Actually its a private server with different exp and drop rates for items. Its in no way cheating or giving you an advantage over anyone else on the server as they all have access to the same drops and exp rates. All it does is lets you mess around with high level amazingly geared characters without putting much time into it, which you yourself said you did not have a lot of. No need to get snippy when I was just suggesting a server a you'd probably enjoy buddy.
Otherwise why should the game have to be dumbed down for everyone when theres nothing wrong with it if some people can pwn hell and be competitive in pvp and others just cant becuase they can't figure it out. Contrary to your belief 10 hours a week is enough to do so. Sure you won't be on top of the ladder when it resets, one of the first through hell, or pwn any pvp games in the first week, but you'd get there.
Diablo II was never hard, so please stop with the bullshit. How is allowing respeccing "dumbing" the game down? Also, if you're a "serious" PVPER(You "PWN NOOBS", right?), I'm pretty sure Diablo is the last game you would be playing.
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Diablo II was never hard, so please stop with the bullshit. How is allowing respeccing "dumbing" the game down? Also, if you're a "serious" PVPER(You "PWN NOOBS", right?), I'm pretty sure Diablo is the last game you would be playing.
Exactly, its an easy game, so why are all these people saying how awesome respecs are because itll make it easier for them? How much easier can you make it before its just boring.
Actually, this would be the first game I play for pvp. I'm too poor to afford monthly fee games so all those are out of the question. I guess that leaves guild wars, but why would I want to play a game where I get banned for swearing when someone turns off their filter and reports me, takes no thought to spec a character out, offers infinite free respecs*barf*, has super generic gear that allows everyone to walk around as a clone, and takes no effort to level to max, or just lets you start at max level with a pvp only char. I can't even hostile someone in my instance thats being a douche bag. Guess that leaves first person shooters, which I would take D2 over any day, because I love the rpg aspect of planning, gearing, and leveling a character which not everyone else can duplicate without a fair amount of game knowledge.
If you know any online rpgs with better pvp that at least allows some leeway with killing people randomly when you feel like it, and lacks a monthly fee, please let me know, I'd like to try it out.
Exactly, its an easy game, so why are all these people saying how awesome respecs are because itll make it easier for them? How much easier can you make it before its just boring.
Actually, this would be the first game I play for pvp. I'm too poor to afford monthly fee games so all those are out of the question. I guess that leaves guild wars, but why would I want to play a game where I get banned for swearing when someone turns off their filter and reports me, takes no thought to spec a character out, offers infinite free respecs*barf*, has super generic gear that allows everyone to walk around as a clone, and takes no effort to level to max, or just lets you start at max level with a pvp only char. I can't even hostile someone in my instance thats being a douche bag. Guess that leaves first person shooters, which I would take D2 over any day, because I love the rpg aspect of planning, gearing, and leveling a character which not everyone else can duplicate without a fair amount of game knowledge.
If you know any online rpgs with better pvp that at least allows some leeway with killing people randomly when you feel like it, and lacks a monthly fee, please let me know, I'd like to try it out.
Have they said anything about what the cost to respec will be? I'm not worried about it for D2(I don't play anymore), but I'm curious for Diablo III. Surely they won't allow free respec on the fly without any type of cost or penalty.
Sadly, there isn't any decent PVP games, free or not currently. I'm pretty much on a gaming hiatus because of the lack of decent games to play. I still mess around with Brood War every now and then, and some TF2, but pretty much I'm waiting on Diablo III or anything interesting that comes along that I don't know about.
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Exactly, its an easy game, so why are all these people saying how awesome respecs are because itll make it easier for them? How much easier can you make it before its just boring.
Ok, seriously man, draw a freakin' line between EASY and TEDIOUS/LONG. Its not the same thing AT ALL. The game is easy respecing or not, having to spend hours more doesn't make a game HARDER.
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If you know any online rpgs with better pvp that at least allows some leeway with killing people randomly when you feel like it, and lacks a monthly fee, please let me know, I'd like to try it out.
Seriously, try and seek The 4th Coming and Abomination server. Nothing but no life in a server about PvP where you lose ALL your gear on the ground for others to pick when you die from another person. No respec in this game. All "skill" and spending 20 hours a day to keep up with the others. I'm sure you'd love that.
I already posted my opinion, but additional thoughts to think about when considering respec.
-If you can be godly in 5 minutes and get any gear and skills and everything you dream of easily, how long do you think you are going to play for; there is nothing to strive for.
-That being said respecing isn't going to allow you to become godly a in a few days, and once your tired of trying out all the different skills combinations, your going to demand that the next patch makes it take less time to get items etc.
(this argument can go both ways; meaning its not going to save you time so respec wont hurt vs its not going to save you time so why ruin a classic game system that people who actually still play love.)
-I personally think anyone who isn't still playing d2 opinions shouldn't matter for the patch, there not playing and respec certianly wont get them playing again. (For the system in D3 there opinions may be more relevant)
-I read somewhere that it will ruin a classic, it may, it may improve it though; besides reinstall the game and play SP without updating if it ruins it for you. I personally always play open battlenet so if it ruins it I will be disappointed.
-I'll reiterate me last post in this thread,:
The greater the challenge the more it worth pursing.
The easier it is to get the less it is convented.
