It takes an equally geared wizard 25% longer to kill the Skeleton king than any other class in patch 15!
Even if the wizard could just spam his AP attacks, they would pale in comparison to the DPS of the DH and WD's weaving in cheaper attacks. They are just way way too weak in patch 15.
We are supposed to be the glass cannons, but as time passes it seems that title is getting further and further away from us. The Demon Hunters and Witch Doctors have Generators/Cheap Spells that do more damage than our best high costing AP spells currently.
Demon hunter- Hungering Arrow: 230-300% wpn dmg depending on rune. (Homing capabilities, which make it near impossible to miss.) Witch Doctor - Poison dart - splinters - 180% wpn dmg (Very efficient with low overkill, as the other darts will fly past the mob if he dies from the 1st one or 2.)
Now compare those to the Wizards single target abilities Wizard - Magic Missile - Charged Blast - 143% wpn dmg (Noting Special)
There is no comparison because we have almost no single target spells, and the ones we have pale in comparison.
Even our AoE's don't compare, and we are also supposed to be the best at AoE dmg.
Witch Doctor - Zombie Bears - 3 bears @ 236% wpn dmg each in the area.
Demon Hunter- Cluster Arrow - Loaded for Bear - 290% dmg + 4 grenades that explode for another 100% dmg each.
Wizard - Meteor - molten impact - 234% wpn dmg and 78% dmg over 3 seconds (That they won't stand in and its difficult to aim with the 1 second delay.
Again, no comparison as meteor does far less dmg, yet costs more in relative resources. AoE is supposed to be a staple ability of our class! You could argue that wizard Regen is higher, but wizard generators have to be runed to gain AP, and even then its a pitiful amount. And just look at the difference in power of the generators....
Blizzard has completely lost sight of what the wizard is supposed to be. The glass cannon that dominates AoE, and whose best defense is a massive offense. The wizard was my 1st choice, but each patch for the wizard gets progressively worse and worse. It is so bad in patch 15 that the wizard is nowhere near my first choice anymore.
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The game hasn't even released yet and people are already saying their classes are bad.
It's still in beta. Also the max level is 13. Certainly not an accurate representation of level 60 play. They don't balance the game around level 13 Skeleton King. I'm sure Blizzard will make sure all classes are close to one another in damage at end game.
I've seen this exact thread about every class in the game.
And when it's based on almost no skills, no runes, having less than 6 abilities slotted, no gear, and only 1/4 of the way through act 1 on normal mode- it just comes off as completely fucking retarded.
I've seen this exact thread about every class in the game.
And when it's based on almost no skills, no runes, having less than 6 abilities slotted, no gear, and only 1/4 of the way through act 1 on normal mode- it just comes off as completely fucking retarded.
Quit trolling, and show any signature spell that can put out those single target numbers. You can't!
Show me an AoE skill the wizard has that can put up those AoE #'s. You can't!.
PS: Post a link to those other 4 threads please.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Quit trolling, and show any signature spell that can put out those single target numbers. You can't!
Show me an AoE skill the wizard has that can put up those AoE #'s. You can't!.
Quit trolling, and show what the stats of any of the spells mentioned are going to be at release. Oh wait, you can't!
Quit trolling, and show any signature spell that can put out those single target numbers. You can't!
Show me an AoE skill the wizard has that can put up those AoE #'s. You can't!.
Quit trolling, and show what the stats of any of the spells mentioned are going to be at release. Oh wait, you can't!
I am talking about RIGHT NOW.
No I can't predict the future, how perceptive of you. But I don't believe that Blizzard is a god, and I have to have unconditional faith in them either.
The wizards dmg output is terrible atm in the beta, far below the other classes, and if these skills don't get changed it will be that way on release too.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
I've seen this exact thread about every class in the game.
And when it's based on almost no skills, no runes, having less than 6 abilities slotted, no gear, and only 1/4 of the way through act 1 on normal mode- it just comes off as completely fucking retarded.
Quit trolling, and show any signature spell that can put out those single target numbers. You can't!
Show me an AoE skill the wizard has that can put up those AoE #'s. You can't!.
PS: Post a link to those other 4 threads please.
I'm pretty sure the person making wild accusations is the one that needs to provide their proof. Besides, hungering arrow is 115% with 35% pierce chance unruned, and splinters blow darts are 180% weapon damage total.
What I am about to do is spam this topic with all the shit trolling and sky is falling bullshit you spam on this board so we can all have a nice laugh about how you are going to buy a game you vehemently hate, and how your time is so worthless all you can do is troll a small fansite all day.
I've seen this exact thread about every class in the game.
And when it's based on almost no skills, no runes, having less than 6 abilities slotted, no gear, and only 1/4 of the way through act 1 on normal mode- it just comes off as completely fucking retarded.
Quit trolling, and show any signature spell that can put out those single target numbers. You can't!
