Welll.. as many of u probably noticed they took away our one defensive cooldown... Oh sure we can lay a trap. oh sure... we can roll away 2-3 times.. 1/2 the mobs this wont stop and even if it did . we stop running.. they one shot us.
NOw that i have been farming the last few days for high dex gear and staying around 25-30k HP... does this mean i need to go out and spend 1,000,000 ( yes litterally not figuratively) on every new piece of gear to try to stack vitality as high as possible? and then well just sit in the back and do as much damage as a tanking barbarian oh but at least now we can get 2 shot... instead of 1 shot.. right?
Anyone ... Anyone.... have any ideas of what we can do..
BTW go ahead and hate.. IDC what u guys say for us to go invis for 20 sec is absolutly nothing compared to being able to go completely invunerable or even take 40+ hits and going 1/2 hp. there are even some fights that it doesnt even work for and we are completely 100% vunerable to 1 shot because they go invis to... or fly into the sky if we go invis. If your not a demon hunter going threw inferno solo.. GTFO and dont comment you may think you know what its like but u odviously dont.
I get that DH and Wizards are going to be frustrated, but all they really did was make you join everyone elses club that now realize how dirty and basically unplayable the damage numbers are past Act 2 inferno.
Monks and Barbs can't take a hit unless they go massive into survival at which point they can take "some" hits but can't kill much of anything.
Witch doctors basically have 1/3rd of their spells as unusable since any pets they get out are all insta gibbed. Giving you the only option of trying to kite stuff clumsily and dying to anything ranged or that can CC you.
Hint: The problem is the whole thing where they decided to try and make inferno chalenging to their "hardcore" in house team and then doubling the damage numbers.
Clearing Inferno Act 2 with it. It just requires a slightly different playstyle.
Yes this change sucks for us, but in the long run it's for the best. I saw this nerf coming months ago. :/
Let me know how those Mortar/Fast/Waller/Invulnerable Minions/etc treat ya with that. ;D Or better yet, Belial. His fight(just him) is easy, but the snakes before hand are almost imposisble to get with this change. Traps don't work well enough, not enough room to kite, they follow you when you smoke screen, Entangling Shot doesn't work well enough, etc. :\ Now I'm stuck and no feasible amount of vitality can help.
I rerolled from a Wizard in Hell to Demon Hunter because Smokescreen was better than Diamond Skin (invulnerable>hp-shield). But in Hell/Inferno I began to realize that even with Smokescreen+Preparation, the invulnerability time WAS NOT enough to solo packs of rares/champions... Which is why I planned to stack +Max Discipline, to double my SS uptime, to nearly permanent.
But with this nerf, stacking +Max Disc will only bring SS to where it was pre-nerf, no more dreams of perm-SS >_<
All those saying to just snare or use Caltrops, Fast/Shield/Mortar/Waller/Jailer/Arcane/Molten/Desecrator just straight up r@pes your face... Even WITH SS+Prep pre-nerf, those were nearly unsoloable on Inferno. Now the prospect seems impossible.
I guess I should go back to my Wizard, or roll a Barb. (Some say Barb sux in Inferno, but I've heard a decently geared Barb can faceroll through Inferno.)
You can not get hit, i am farming start of act 2 elites with 2 sec SS ( i used the dmg fog one ) for 3 days now, the only problematic affix for me is Fast which i cannot kill alone, the other are more then doable.
1. Learn to kite
2. find a good place to fight
3. get some gear
your kitting Wallers/Teleporters/Jailers etc lmao yea right and your not farming act 2 inferno pics or vids of u soloing champs rares elites etc
Just clearing inferno act 4 for progression, still haven't gotten to Diablo, I've got 5 stacks valor with the hotfix active, but it does require a ton of kiting. And if I find an oppressor at all, I just have to hope he doesn't charge, which he can do from off screen and one shot me without me knowing he's there...
It'd be alright if we didn't get one shot by a gentle breeze with 500 resist, 4k armor, 40k hp. Honestly, just gets to a point now where you hope you can kill everything in that 1.5 seconds you have or spam nether tentacles and vault away twice then spam some more..
Kind of rediculous. Don't think gear will fix it either, as I have fairly good gear. I'd be alright if we could avoid all the damage, but rippers / oppressors are the main two, if you turn a corner without SS up, you die instantly.
So kite and hope you have 20 minutes to kill what took 20 seconds before.
