Ok so seeing if anyone else has really done any testing, I'm pushing mid 50's solo right now as a hammerdin. Im just using the best ancient one hander ive found so far right now. Curious what would be better in the cube a furnace or johanna's. To ne seems like johanna's is better for low level, but once the mobs health sky rockets i'm thinking furnace might be the better option. Thanks in advance for any help.
wouldn't a cubed furnace (max roll always active) + equipped johannas be same/more dps+cdr+recovery (quicker and more LoH Procs) due to fervor vs heavenly strength passive?
wouldn't a cubed furnace (max roll always active) + equipped johannas be same/more dps+cdr+recovery (quicker and more LoH Procs) due to fervor vs heavenly strength passive?
no it wouldn't, you do less dmg. 2 handers always hit harder. all skills are based on weapon dmg. what has a high weapon dmg a 1 hander or a 2 hander?
Both options end up performing similarly after all is said and done.
Cubing the furnace -
Pros: Higher raw CDR, higher recovery via Life per wrath spent and Holy Cause, more procs from Obsidian Ring, and a guarentied perfect % on furnace.
Cons: Much lower raw damage, much harder wrath management do to absurd spam spead.
Cubing Johanna's -
Pros: Much Higher Raw Damage, easy wrath management with managable spam speed.
Cons: Lower raw CDR, lower life recovery via LPWS/HC, Less ring procs, and potentially a less than perfect furnace roll.
Given that both weapons rolled perfectly the difference would be simply this -
1h build maintains a much higher uptime on buffs, higher sustain, and champion is much easier to maintain, which results in higher survivability, but lacks raw stopping power which can cause issues against tougher packs and guardians.
2h build has generally less buff uptime, lower sustain, and a harder time keeping champion up, which results in lower survivability in return for higher raw stopping power, which means that 2H needs to be played much more carefully to avoid getting into situations which it can't survive.
Long story short, choose whichever playstyle you feel fits you better, I will tell you this, both the 1h and 2h approach held spots in the top 10 leader boards last I checked, in fact, the number 1 spot was a 1h build. so take that as you will.
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Well info kinda helpful but not answering what I asked, was asking which is better in the cube without having the other, obviously having both ancient would be ideal. Be a long time if ever b4 that. So while using a different weapon, which is better cubed.
Furnace is what I would say. If you already using a one hander it will have faster speed than a two hander, especially combined with Fervor. So I think having the extra Elite damage would be better for now.
I still don't think we are answering OP's question. He HAS an ancient 2h weapon he is using. He is asking if he is better off using a0 that weapon plus Johanna in cube, or that weapon plus Furnace in cube.
I don't have math to back me up, but I would say Johanna. Furnace benefits you on elites only, whereas Johanna buff is active all the time
I guess I misunderstood the core question, indeed I woud agree with what Ironrabbit said. If you could only possibly use or cube one or the other, Johanna's would be the better choice. However, it's worth saying that, if you were going down the 1h route anyway and had no furnace to cube, I would probably say to use the Johanna's, and find another weapon or shield effect you think is useful for that slot in the cube.
Long story short, Johanna's is by far the superior buff of the two, so however you get it, you should prioritize it.
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If ur runnin hammer build of any kind and u dont have johannas equipped then u def want it cubed as it is 100% att speed inc. which is twice the dmg plus twice the procs vs with furnace its only 50% raw dmg inc to elites.
Even at that, Furnace is a 2h mace (slowest, hardest hitting weapon type). Compared to a 1h flail, you're going to hit everything much harder with a Furnace. Including non-elites. However, you still want to get the +100% attackspeed from Johanna's some way or another.
I still don't think we are answering OP's question. He HAS an ancient 2h weapon he is using.
Uh no. he said
Im just using the best ancient one hander ive found so far right now.
If he is already using a 1 hander then his attack speed is already decent, and the furnace is probably better. But honestly, to the OP, just try out both and see which one works better.
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Ok so seeing if anyone else has really done any testing, I'm pushing mid 50's solo right now as a hammerdin. Im just using the best ancient one hander ive found so far right now. Curious what would be better in the cube a furnace or johanna's. To ne seems like johanna's is better for low level, but once the mobs health sky rockets i'm thinking furnace might be the better option. Thanks in advance for any help.
cube johanna and equip furnace for maximize damage
wouldn't a cubed furnace (max roll always active) + equipped johannas be same/more dps+cdr+recovery (quicker and more LoH Procs) due to fervor vs heavenly strength passive?
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Both options end up performing similarly after all is said and done.
Cubing the furnace -
Pros: Higher raw CDR, higher recovery via Life per wrath spent and Holy Cause, more procs from Obsidian Ring, and a guarentied perfect % on furnace.
Cons: Much lower raw damage, much harder wrath management do to absurd spam spead.
Cubing Johanna's -
Pros: Much Higher Raw Damage, easy wrath management with managable spam speed.
Cons: Lower raw CDR, lower life recovery via LPWS/HC, Less ring procs, and potentially a less than perfect furnace roll.
Given that both weapons rolled perfectly the difference would be simply this -
1h build maintains a much higher uptime on buffs, higher sustain, and champion is much easier to maintain, which results in higher survivability, but lacks raw stopping power which can cause issues against tougher packs and guardians.
2h build has generally less buff uptime, lower sustain, and a harder time keeping champion up, which results in lower survivability in return for higher raw stopping power, which means that 2H needs to be played much more carefully to avoid getting into situations which it can't survive.
Long story short, choose whichever playstyle you feel fits you better, I will tell you this, both the 1h and 2h approach held spots in the top 10 leader boards last I checked, in fact, the number 1 spot was a 1h build. so take that as you will.
I main Carnevil Doctor/Hammer Crusader. Not the best or most dedicated out there, but I do what I can.
Good luck, have fun!
Well info kinda helpful but not answering what I asked, was asking which is better in the cube without having the other, obviously having both ancient would be ideal. Be a long time if ever b4 that. So while using a different weapon, which is better cubed.
Furnace is what I would say. If you already using a one hander it will have faster speed than a two hander, especially combined with Fervor. So I think having the extra Elite damage would be better for now.
I still don't think we are answering OP's question. He HAS an ancient 2h weapon he is using. He is asking if he is better off using a0 that weapon plus Johanna in cube, or
that weapon plus Furnace in cube.
I don't have math to back me up, but I would say Johanna. Furnace benefits you on elites only, whereas Johanna buff is active all the time
I guess I misunderstood the core question, indeed I woud agree with what Ironrabbit said. If you could only possibly use or cube one or the other, Johanna's would be the better choice. However, it's worth saying that, if you were going down the 1h route anyway and had no furnace to cube, I would probably say to use the Johanna's, and find another weapon or shield effect you think is useful for that slot in the cube.
Long story short, Johanna's is by far the superior buff of the two, so however you get it, you should prioritize it.
I main Carnevil Doctor/Hammer Crusader. Not the best or most dedicated out there, but I do what I can.
Good luck, have fun!
If ur runnin hammer build of any kind and u dont have johannas equipped then u def want it cubed as it is 100% att speed inc. which is twice the dmg plus twice the procs vs with furnace its only 50% raw dmg inc to elites.
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Even at that, Furnace is a 2h mace (slowest, hardest hitting weapon type). Compared to a 1h flail, you're going to hit everything much harder with a Furnace. Including non-elites. However, you still want to get the +100% attackspeed from Johanna's some way or another.
Uh no. he said
If he is already using a 1 hander then his attack speed is already decent, and the furnace is probably better. But honestly, to the OP, just try out both and see which one works better.