I basicly pulled the entire map "Fields of Slaughter" together (Bridge of Korsik WP)....and I loved the result !
WW barb still extremely viable so do not fear !
What this video missing are two things:
1- Show us how godly your gear is. I suspect you have to use mighty weapon with high enough overall DPS to keep fury generation high and survive. With the new changes, the build becomes very gear dependent.
2- Instead of gathering all monsters together where it is easy to maintain WotB, do a regular farm route and show us if you are able to keep your WotB between packs.
This video is no proof for 'do not fear', the real challenge will be keeping WotB up between packs and the refresh rate of WotB. Sure you can still spin around a large group of monsters, but the real power of current WW spec is that you can keep WotB up %100 with mediocre gear.
What this video missing are two things:
1- Show us how godly your gear is. I suspect you have to use mighty weapon with high enough overall DPS to keep fury generation high and survive. With the new changes, the build becomes very gear dependent.
2- Instead of gathering all monsters together where it is easy to maintain WotB, do a regular farm route and show us if you are able to keep your WotB between packs.
This video is no proof for 'do not fear', the real challenge will be keeping WotB up between packs and the refresh rate of WotB. Sure you can still spin around a large group of monsters, but the real power of current WW spec is that you can keep WotB up %100 with mediocre gear.
Yep, this... What the OP has basically said here is "u think WW is dead?! this guy in 1.5 billion gold worth of gear is still able to do it so clearly it still works for every1!". If the patch remains as it is, the build isn't dead, I mean it'll still work but it wont compare to other builds unless ure gear is godlike. I mean lets face it, in his level of gear he could prob auto-attack through the game XD
As others have said, I don't think anyone is worrying that WW won't work when you have gear like that. What I'd love to see is for someone to do an Alkaizer run on the PTR with gear worth 20 million gold or less on monster level 0. That'd give a much clearer picture of how bad the nerf will be.
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...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
Who cares. Try a different build. It's boring using the same one all the time.
As mentioned you can use just about any mishmash of skills once your gear is good enough. So try something fun.
Well, obviously I care. I have tried a lot of builds and characters. By no means I've spent little time on the game. I have all classes at 60, and mained a wizard for a long time. Not until I've come across barb and WW build, it did not feel like I was playing a 'hero', more like a headless chicken running around the first sight of an elite.
Literally, barb play felt like it was supposed to be, you are god among men, not an ant trying to cross the road on Times Square...
I do have OK gear, probably spent around 300 mil for it and I will upgrade it more with the money at hand which should be around 500m when 1.0.5 hits. However, when I've started WW build, I probably had 40-50m worth of gear and I've enjoyed the game more than all the 300+ hours I've played with my wizard.
This build WAS a good intro to all low budget players and a good way to get good gear. I've definitely gotten my share from it, I'll probably be able to use it after spending more gold on upgrades, but I just feel it is NOT right to tell people the build is not effected. The spec is hit and it is hit hard. Unless you up your DPS for survival and get particular equipment to keep up fury generation, you wont be able to use it effectively.
I've briefly tried the gear with my current gear and it was close to impossible to keep WotB up between packs.
And as for fun, this was the most fun I've ever had in the game over all 6 characters. Oh, may be not, I may had more fun for that day when wizards were immortal =)
[...]as we can see in the video, you can't really die at decent gear levels but what the specc is really lacking is dps. when monsters have that much hp your mobility is no longer the key issue for fast and efficient farming, dps is. there are many speccs performing a lot better dps-wise.
You must be doing it wrong, or have bad gear. The damage in this spec is very high, spin around a target and drop a couple tornadoes while whirlwinding, and they melt.
It seems if you turn off 'vertical sync' in the graphic options section...the disconnects stop happening (can't confirm this, but it hasn't happened to me since!)
My test on the ptr went well.the reduced cost of whirlwind makes it pretty easy to manage fury. The only real difference was that on a single target, wotb would eventually fall off, but I was able to spin constantly on a single target, without stopping, and without changing my gear or spec. WW build is still very viable with the right gear. My sig has my profile if you want to see stats.those who don't have my gear would probably do fine if they took animosity.
If you have multiple pieces of immortal kings then yes you are uber geared as one piece is worth more than almost 75-90% of casual players full gear.
Devil thanks for the info. You're stats are very similar to mine. How about switching War Cry impunity to War Cry Hardened Wrath, and then switching the armor passive to Superstition. I would think that this will also work and possibly give you better fury regeneration because of superstition. Sorry just brainstorming lol
I spent only a short time on the PTR and tried levels 8,9,10 and had little to no issue until 10. Granted I have pretty good gear, but my WW build is a bit different, I use a shield instead of a stat stick. I found that fury wasn't an issue however you'll watch your life spike very quickly, where LOH it was usually constantly full. The damage output seems really low from the mobs, so that was interesting, however the high life makes it so you're pretty much never without fury. I was using animosity at the time, however I may change it back to boon or another defensive when I figure out if I'll be dropping warcry for rend or revenge.