Show me an AoE skill the wizard has that can put up those AoE #'s. You can't!.
PS: Post a link to those other 4 threads please.
I'm pretty sure the person making wild accusations is the one that needs to provide their proof.
Stopped reading there, I already did that. Once I provide proof, the burden of proof is no longer on me. You have to discredit my evidence with your own proof.
Unless you are arguing 143 > 210 or 230
If you want to make that claim, then you can say I didn't prove it. Of course you would be a complete moron, but they ya go.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
I've seen this exact thread about every class in the game.
And when it's based on almost no skills, no runes, having less than 6 abilities slotted, no gear, and only 1/4 of the way through act 1 on normal mode- it just comes off as completely fucking retarded.
Quit trolling, and show any signature spell that can put out those single target numbers. You can't!
Show me an AoE skill the wizard has that can put up those AoE #'s. You can't!.
PS: Post a link to those other 4 threads please.
I'm pretty sure the person making wild accusations is the one that needs to provide their proof.
Stopped reading there, I already did that. If you can disprove it, you need proof.
Unless you are arguing 143 > 210 or 230
If you want to make that claim, then you can say I didn't prove it. Of course you would be a complete moron, but they ya go.
hey everyone look at the dipshit faggot retard cumsock that can't be bothered to check his own facts when he posts blatantly false information.
Here is a link to 5 videos that show how badly the Wizard kills things compared to the other classes. Especially the SK fight, which takes the wizard seemingly forever.
There are lots of other videos of 1st playthroughs like this that show similar results.
I have already provided proof, so the burden of proof is no longer on me, its on you to discredit my findings.
Nice troll rebuttal btw, but I am still waiting.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
I'd like to point out that in a game like Diablo a class is definitely not solely measured on their ability to frontload damage. Diablo is also about survivability. The Wizard has a ridiculous amount of CC, slowing power, and otherwise ability to avoid getting hit. Compare that to a class like Barbarian or Monk, who are forced to stand in the pack to deal damage and you'll find that Wizards can run circles around a pack picking them off one by one.
There's more to a class than damage.
Also it's beta. At level 13. That's like (for those of you who've played WoW) complaining that their level 10 priest does crappy damage compared to a level 10 hunter.
Here is a link to 5 videos that show how badly the Wizard kills things compared to the other classes. Especially the SK fight, which takes the wizard seemingly forever.
There are lots of other videos of 1st playthroughs like this that show similar results.
I have already provided proof, so the burden of proof is no longer on me, its on you to discredit my findings.
Nice troll rebuttal btw, but I am still waiting.
Im sorry, but how is a post with no linked sources proof? your word, a shit troll, is proof?
I'd like to point out that in a game like Diablo a class is definitely not solely measured on their ability to frontload damage. Diablo is also about survivability. The Wizard has a ridiculous amount of CC, slowing power, and otherwise ability to avoid getting hit. Compare that to a class like Barbarian or Monk, who are forced to stand in the pack to deal damage and you'll find that Wizards can run circles around a pack picking them off one by one.
There's more to a class than damage.
Also it's beta. At level 13. That's like (for those of you who've played WoW) complaining that their level 10 priest does crappy damage compared to a level 10 hunter.
I certainly agree with that. Although, front loading dmg is very important as well especially to a glass cannon. Which is kind of my point. She isn't a glass cannon anymore, as she has so many defensive spells like energy armor that offer her the ability to take some hits.
She has evolved into a CC caster with mediocre dmg that just plays keep away, but thats not the wizard we were told about, and it would blow at higher difficulties. We were told about a glass cannon that does massive aoe dmg.
Its beta sure, but its not likely we can't see all the skills/runes. They might change slightly sure, but if that happens I will re-evaluate my stance on the issues, as I always do. Atm, the wizard is not the king of AoE nor a glass cannon.
As things stand right now, the Demon Hunter is the true glass cannon.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
hey look, 180% spinters with a link to actual proof!
youve provided jack shit, further showing your just a troll.
180, 210, who gives a shit? Its larger than 143, and thats the point.
Come back with real evidence, not a typo, or don't come back at all.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
yet another complaint thread/post from Antirepublican. The quality of writing and consistent negative/bashing content are becoming tiresome.
Why is it all these halfwits come and tell you how much they disapprove of peoples thread's for? Do you guys actually think we care? Is your mommy not giving you enough attention? Whats the problem here?
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
yet another complaint thread/post from Antirepublican. The quality of writing and consistent negative/bashing content are becoming tiresome.
Why is it all these halfwits come and tell you how much they disapprove of peoples thread's for? Do you guys actually think we care? Is your mommy not giving you enough attention? Whats the problem here?
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
If you don't want this thread closed then stay on topic and be polite to one another.
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Even if the wizard could just spam his AP attacks, they would pale in comparison to the DPS of the DH and WD's weaving in cheaper attacks. They are just way way too weak in patch 15.
