i would love to play my barb full dps, i find it a lot more enjoyable than my sader, but i have to run to my zdps sader otherwise i will be left behind on paragon levels .
Sure a zdps sader isn't useless, it brings a lot to the party, but it could do the same thing while actualy doin damage if we weren't forced to run full leech gear .
Example: support crusaders could very well run a condemn build with tons of CDR while using the same skills and being able to spam condemn and actualy do damage, but instead we have zero dps builds because the XP gear is too OP to not be used
How to solve this problem ? make Bonus XP additive in Greater Rift and stop forcing people to play boring builds .
I don't mind support characters at all. Their role in GR's is pretty amazing - you should give them a chance before getting so frustrated.
What I do mind is going into a t6 or GR game and having a(n) <plv100 in yellows and half gem slots empty join in and I have to wait 5 minutes to kick them in hopes that another one doesn't immediately join. I compare this guy to the dickheads who cut in line who honestly don't understand why everyone hates them.
I absolutely get that you "gotta start somewhere" but when did it become okay to do it on the backs of others with the "lol it's only t6" attitude? I don't think you have to be decked in ancients, but at bare minimum try and be a step up from "useless leeching turd". This is my biggest gripe about seasons because there's just an absurd ratio of leechers to players in every season compared to the much smaller ratio of non-seasonal folks in the same categories. With no way of efficiently removing them it just promotes terribly unnecessary behavior such as: Split farming and rushing ahead in hopes they get left behind, leaving/joining games until you get a satisfactory group, intentionally skipping an entire floor and killing the RG by yourself and speed closing so they waste keys and get no loot (I do this when the group refuses to kick and I've already started a rift)
yes, i do that, i'm at 780 paragon, the problem is when i'm playing barb full dps i have that feeling that i'm wasting time not playing my sader with 220% XP
yes, i do that, i'm at 780 paragon, the problem is when i'm playing barb full dps i have that feeling that i'm wasting time not playing my sader with 220% XP
Games are a hobby, for fun. If efficiency is a higher priority than fun in video games, to the point where you feel like your wasting your time if your not doing the most efficient thing... Your probably wasting your time playing that video game. Go find something you have fun doing.
Nothing wrong with XP gear at all. In most speedgrift parties, it is required that the XP "leecher" provides the keys. This forces him to run more T6 (for trial keys), do the trials (most of the time alone) and has a harder time finding groups (only 1 "leecher" needed and 3 dps, and a lot of people enjoy getting XP). All this does somewhat balance the XP everyone in the party gets.
As for a complete and fair fix, they could do the same as they did with magic find in vanilla: everyone has the average of the group. The entire group will get the same XP per hour, no more whining about "leechers", people will even have a hard time finding the support they call leechers now, since (almost) everyone loves to see high damage numbers. They are playing support now because they think they get more xp. And everyone will have to provide the same amount of keys, enjoy your T6 farming again, you key-leeching dps'ers
PS: I guess now that people speedgrift 45+, full xp gear is better. But in season 2, where our clan was doing 35-38, the DH got more XP per hour than an XP monk, since they could continue (jumping groups), while the monk was doing trials in between.
OK so I have a question about this. How is wearing a 45% xp bonus HF ring being supportive?
It isn't neither is wearing an RRoG just to get the 3 piece bonus so they can stack 2 sets with more XP set bonuses. I know they are getting skills like CDR that is helpful. This is all right but these bonuses have existed since the beginning When Paragon was limited to 100. These XP bonuses need to be either removed and nerfed. Some are also stacking gem of ease on top of the ring and sets. Followers are limited to 150 CHD. So can we do this with XP bonuses. There is a place for these bonuses. HC players need it after their characters die. But there should be a max. I would say a gemmed Helm and a HF ring would be the max. This would allow you to wear a gemmed crown but lose most of the advantage of adding HF bonuses.
unless you are a streamer playing 13 hours a day, why do you care. You will never compete with people getting paid to play this game and who have support from their viewers to form full groups.
i would love to play my barb full dps, i find it a lot more enjoyable than my sader, but i have to run to my zdps sader otherwise i will be left behind on paragon levels .
