All arcane orbs are terrible, that's a fact. Arcane orb rune obliterate has decent dmg, but that AoE limitation on it, baaaaaaad. +DMO as it is now is shut down by waller, ggumad.
With Triumvirate boost to the Arcane Orb , the energy twister will have to hit monsters constantly to be useable as a dmg source.
I would like to see some affix to boost energy twister and it won't have to be damage bonus. What about if your energy twisters could not leave the slow time buble? I would definitelly take a rune making one big tornado out of two Intersection of two bubbles with a little space for tornade would make some engaging gameplay that would allow us to stuck tornado in close area.
Or Slow time slowing movement of Energy twister? These things would make the game play a little more fun as well.
I did a 45 clear with energy twister (didn't use ET bracers because it will be a non season build, unfortunately i didn't record it, but i did record a 43 with alot of time to spare, with the xp buff i won't be going to the ptr soon, but i can post that 43 clear, i feel that a belt that kept energy twister within the slow time would be really good indeed, maybe too powerful. xD
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What kind of setup did you use? RORG + Cindercoat, Bastion of Will, or something else?
I went arcane with bastions of will, the sound quality sucks badly but here is the video. https://youtu.be/8n9gRv2Zinw
I think the most dmg comes from magic missiles and slow time. Magic missiles are 3x 500M crits (should be around 800M per cast), The slow time ticks constantly for 90M and occasional energy twister just increase one or two ticks to 250M. Also I only have slightly less than 1M dmg and I could clear 46 rift with talrasha easily, main problem was survivability not damage, so really no way this could be viable. Try triumvirate you should be able to kill elites with just 2-3 arcane orbs with the gear you have.
Btw why so many people use defenders as bracers ? Was there some update to them ? They used to work only occasionally probably some internal cd
PS: also try the same grift replacing energy twister by 10% dmg buff from sparkflint
Tried with arcane orb, packs are faster (5b obliteration crits), trash is slower, ET fused tornado ticks for 600m inside slow time ocasionally on that video.
I thought about familiar since i'm using an hellfire amulet with EE and cold dmg on wep, fire would be an aditional 5% + 10% from sparkflint, but i can't replace ET because i need to proc bastions of will, for solo non season this setup is more than viable it will be the setup i'll clear 50 with.
With the defenders bracers when i'm surrounded by stunned mobs i take very little dmg all the time as far as i can see, so from what i can test there doesn't seem to exist any internal cd. (maybe they should be tested more accurately)
Regarding tal'rasha it's a different set with a different playstyle, but in the 3rd ptr patch it was heavily nerfed, the fact that tal'rasha's 6pc increases conduit's dmg and sources non related to the wiz makes it suffer more from rng than DMO which makes it less enjoyable for me.
Edit: i'm flattered that your first post was a reply to my post.
I didn't try Energy twister yet with the new set. I build on the fact that energy twister does 255% dmg per second for 6 second where it actually hit mobs only for a portion of time. The basic arcane orb with triumvirate hits for up to 4x 435% which is already better than tornado that thit mobs for its whole duration. Have you tried the unruned version of arcane orb ? You're gear seems to be very close to BIS, so we expect you to show us some 50th grift
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Ok so I've tried some grifts with Arcane Orb. Well the problem is Arcane Power, I just spend it too fast and have to use Signature ability a lot. The Mirror Ball is why your build seems to be better than arcane orb. 3 Magic missiles do just as much dmg as buffed arcane orb. It's not aoe, but it helps with outstanding mobs and rift guardians a lot. With arcane orbs and Shocking Pulse it takes ages.
What is interesting is that you say Twisters are better for aoe. I say Arcane Orbs are bad for single target
3 Magic missiles do not do as much dmg as buffed arcane orb,
i was critting for 500m with MM x3 = 1,5b, and 5b AO crits with dynamo (3b without) it's not that bad for single target.
For group play the AO obliteration build using electrocute for AP + dynamo and orb buff might be good, but if u wanna solo with triumvirate + dmo i think frozen orb wins due to aoe.
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I didn't try Energy twister yet with the new set. I build on the fact that energy twister does 255% dmg per second for 6 second where it actually hit mobs only for a portion of time. The basic arcane orb with triumvirate hits for up to 4x 435% which is already better than tornado that thit mobs for its whole duration. Have you tried the unruned version of arcane orb ? You're gear seems to be very close to BIS, so we expect you to show us some 50th grift
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Ok so I've tried some grifts with Arcane Orb. Well the problem is Arcane Power, I just spend it too fast and have to use Signature ability a lot. The Mirror Ball is why your build seems to be better than arcane orb. 3 Magic missiles do just as much dmg as buffed arcane orb. It's not aoe, but it helps with outstanding mobs and rift guardians a lot. With arcane orbs and Shocking Pulse it takes ages.
