Convention of Elements also lets you stack buffs on top of it to increase potency (like Wrath of the Berserker), giving it more value than the "average" of the 25% uptime, if you rend on the lightning buff and then use WOTB just as the Physical buff comes on you will be able to get 2 rotations of the physical buff during WOTB to maximise efficiency.
it's also a bonus that is present on non-elite packs and so has more of a broad value than SOJ. On top of that, you're only losing a secondary stat on the COE ring to get the bonus, not a primary and so that means you can have ideal base stats with no penalty.
Convention of Elements is the king now, the damage bonus is just too strong to let go.
I don't understand what you are referring to Bigbazz? If you use WOTB during the physical buff, how does that give you two rotations of the physical buff? And why would you want to use Rend during the lightning buff? Most people that use Rend use the physical rune.
I don't understand what you are referring to Bigbazz? If you use WOTB during the physical buff, how does that give you two rotations of the physical buff? And why would you want to use Rend during the lightning buff? Most people that use Rend use the physical rune.
You use Rend during the lightning so that you don't have to use it during the Physical, so that you spend the whole physical generating dust devils while rend ticks away. Using WOTB at that point is when you don't have Perma WOTB. A lot of people (myself included) are running Bul Kathos weapons instead of the 3rd piece of IK for the perma WOTB, so using WOTB at the right point is quite important with this ring.
Either by choice or lack of choice (due to drops), BK weapons are very strong anyway.
Why does it not show the damage if i am on physical i never see damage increase? i think this ring sucks.. 4 seconds is nothing then u have to wait over 30 sec again before physical comes in again ? wow... a stone of jordan is alot better and gives u dmg to elites way better against bosses if u ask me, i think a skull grasp is better since u have dmg nonstop and not for a few second a useless buff u dont notice anyway...
Why does it not show the damage if i am on physical i never see damage increase? i think this ring sucks.. 4 seconds is nothing then u have to wait over 30 sec again before physical comes in again ? wow... a stone of jordan is alot better and gives u dmg to elites way better against bosses if u ask me, i think a skull grasp is better since u have dmg nonstop and not for a few second a useless buff u dont notice anyway...
I don't understand what you are referring to Bigbazz? If you use WOTB during the physical buff, how does that give you two rotations of the physical buff? And why would you want to use Rend during the lightning buff? Most people that use Rend use the physical rune.
rend does not snapshot, meaning it changes its damage if your dps changes. So if you put your physical rend on while lightning buff and it switchs to physical buff, then rend will also be buffed for that duration.
If you put your rend on in "physical buff" then you not only waste time not whirling, but also waste time not having rend active when physical buff starts. If you put it on while "physical buff" and "physical buff" ends, then rend will also deal less damage from that point on.
When you run greater rifts, meaning 44+, convention is better, especially because you gonna leave most of the yellow packs behind.
If yoa wanna t6 speedfarm i suggest you use soj for that, so that you oneshot everything.
I wonder if it worth switching between my 2 rings (as pictured in starting post), because I already oneshot everything pretty much in T6 cause of the great roll of CoE.
If I switch to my SoJ, I'll lose 13,9% damage xD But hell, i'll give it a try.
Why does it not show the damage if i am on physical i never see damage increase? i think this ring sucks.. 4 seconds is nothing then u have to wait over 30 sec again before physical comes in again ? wow... a stone of jordan is alot better and gives u dmg to elites way better against bosses if u ask me, i think a skull grasp is better since u have dmg nonstop and not for a few second a useless buff u dont notice anyway...
25% uptime on a 150-200% damage buff, combined with perfect primary stats (STR/CC/CD/Socket)... Well if you think that sucks then sure go ahead and ignore it while everyone else uses it.
Why does it not show the damage if i am on physical i never see damage increase? i think this ring sucks.. 4 seconds is nothing then u have to wait over 30 sec again before physical comes in again ? wow... a stone of jordan is alot better and gives u dmg to elites way better against bosses if u ask me, i think a skull grasp is better since u have dmg nonstop and not for a few second a useless buff u dont notice anyway...
25% uptime on a 150-200% damage buff, combined with perfect primary stats (STR/CC/CD/Socket)... Well if you think that sucks then sure go ahead and ignore it while everyone else uses it.
Just dont bother anymore. Really from the first time all he has been saying is that SoJ is better and on some previous threads he was also insisting that Skull Grasp is going to be really good. Let him use his SoJ, some ppl are stuck in previous patches and can't adapt and accept that something that used to be good isn't anymore.
I'm currently running a 6WW-4IK Whirlrend build on my Seasonal Barb.
I've found a CoE ring pretty fast, and a nice one as well. But a few days ago I also found a very nice SoJ.
So my question now: Which ring will be better?
Stats are:
Convention of Elements also lets you stack buffs on top of it to increase potency (like Wrath of the Berserker), giving it more value than the "average" of the 25% uptime, if you rend on the lightning buff and then use WOTB just as the Physical buff comes on you will be able to get 2 rotations of the physical buff during WOTB to maximise efficiency.
it's also a bonus that is present on non-elite packs and so has more of a broad value than SOJ. On top of that, you're only losing a secondary stat on the COE ring to get the bonus, not a primary and so that means you can have ideal base stats with no penalty.
Convention of Elements is the king now, the damage bonus is just too strong to let go.
I don't understand what you are referring to Bigbazz? If you use WOTB during the physical buff, how does that give you two rotations of the physical buff? And why would you want to use Rend during the lightning buff? Most people that use Rend use the physical rune.
I'm not that good with all the numbers and calculations, so thnx allot for the replies guys
You use Rend during the lightning so that you don't have to use it during the Physical, so that you spend the whole physical generating dust devils while rend ticks away. Using WOTB at that point is when you don't have Perma WOTB. A lot of people (myself included) are running Bul Kathos weapons instead of the 3rd piece of IK for the perma WOTB, so using WOTB at the right point is quite important with this ring.
Either by choice or lack of choice (due to drops), BK weapons are very strong anyway.
Why does it not show the damage if i am on physical i never see damage increase? i think this ring sucks.. 4 seconds is nothing then u have to wait over 30 sec again before physical comes in again ? wow... a stone of jordan is alot better and gives u dmg to elites way better against bosses if u ask me, i think a skull grasp is better since u have dmg nonstop and not for a few second a useless buff u dont notice anyway...
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I wonder if it worth switching between my 2 rings (as pictured in starting post), because I already oneshot everything pretty much in T6 cause of the great roll of CoE.
If I switch to my SoJ, I'll lose 13,9% damage xD But hell, i'll give it a try.
25% uptime on a 150-200% damage buff, combined with perfect primary stats (STR/CC/CD/Socket)... Well if you think that sucks then sure go ahead and ignore it while everyone else uses it.
Just dont bother anymore. Really from the first time all he has been saying is that SoJ is better and on some previous threads he was also insisting that Skull Grasp is going to be really good. Let him use his SoJ, some ppl are stuck in previous patches and can't adapt and accept that something that used to be good isn't anymore.
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CoE proc does a load of damage, it was really noticeable when switching out for unity.
i have a similar conundrum picking whether to replace my regular CoE with an ancient one with a weaker elemental bonus.
I would gain 151 strength but lose out on 38% of the elemental bonus and also 0.5% crit chance. Thoughts?
SoJ easily, why would you want a non socketed ring?
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