Sure a zdps sader isn't useless, it brings a lot to the party, but it could do the same thing while actualy doin damage if we weren't forced to run full leech gear .
Example: support crusaders could very well run a condemn build with tons of CDR while using the same skills and being able to spam condemn and actualy do damage, but instead we have zero dps builds because the XP gear is too OP to not be used
How to solve this problem ? make Bonus XP additive in Greater Rift and stop forcing people to play boring builds .
You don't use supports because you're trying to level.
What I do mind is going into a t6 or GR game and having a(n) <plv100 in yellows and half gem slots empty join in and I have to wait 5 minutes to kick them in hopes that another one doesn't immediately join. I compare this guy to the dickheads who cut in line who honestly don't understand why everyone hates them.
Thing is, whenever I've asked on the forums "hey, you say I should be fully geared in full set + ideal weapon + jewelery within a day of season starting, why does it take me months?" the answer is that running T6 rifts in 2 minutes each for one day will get you the gear. That's a pretty strong encouragement for lowly people to jump in T6 and leech.
Never done it myself.. which is probably why I'm still crap geared (can cruise T4 solo.. T5 is possible but very inefficient). But at least I'm doing it without annoying anyone.
yes, i do that, i'm at 780 paragon, the problem is when i'm playing barb full dps i have that feeling that i'm wasting time not playing my sader with 220% XP
Wow just wow.
First..you dont play support build for XP leech. As name is saying, main purpose is to support your team.
Secondly..why do you care about XP so much? 780 or 680 or 580..its all the same.What are we talking about?
If i had enough luck i can have BiS gear in 300 paragons. To succeed in solo or group all you need to have is BiS gear. Paragon level means nothing. It is just ego boost
Stop caring about Xp and start playing this game because you have fun playing it.
i would love to play my barb full dps, i find it a lot more enjoyable than my sader, but i have to run to my zdps sader otherwise i will be left behind on paragon levels .
Sure a zdps sader isn't useless, it brings a lot to the party, but it could do the same thing while actualy doin damage if we weren't forced to run full leech gear .
Example: support crusaders could very well run a condemn build with tons of CDR while using the same skills and being able to spam condemn and actualy do damage, but instead we have zero dps builds because the XP gear is too OP to not be used
How to solve this problem ? make Bonus XP additive in Greater Rift and stop forcing people to play boring builds .
wut?
Zdps builds who are para800+ but cant solo t1.
Jelly OP is Jelly
edited the first post .
I don't mind support characters at all. Their role in GR's is pretty amazing - you should give them a chance before getting so frustrated.
What I do mind is going into a t6 or GR game and having a(n) <plv100 in yellows and half gem slots empty join in and I have to wait 5 minutes to kick them in hopes that another one doesn't immediately join. I compare this guy to the dickheads who cut in line who honestly don't understand why everyone hates them.
I absolutely get that you "gotta start somewhere" but when did it become okay to do it on the backs of others with the "lol it's only t6" attitude? I don't think you have to be decked in ancients, but at bare minimum try and be a step up from "useless leeching turd". This is my biggest gripe about seasons because there's just an absurd ratio of leechers to players in every season compared to the much smaller ratio of non-seasonal folks in the same categories. With no way of efficiently removing them it just promotes terribly unnecessary behavior such as: Split farming and rushing ahead in hopes they get left behind, leaving/joining games until you get a satisfactory group, intentionally skipping an entire floor and killing the RG by yourself and speed closing so they waste keys and get no loot (I do this when the group refuses to kick and I've already started a rift)
the problem is not the support role, the problem is the leech gear, people are forced to play zdps leech because its too OP .
yes, i do that, i'm at 780 paragon, the problem is when i'm playing barb full dps i have that feeling that i'm wasting time not playing my sader with 220% XP
Support roles are fine, using leech gear is currently "fine".