Clearing Inferno Act 2 with it. It just requires a slightly different playstyle.
Yes this change sucks for us, but in the long run it's for the best. I saw this nerf coming months ago. :/
Let me know how those Mortar/Fast/Waller/Invulnerable Minions/etc treat ya with that. ;D Or better yet, Belial. His fight(just him) is easy, but the snakes before hand are almost imposisble to get with this change. Traps don't work well enough, not enough room to kite, they follow you when you smoke screen, Entangling Shot doesn't work well enough, etc. :\ Now I'm stuck and no feasible amount of vitality can help.
Killing mortars is easy, just keep moving. and if you accidently forget to move you still have a little smoke screen to avoid that hit. Also, admittedly the combo you said above would be extremely hard, however the chances of that combo coming up is extremely rare.
I'm sick of people saying its impossible when clearly its not, I've gotten mortar mobs plenty of times for the champ pack just in front of belial's room on inferno and still managed to kill them all.
You can not get hit, i am farming start of act 2 elites with 2 sec SS ( i used the dmg fog one ) for 3 days now, the only problematic affix for me is Fast which i cannot kill alone, the other are more then doable.
1. Learn to kite
2. find a good place to fight
3. get some gear
your kitting Wallers/Teleporters/Jailers etc lmao yea right and your not farming act 2 inferno pics or vids of u soloing champs rares elites etc
Kiting wallers is easy, just get them to an open space. Smokescreen still works and will let you kite jailers too. As for teleporters, that's mostly luck for a lucky dodge.
Welll.. as many of u probably noticed they took away our one defensive cooldown... Oh sure we can lay a trap. oh sure... we can roll away 2-3 times.. 1/2 the mobs this wont stop and even if it did . we stop running.. they one shot us.
NOw that i have been farming the last few days for high dex gear and staying around 25-30k HP... does this mean i need to go out and spend 1,000,000 ( yes litterally not figuratively) on every new piece of gear to try to stack vitality as high as possible? and then well just sit in the back and do as much damage as a tanking barbarian oh but at least now we can get 2 shot... instead of 1 shot.. right?
Anyone ... Anyone.... have any ideas of what we can do..
BTW go ahead and hate.. IDC what u guys say for us to go invis for 20 sec is absolutly nothing compared to being able to go completely invunerable or even take 40+ hits and going 1/2 hp. there are even some fights that it doesnt even work for and we are completely 100% vunerable to 1 shot because they go invis to... or fly into the sky if we go invis. If your not a demon hunter going threw inferno solo.. GTFO and dont comment you may think you know what its like but u odviously dont.
I've pretty much completed Act 2 except for Belial before you ask.
You have tones of slowing abilities, such as 60% caltrops which will get you through almost any normal mob. As for rares, vault does work, people just dont like the way it works and wont use it.
If you think staying invis for 18 seconds (SS + prep + 10% disc passive + disc on a quiver) is fair, I think you should consider your a little wrong. People were able to kill the butcher in 20 seconds (inferno) because they could chain it. Imagine how balanced PvP will be if you could stay invisible for 18 seconds too.
Im not saying its impossible...I just really would like someone to post a video of a Demon hunter.. (after this last patch thing) killing belial on inferno solo... The adds go invis... he 1 shots you at ranged if not invis..
OR that one dude after azmodan the first guy of act 4 i forget his name... If you go invis he teleports away..
Eloquenza how much dps u have with or without stacked sharpshooter? What build u using and what stats stacking?
And there is very much videos about belial with "standart" build after nerf (killed him before nerf with 40k dps with stacked sharpshooter and 27 non-stacked sharpshooter and i wasnt spamming ss). Just go to youtube and search "belial dh solo after nerf" or something like that.
Edit: here you some video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3D1zQ56JoBk
i personally prefer to use vault with the reduced cost if you vault again with SS and prep for heal. I used to have chakram but that skill is basically useless in inferno, so i switched it out for bat companion. Entangling with Chain Gang is the bees knees. and i use nether tentacles for my damage. With that build i can take out any mob pack with the exception of Fast/Shielding giving me troubles
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NOw that i have been farming the last few days for high dex gear and staying around 25-30k HP... does this mean i need to go out and spend 1,000,000 ( yes litterally not figuratively) on every new piece of gear to try to stack vitality as high as possible? and then well just sit in the back and do as much damage as a tanking barbarian oh but at least now we can get 2 shot... instead of 1 shot.. right?