What is interesting is that you say Twisters are better for aoe. I say Arcane Orbs are bad for single target
FO does about ~750% WD base (the tooltip lies), this goes up to ~25550% WD with Tri+DMO. Even charged blast only gets to 8287 % WD. This also doesn't account for getting access to cold blooded or wizardspike. Twister is nowhere near as good for AoE becuase of Tri.
Ok I thought you are going for arcane builds and that you tried the Obliteration rune. The frozen orb is a good option, Can't expect it to do full 750% weapon damage on aoe, but for rift guardian it should be possible.
I felt that I cast 2x more signatures than arcane orb. Some resource cost reduction would help.
Electrocute doesn't refresh the slowtime cooldown, which maybe problem if you don't have the Wand for slow time cd.
Are you going to record arcane orb build with your gear ?
I did try arcane build with obliteration, that's why i think if you really wanna go triumvirate go cold for solo, maybe in a party setup with enough arcane power sustain obliteration build may be good. (5bil crits afterall)
When the xp buff on live ends i'll get back to PTR action, but for now i wanna get paragon 800 before it does. xD
All arcane orbs are terrible, that's a fact. Arcane orb rune obliterate has decent dmg, but that AoE limitation on it, baaaaaaad. +DMO as it is now is shut down by waller, ggumad.
Has anybody tried this set out with Energy Twister? I'm really excited to try it out with the ET bracers.
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I did a 45 clear with energy twister (didn't use ET bracers because it will be a non season build, unfortunately i didn't record it, but i did record a 43 with alot of time to spare, with the xp buff i won't be going to the ptr soon, but i can post that 43 clear, i feel that a belt that kept energy twister within the slow time would be really good indeed, maybe too powerful. xD
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What kind of setup did you use? RORG + Cindercoat, Bastion of Will, or something else?
Watch me play my Wizard live at http://www.twitch.tv/aya_twitch
I went arcane with bastions of will, the sound quality sucks badly but here is the video.
https://youtu.be/8n9gRv2Zinw
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Tried with arcane orb, packs are faster (5b obliteration crits), trash is slower, ET fused tornado ticks for 600m inside slow time ocasionally on that video.
I thought about familiar since i'm using an hellfire amulet with EE and cold dmg on wep, fire would be an aditional 5% + 10% from sparkflint, but i can't replace ET because i need to proc bastions of will, for solo non season this setup is more than viable it will be the setup i'll clear 50 with.
With the defenders bracers when i'm surrounded by stunned mobs i take very little dmg all the time as far as i can see, so from what i can test there doesn't seem to exist any internal cd. (maybe they should be tested more accurately)
Regarding tal'rasha it's a different set with a different playstyle, but in the 3rd ptr patch it was heavily nerfed, the fact that tal'rasha's 6pc increases conduit's dmg and sources non related to the wiz makes it suffer more from rng than DMO which makes it less enjoyable for me.
Edit: i'm flattered that your first post was a reply to my post.
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3 Magic missiles do not do as much dmg as buffed arcane orb,
i was critting for 500m with MM x3 = 1,5b, and 5b AO crits with dynamo (3b without) it's not that bad for single target.
For group play the AO obliteration build using electrocute for AP + dynamo and orb buff might be good, but if u wanna solo with triumvirate + dmo i think frozen orb wins due to aoe.
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FO does about ~750% WD base (the tooltip lies), this goes up to ~25550% WD with Tri+DMO. Even charged blast only gets to 8287 % WD. This also doesn't account for getting access to cold blooded or wizardspike. Twister is nowhere near as good for AoE becuase of Tri.
Oozza, are you have some apoc on gear? aslo conduit good too.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#aVgSQN!hdZb!cZYbZc
need tests in party variations with fire/arcane, triumvirate/mirror, ET/AO
I did try arcane build with obliteration, that's why i think if you really wanna go triumvirate go cold for solo, maybe in a party setup with enough arcane power sustain obliteration build may be good. (5bil crits afterall)
When the xp buff on live ends i'll get back to PTR action, but for now i wanna get paragon 800 before it does. xD
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if magic missile build could do GR 45, it is good enough for me, don't really feel comfortably doing 45 with Tal Rasha