But I really do hope that Blizzard changes how exp gear works, for example, everyone in group gets assigned new value of experience bonus.
Like Player1 Exp bonus + Player2 Exp bonus + Player3 Exp bonus + Player4 Exp bonus/4.
So everyone has that value, would fix the game nicely, and everyone would be leveling equally fast.
Games are a hobby, for fun. If efficiency is a higher priority than fun in video games, to the point where you feel like your wasting your time if your not doing the most efficient thing... Your probably wasting your time playing that video game. Go find something you have fun doing.
Nothing wrong with XP gear at all. In most speedgrift parties, it is required that the XP "leecher" provides the keys. This forces him to run more T6 (for trial keys), do the trials (most of the time alone) and has a harder time finding groups (only 1 "leecher" needed and 3 dps, and a lot of people enjoy getting XP). All this does somewhat balance the XP everyone in the party gets.
As for a complete and fair fix, they could do the same as they did with magic find in vanilla: everyone has the average of the group. The entire group will get the same XP per hour, no more whining about "leechers", people will even have a hard time finding the support they call leechers now, since (almost) everyone loves to see high damage numbers. They are playing support now because they think they get more xp. And everyone will have to provide the same amount of keys, enjoy your T6 farming again, you key-leeching dps'ers
PS: I guess now that people speedgrift 45+, full xp gear is better. But in season 2, where our clan was doing 35-38, the DH got more XP per hour than an XP monk, since they could continue (jumping groups), while the monk was doing trials in between.
You play as you wish to play. Stop all this "OH DUDES, XP GEAR IS MANDATORY" , it isn't.
I do not use it, only when I feel like it, and when playing in a group, it doesnt bother me that other people use it.
I am beast, so beastly.
OK so I have a question about this. How is wearing a 45% xp bonus HF ring being supportive?
It isn't neither is wearing an RRoG just to get the 3 piece bonus so they can stack 2 sets with more XP set bonuses. I know they are getting skills like CDR that is helpful. This is all right but these bonuses have existed since the beginning When Paragon was limited to 100. These XP bonuses need to be either removed and nerfed. Some are also stacking gem of ease on top of the ring and sets. Followers are limited to 150 CHD. So can we do this with XP bonuses. There is a place for these bonuses. HC players need it after their characters die. But there should be a max. I would say a gemmed Helm and a HF ring would be the max. This would allow you to wear a gemmed crown but lose most of the advantage of adding HF bonuses.
unless you are a streamer playing 13 hours a day, why do you care. You will never compete with people getting paid to play this game and who have support from their viewers to form full groups.
I think that goes without saying, which is his point...
doesnt he feel forced to do it?
Next time you quote, please use the whole thing, because that was completely out of context
I am beast, so beastly.
You don't use supports because you're trying to level.
Thing is, whenever I've asked on the forums "hey, you say I should be fully geared in full set + ideal weapon + jewelery within a day of season starting, why does it take me months?" the answer is that running T6 rifts in 2 minutes each for one day will get you the gear. That's a pretty strong encouragement for lowly people to jump in T6 and leech.
Never done it myself.. which is probably why I'm still crap geared (can cruise T4 solo.. T5 is possible but very inefficient). But at least I'm doing it without annoying anyone.
Wow just wow.
First..you dont play support build for XP leech. As name is saying, main purpose is to support your team.
Secondly..why do you care about XP so much? 780 or 680 or 580..its all the same.What are we talking about?
If i had enough luck i can have BiS gear in 300 paragons. To succeed in solo or group all you need to have is BiS gear. Paragon level means nothing. It is just ego boost
Stop caring about Xp and start playing this game because you have fun playing it.
i dont understand how can a one! povide a key"" to the hole party !!
explain pls in pm if u dont mind.
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