Anyone ... Anyone.... have any ideas of what we can do..
BTW go ahead and hate.. IDC what u guys say for us to go invis for 20 sec is absolutly nothing compared to being able to go completely invunerable or even take 40+ hits and going 1/2 hp. there are even some fights that it doesnt even work for and we are completely 100% vunerable to 1 shot because they go invis to... or fly into the sky if we go invis. If your not a demon hunter going threw inferno solo.. GTFO and dont comment you may think you know what its like but u odviously dont.
Monks and Barbs can't take a hit unless they go massive into survival at which point they can take "some" hits but can't kill much of anything.
Witch doctors basically have 1/3rd of their spells as unusable since any pets they get out are all insta gibbed. Giving you the only option of trying to kite stuff clumsily and dying to anything ranged or that can CC you.
Hint: The problem is the whole thing where they decided to try and make inferno chalenging to their "hardcore" in house team and then doubling the damage numbers.
There was a bug/oversight involving the preperation rune. That's what they hit hard.
Clearing Inferno Act 2 with it. It just requires a slightly different playstyle.
Yes this change sucks for us, but in the long run it's for the best. I saw this nerf coming months ago. :/
You are still going to use SS if you want to get anywhere...
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Let me know how those Mortar/Fast/Waller/Invulnerable Minions/etc treat ya with that. ;D Or better yet, Belial. His fight(just him) is easy, but the snakes before hand are almost imposisble to get with this change. Traps don't work well enough, not enough room to kite, they follow you when you smoke screen, Entangling Shot doesn't work well enough, etc. :\ Now I'm stuck and no feasible amount of vitality can help.
But with this nerf, stacking +Max Disc will only bring SS to where it was pre-nerf, no more dreams of perm-SS >_<
All those saying to just snare or use Caltrops, Fast/Shield/Mortar/Waller/Jailer/Arcane/Molten/Desecrator just straight up r@pes your face... Even WITH SS+Prep pre-nerf, those were nearly unsoloable on Inferno. Now the prospect seems impossible.
I guess I should go back to my Wizard, or roll a Barb. (Some say Barb sux in Inferno, but I've heard a decently geared Barb can faceroll through Inferno.)
your kitting Wallers/Teleporters/Jailers etc lmao yea right and your not farming act 2 inferno pics or vids of u soloing champs rares elites etc
It'd be alright if we didn't get one shot by a gentle breeze with 500 resist, 4k armor, 40k hp. Honestly, just gets to a point now where you hope you can kill everything in that 1.5 seconds you have or spam nether tentacles and vault away twice then spam some more..
Kind of rediculous. Don't think gear will fix it either, as I have fairly good gear. I'd be alright if we could avoid all the damage, but rippers / oppressors are the main two, if you turn a corner without SS up, you die instantly.
So kite and hope you have 20 minutes to kill what took 20 seconds before.
Killing mortars is easy, just keep moving. and if you accidently forget to move you still have a little smoke screen to avoid that hit. Also, admittedly the combo you said above would be extremely hard, however the chances of that combo coming up is extremely rare.
I'm sick of people saying its impossible when clearly its not, I've gotten mortar mobs plenty of times for the champ pack just in front of belial's room on inferno and still managed to kill them all.
Kiting wallers is easy, just get them to an open space. Smokescreen still works and will let you kite jailers too. As for teleporters, that's mostly luck for a lucky dodge.
Ever considered your just bad?
I've pretty much completed Act 2 except for Belial before you ask.
You have tones of slowing abilities, such as 60% caltrops which will get you through almost any normal mob. As for rares, vault does work, people just dont like the way it works and wont use it.
If you think staying invis for 18 seconds (SS + prep + 10% disc passive + disc on a quiver) is fair, I think you should consider your a little wrong. People were able to kill the butcher in 20 seconds (inferno) because they could chain it. Imagine how balanced PvP will be if you could stay invisible for 18 seconds too.
OR that one dude after azmodan the first guy of act 4 i forget his name... If you go invis he teleports away..
Demon hunter solo this.. nao.
And there is very much videos about belial with "standart" build after nerf (killed him before nerf with 40k dps with stacked sharpshooter and 27 non-stacked sharpshooter and i wasnt spamming ss). Just go to youtube and search "belial dh solo after nerf" or something like that.
Edit: here you some video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3D1zQ56JoBk