I didnt get a beta invite for ROS, do u guys missed life steal to clear higher difficults or life on hit/life regen can make u survive the elite fights?
Torment levels at level 60 and 70 are completely different ballgames. I have not seen anyone on the Beta running T6 without somehow exploiting or playing the game in an unintended manner (gear swapping, snapshotting gear, exploiting mechanics for skills, exploiting bugged skills and/or items, exploiting areas not meant to be farmed and therefore farmed an abnormal amount of gear to then exploit to run at higher difficulties, etc.).
Yes, I did and will miss life steal, but that stat has to go. The design goal is to stop facetanking and having HP spike up and down with little player influence other than standing still and smashing targets. Some people like that, but no, that's not going to be the case.
I can currently do T5 without LS with relative ease (elites die between 5-20 seconds depending on affixes) and I absolutely do not expect to do T5 come RoS at level 70. And I absolutely do not expect anyone to efficiently farm T5-6 when RoS comes out. Not in the first day, week or month. If someone does, then something's wrong with the difficulty settings. It should be an end-game target: to efficiently farm the highest difficulty settings. What the heck is the point of progression if you jump directly to the highest difficulties right from the start?
@mystikskem: I absolutely don't care about efficiency, but this topic is not about efficiency at all. When Jaetch said "efficient" it's kind of more to say that there will be people who may be able to survive T6, but with 25 million toughness (and you might see these values in RoS) you can't really kill anything in reasonable time, it's more about survival. Really, this topic is not about efficiency, but more "reasonable feasibility".
@Jaetch: THANK YOU for writing that out, I'm gonna bookmark your post or maybe even link it in my FAQ once I finished the update. We had a heated discussion in clan chat the other day about T5/T6 and when I said just what you said right now a lot of people called me crazy, even beta participants. If people find a way to roflstomp T6 within the first month, I'd be surprised if it's not some broken mechanic or so. Can it be done? Sure. But only by a very few, and only with quite some effort. The majority of people will not see Torment 6 in a long time, many players need to prepare their mindset to have T6 as a long-term goal and not something they can do the weekend after RoS release.
The game is so much fun without life steal... You actually have to avoid getting damaged by certain things. It's a lot more challenging and feels like a game.
Just don't believe all the noobs who claim that they are "farming t6 easy" like a few days after release because they will probably be clearing a very small area and only killing like one pack or a rare mob spawn and farming chests or some crap.
People always bullshit. Some dude on twitch was like "lol wiz op, bought gear for 2m gold on ah and can farm t6 easy" and i spent like half an hour arguing with him basically telling him that he is bullshitting. His argument was that he kites with 200k toughness... I told him that some elite affixes will rape him, he got mad and left the stream eventually.
The game is so much fun without life steal... You actually have to avoid getting damaged by certain things. It's a lot more challenging and feels like a game.
Just don't believe all the noobs who claim that they are "farming t6 easy" like a few days after release because they will probably be clearing a very small area and only killing like one pack or a rare mob spawn and farming chests or some crap.
People always bullshit. Some dude on twitch was like "lol wiz op, bought gear for 2m gold on ah and can farm t6 easy" and i spent like half an hour arguing with him basically telling him that he is bullshitting. His argument was that he kites with 200k toughness... I told him that some elite affixes will rape him, he got mad and left the stream eventually.
Don't believe all the trolls.
I'd like to see someone kite T6 with 200k toughness...then come along a pack with Vortex/Jailer/(insert AoE here affix here).
Good luck kiting it. Jailed? OK teleport out..oh wait now you are vortexed back in and one shot. At 700-800k toughness T6 champs practically 2 shot my Barbarian (who has aboue 70-80k hp)....so a wiz who lacks that passive 30% damage reduction that Barb/Monk get and only 200k toughness would just explode when the mobs even LOOKED at them.
