing with Diablo is no game in the genre has rivaled it. People will cling and continually get there hopes up and be let down and the fan base will always exist until a game equal/superior to Diablo takes the hype.
Good post, pretty much agree with what you say HanSolo1884 besides the Esports thing.
All I can say is that people who are freaking are obviously very passionate about the game, but a bit too passionate to be willing to attack other members of the game they care and love about too.
Grow some acorns and just wait for the expansion that will come in the future.
Logically speaking we should receive 2 new classes and possibly 2 new acts with a shit-load of content when its made and ready to go.
Diablo isn't dead so no need for R.I.P, not like we just saw our mother died its a video game.
It will come, just hold onto your balls.
PS. Was hoping for more but, in the end I am glad what we got.
The thing is - there is the potential at least to make D3 a viable esport via top shelf pvp. I watched some amazing finals of WoW last weekend in 3v3 arena. It was damn exciting to watch. Blizz would have to really do serious balancing for D3 pvp, but why not? That winning WoW team got $120k. Amazing.
Totally agree. The original arena concept that was shown at Blizzcon 2010 i think looked decent. They just need to tone down some stuff like attack speed and CDR... Change some skills and items and try to level the playing field into a more balanced experience. I don't think it would be such a tough job that a small team couldn't tackle in a year time or so. Maybe they really don't want D3 to turn into another Esports game and they made up this stupid decision for some fucked up reason that they want to keep D3 casual, i really don't know.