DevilCharm, thanks for your findings on this matter.
However, I had a look on your build, how to you get such high damage value, with only 1400+ strength?
Well take a look at Critical Hit Chance and Critical Hit Damage...
As I look through post about people going to the PTR and testing out builds I have noticed a few things. 1. Most people have very good gear on. 2. Must people are showing info from large groups of mobs. Do keep in mind it only takes 1 to kill you. With the nerfs and buffs coming to the bard I still think that WW brabs will still be around but go more the way of CM wizards and stack crit hit and dmg earlier and higher. Blizzard can never really kill a spec unless they remove the moves all together.
nice, now all we need is a fix for WW disconnects ^^
QFT. I've submitted two tickets and they haven't said crap.
WW Disconnects..the true nerf!
This is the answer I received on my ticket:
"Thank you for contacting us.
Firstly, I am very sorry for the long wait times at present with regards to our ticket queues, we are currently working through a very large number of contacts from our customers following patch 5.0.4 being released.
This is infact a known issue on our end. Whirlwind is causing some of our playerbase to disconnect and rubberband. Rest assured that we are investigating this further and we hope to have a solution implemented as soon as is possible I have passed another note along to the development team regarding this issue for now to see if the process can be sped up.
My apologies for the inconvenience caused, and thank you for you patience at this time."
Still hoping they will fix it in 1.0.5, but seeing they have known about this issue for several months, and still no fix, I doubt it.
It seems if you turn off 'vertical sync' in the graphic options section...the disconnects stop happening (can't confirm this, but it hasn't happened to me since!)
This didn't help me, still got disconnected. However, as strange as it sounds, running the game windowed fixed it. Havent had a DC during a week of heavy farming. Running full screen I had DCs every 5-10 minutes.
ah bummer, well at least windowed mode fixed it. I haven't been disconnected since (fingers crossed)...may have other factors considered such as graphics card, SLI, etc. I run a 680 GTX.
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I basicly pulled the entire map "Fields of Slaughter" together (Bridge of Korsik WP)....and I loved the result !
WW barb still extremely viable so do not fear !
1- Show us how godly your gear is. I suspect you have to use mighty weapon with high enough overall DPS to keep fury generation high and survive. With the new changes, the build becomes very gear dependent.
2- Instead of gathering all monsters together where it is easy to maintain WotB, do a regular farm route and show us if you are able to keep your WotB between packs.
This video is no proof for 'do not fear', the real challenge will be keeping WotB up between packs and the refresh rate of WotB. Sure you can still spin around a large group of monsters, but the real power of current WW spec is that you can keep WotB up %100 with mediocre gear.
Yep, this... What the OP has basically said here is "u think WW is dead?! this guy in 1.5 billion gold worth of gear is still able to do it so clearly it still works for every1!". If the patch remains as it is, the build isn't dead, I mean it'll still work but it wont compare to other builds unless ure gear is godlike. I mean lets face it, in his level of gear he could prob auto-attack through the game XD
As mentioned you can use just about any mishmash of skills once your gear is good enough. So try something fun.
Well, obviously I care. I have tried a lot of builds and characters. By no means I've spent little time on the game. I have all classes at 60, and mained a wizard for a long time. Not until I've come across barb and WW build, it did not feel like I was playing a 'hero', more like a headless chicken running around the first sight of an elite.
Literally, barb play felt like it was supposed to be, you are god among men, not an ant trying to cross the road on Times Square...
I do have OK gear, probably spent around 300 mil for it and I will upgrade it more with the money at hand which should be around 500m when 1.0.5 hits. However, when I've started WW build, I probably had 40-50m worth of gear and I've enjoyed the game more than all the 300+ hours I've played with my wizard.
This build WAS a good intro to all low budget players and a good way to get good gear. I've definitely gotten my share from it, I'll probably be able to use it after spending more gold on upgrades, but I just feel it is NOT right to tell people the build is not effected. The spec is hit and it is hit hard. Unless you up your DPS for survival and get particular equipment to keep up fury generation, you wont be able to use it effectively.
I've briefly tried the gear with my current gear and it was close to impossible to keep WotB up between packs.
And as for fun, this was the most fun I've ever had in the game over all 6 characters. Oh, may be not, I may had more fun for that day when wizards were immortal =)
good idea thanks !
QFT. I've submitted two tickets and they haven't said crap.
WW Disconnects..the true nerf!
It seems if you turn off 'vertical sync' in the graphic options section...the disconnects stop happening (can't confirm this, but it hasn't happened to me since!)
Devil thanks for the info. You're stats are very similar to mine. How about switching War Cry impunity to War Cry Hardened Wrath, and then switching the armor passive to Superstition. I would think that this will also work and possibly give you better fury regeneration because of superstition. Sorry just brainstorming lol
Well take a look at Critical Hit Chance and Critical Hit Damage...
ah bummer, well at least windowed mode fixed it. I haven't been disconnected since (fingers crossed)...may have other factors considered such as graphics card, SLI, etc. I run a 680 GTX.