We are supposed to be the glass cannons, but as time passes it seems that title is getting further and further away from us. The Demon Hunters and Witch Doctors have Generators/Cheap Spells that do more damage than our best high costing AP spells currently.
Demon hunter - Hungering Arrow: 230-300% wpn dmg depending on rune. (Homing capabilities, which make it near impossible to miss.)
Witch Doctor - Poison dart - splinters - 180% wpn dmg (Very efficient with low overkill, as the other darts will fly past the mob if he dies from the 1st one or 2.)
Now compare those to the Wizards single target abilities
Wizard - Magic Missile - Charged Blast - 143% wpn dmg (Noting Special)
There is no comparison because we have almost no single target spells, and the ones we have pale in comparison.
Even our AoE's don't compare, and we are also supposed to be the best at AoE dmg.
Witch Doctor - Zombie Bears - 3 bears @ 236% wpn dmg each in the area.
Demon Hunter - Cluster Arrow - Loaded for Bear - 290% dmg + 4 grenades that explode for another 100% dmg each.
Wizard - Meteor - molten impact - 234% wpn dmg and 78% dmg over 3 seconds (That they won't stand in and its difficult to aim with the 1 second delay.
Again, no comparison as meteor does far less dmg, yet costs more in relative resources. AoE is supposed to be a staple ability of our class! You could argue that wizard Regen is higher, but wizard generators have to be runed to gain AP, and even then its a pitiful amount. And just look at the difference in power of the generators....
Blizzard has completely lost sight of what the wizard is supposed to be. The glass cannon that dominates AoE, and whose best defense is a massive offense. The wizard was my 1st choice, but each patch for the wizard gets progressively worse and worse. It is so bad in patch 15 that the wizard is nowhere near my first choice anymore.
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It's still in beta. Also the max level is 13. Certainly not an accurate representation of level 60 play. They don't balance the game around level 13 Skeleton King. I'm sure Blizzard will make sure all classes are close to one another in damage at end game.
And when it's based on almost no skills, no runes, having less than 6 abilities slotted, no gear, and only 1/4 of the way through act 1 on normal mode- it just comes off as completely fucking retarded.
Show me an AoE skill the wizard has that can put up those AoE #'s. You can't!.
PS: Post a link to those other 4 threads please.
Epicurus
Quit trolling, and show what the stats of any of the spells mentioned are going to be at release. Oh wait, you can't!
I am talking about RIGHT NOW.
No I can't predict the future, how perceptive of you. But I don't believe that Blizzard is a god, and I have to have unconditional faith in them either.
The wizards dmg output is terrible atm in the beta, far below the other classes, and if these skills don't get changed it will be that way on release too.
Epicurus
I'm pretty sure the person making wild accusations is the one that needs to provide their proof. Besides, hungering arrow is 115% with 35% pierce chance unruned, and splinters blow darts are 180% weapon damage total.
What I am about to do is spam this topic with all the shit trolling and sky is falling bullshit you spam on this board so we can all have a nice laugh about how you are going to buy a game you vehemently hate, and how your time is so worthless all you can do is troll a small fansite all day.
Stopped reading there, I already did that. Once I provide proof, the burden of proof is no longer on me. You have to discredit my evidence with your own proof.
Unless you are arguing 143 > 210 or 230
If you want to make that claim, then you can say I didn't prove it. Of course you would be a complete moron, but they ya go.
Epicurus
hey everyone look at the dipshit faggot retard cumsock that can't be bothered to check his own facts when he posts blatantly false information.
http://www.diablofan...me-play-videos/
There are lots of other videos of 1st playthroughs like this that show similar results.
I have already provided proof, so the burden of proof is no longer on me, its on you to discredit my findings.
Nice troll rebuttal btw, but I am still waiting.
Epicurus
There's more to a class than damage.
Also it's beta. At level 13. That's like (for those of you who've played WoW) complaining that their level 10 priest does crappy damage compared to a level 10 hunter.
Im sorry, but how is a post with no linked sources proof? your word, a shit troll, is proof?
heres the proof your wrong - patch 15 updated D3 site talent calc http://us.battle.net...tch-doctor#a!!a
hey look, 180% spinters with a link to actual proof!
youve provided jack shit, further showing your just a troll.
She has evolved into a CC caster with mediocre dmg that just plays keep away, but thats not the wizard we were told about, and it would blow at higher difficulties. We were told about a glass cannon that does massive aoe dmg.
Its beta sure, but its not likely we can't see all the skills/runes. They might change slightly sure, but if that happens I will re-evaluate my stance on the issues, as I always do. Atm, the wizard is not the king of AoE nor a glass cannon.
As things stand right now, the Demon Hunter is the true glass cannon.
Epicurus
180, 210, who gives a shit? Its larger than 143, and thats the point.
Come back with real evidence, not a typo, or don't come back at all.
Epicurus
Epicurus
Epicurus
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