Just to put things into perspective here as a Hardcore player. T4 feels pretty dangerous even at 2m toughness (and that includes avoiding all you can). I can only imagine what T5 or T6 are like for people with less toughness. I don't expect any HC players to farm T5 or T6 for quite some time into RoS if at all, unless maybe it's to do Ubers.
Also as a HC player I'm very happy about the changes to lifesteal since in HC one could never really rely on the variance involved to life spiking up and down. The game feels a lot more balanced atm and the HC/SC gap is closing in due to the new play-style enforced by the LS/LL changes.
So, stop worrying about being able to play higher torment and start playing hardcore instead It's not as hard or punishing as most people seem to think and you'll come to realize that RoS is very HC friendly
Yeah...I did T6 as mentioned above with less toughness than you just to "test the waters". I happened to have Nemesis bracers (spawns a champion pack when you touch a shrine) and was playing with a coworker of mine. Naturally we bumped into a shrine immediately and I touched it. Big mistake, we didn't last more than about 30 seconds total. Yet the two of us are capable of doing T3 solo on our own. The jumps in difficulty now are HUGE and I am loving it. At first I was worried that T6 wouldn't be as hard as Inferno MP10, or at the very least would be the same. Those fears are gone, as it is very obviously harder than MP10 Inferno ever was as I was able to farm that pre-patch without much worry.
Keep in mind that Nemesis bracers spawn out-of-depth (harder than the difficulty you are on) enemies. Those bracers are a big No-No for HC in higher torment
Lol. Still, it was fun to touch a shrine and spawn our utter and total death.
Things seem easier right now in the torment levels than inferno mp levels... I remember getting one shot by everything... including fire in act 1 and act 3 lol...
I play on T5 with no life steal on my wizard. I packed as much life regen and LoH as I could in paragon. With dominance, as long as you kill white mobs the combo of life regen and LoH shine for me
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edit: this is why i wanted to know about someone who get lvl 70 cuz life steal dont work anymore.
anyone here was able to do T6 easy with lvl 70?
Yes, I did and will miss life steal, but that stat has to go. The design goal is to stop facetanking and having HP spike up and down with little player influence other than standing still and smashing targets. Some people like that, but no, that's not going to be the case.
I can currently do T5 without LS with relative ease (elites die between 5-20 seconds depending on affixes) and I absolutely do not expect to do T5 come RoS at level 70. And I absolutely do not expect anyone to efficiently farm T5-6 when RoS comes out. Not in the first day, week or month. If someone does, then something's wrong with the difficulty settings. It should be an end-game target: to efficiently farm the highest difficulty settings. What the heck is the point of progression if you jump directly to the highest difficulties right from the start?
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@Jaetch: THANK YOU for writing that out, I'm gonna bookmark your post or maybe even link it in my FAQ once I finished the update. We had a heated discussion in clan chat the other day about T5/T6 and when I said just what you said right now a lot of people called me crazy, even beta participants. If people find a way to roflstomp T6 within the first month, I'd be surprised if it's not some broken mechanic or so. Can it be done? Sure. But only by a very few, and only with quite some effort. The majority of people will not see Torment 6 in a long time, many players need to prepare their mindset to have T6 as a long-term goal and not something they can do the weekend after RoS release.
Just don't believe all the noobs who claim that they are "farming t6 easy" like a few days after release because they will probably be clearing a very small area and only killing like one pack or a rare mob spawn and farming chests or some crap.
People always bullshit. Some dude on twitch was like "lol wiz op, bought gear for 2m gold on ah and can farm t6 easy" and i spent like half an hour arguing with him basically telling him that he is bullshitting. His argument was that he kites with 200k toughness... I told him that some elite affixes will rape him, he got mad and left the stream eventually.
Don't believe all the trolls.
Good luck kiting it. Jailed? OK teleport out..oh wait now you are vortexed back in and one shot. At 700-800k toughness T6 champs practically 2 shot my Barbarian (who has aboue 70-80k hp)....so a wiz who lacks that passive 30% damage reduction that Barb/Monk get and only 200k toughness would just explode when the mobs even LOOKED at them.