Respecing done right may work, done wrong will ruin the lasting appeal d2 has offered me. It will ruin it because I will have tried every skill distribution and build possible with much less time and effort. That 'time' in the end is how I rate the game: A game is 1. Play through in 10 hours then it gets lost on your shelf, 2. Never finish it wasn't that good or 3. Play through, then over and over for countless hours because there is always something out there you haven't done or better to strive for.
Exactly, its an easy game, so why are all these people saying how awesome respecs are because itll make it easier for them? How much easier can you make it before its just boring.
Because then the rest of us who have lives- jobs, full-time college students, parents, et cetera- will not have to spend hours leveling over and over again every time we want to make a character. Instead, if we already have, say, a Blizzard Sorceress, we can just redistribute the skill points and have another build.
Forcing your opinion on everyone else like this because you think, in your opinion, it makes the game more "fun" or something, would be like forcing hardcore on softcore players. If you don't like it, don't use it.
If the only challenge of this game that is worth "pursuing" for you guys is running through the game, time and time again, the exact same way (getting rushed or grushed or whatever), you do not actually like Diablo II, you like the convenient and unintended glitches in the game that are not a part of it. You are only banking on nostalgia.
Diablo 2 was never a competitive game. It was mostly about PVM anyway.
I understand some of the "frustration" ppl have bcuz of respec, but this game is already old and done! You can't take this game "seriously" anymore, its just for fun.
I don't do rushing, and yes, I like running through the game each time. It's a lot more fun that MFing, and PvP is only fun for me once in awhile. The thing I love about Diablo 2 is just the game itself - the sounds enemies make when they die, how it looks when you cast a cool spell, etc. Leveling a character is my "excuse" for enjoying the game, it's the goal I work towards that allows to in the meantime have fun with the game itself.
That's all well and good, but I was talking about the majority of players on Battle.net. Running through that story over and over again, for years on end, is not fun for most people, since you know exactly what to expect each time.
"I don't see how forcing you to remake your character for a different build adds any fun to the game- it just means you have to do everything all over again. If you don't want to respec, then don't, no one is forcing you to."
thats the problem, most of the stupid shit they are putting in wont affect people that dont use it. but respecing will
"Forcing your opinion on everyone else like this because you think, in your opinion, it makes the game more "fun" or something, would be like forcing hardcore on softcore players. If you don't like it, don't use it."
its not like that at all, thats how the game is... blizzard is forcing their opinion on others.
"Diablo 2 was never a competitive game. It was mostly about PVM anyway."
lol, why are you on these forums?
"Because then the rest of us who have lives- jobs, full-time college students, parents, et cetera- will not have to spend hours leveling over and over again every time we want to make a character. Instead, if we already have, say, a Blizzard Sorceress, we can just redistribute the skill points and have another build."
i have a job, life, and physical fitness to take care of... after that my free time is spent on warcraft 3, and after this new patch im more then willing to change that to diablo 2. there are plenty of games already where you can just change ur shit whenever, diablo you cannot and it needs to stay that way.
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DIABLO = DEVIL its not supposed to be a nice game autostats are rediclous lack of pots is not welcome if it aint broke dont fix it! (diablo2)
I don't understand, people whine about the game being tedious to level new characters over and over, then turn around and whine about rushing being a glitch? Sure, theres glitch rushing, and yeah, thats a glitch, I couldnt care less either way if it was or wasnt removed in the patch. Legit rushing? How is it a glitch if I level to 24, do ancients and some norm baal runs, then have someone give me important nm waypoints and kill bosses for me?
its not like that at all, thats how the game is... blizzard is forcing their opinion on others.
Lol nice.
"Diablo 2 was never a competitive game. It was mostly about PVM anyway."
I'm not gonna say this games mostly about PVP as people play it for both, but PVP is a huge part of this game. A lot of people only play it for PVP'ing, PVM is just what they have to do to get the gear to PVP.
Ok, seriously man, draw a freakin' line between EASY and TEDIOUS/LONG. Its not the same thing AT ALL. The game is easy respecing or not, having to spend hours more doesn't make a game HARDER.
Its not tedious unless you want to mf/trade enough to gear a character good enough to do well in pvp, hit level 99, or repeatedly screw up characters over and over and over and never learn how to make them better. Guess blizzard should adjust drop rates on top notch gear and make leveling faster and the game will be completely fixed.
But while I'm agreeing with half of what you guys have said, you guys are not even trying to understand our arguments, evidence for this is the fact that I've already replied at least 5 times to the "if you don't like it, don't use it" thing, and yet you keep saying it
Its because the only reason anyone can come up with why they want respecs is wahhhh I shouldnt have to level another character because I made this one and its not what I want.
So just out of curiosity, if they are trying to implement a respec system into d2 for the patch as "testing" for d3. Does that mean the patch that could have been released by the 'end of April' is going to come out soon. Not claiming programming expertise or anything but if they are going to do a decent job on respec that will take time, alot of time. If its a quick slap on, I see respec for the patch being well... exactly that... patchy; it most likely wont integrate well with the rest of the game.
So not to deviate from the topic but is this patch more of a fantasy? Since SC2 got pushed back to next year, and another title is coming out next year... and the patch will probably come out, yep, Next Year.It makes me think that d3 isn't going to come out next year or, this rumored patch wont actually come out.
Not claiming programming expertise or anything but if they are going to do a decent job on respec that will take time, alot of time.
The perfect respec system wouldnt take any time at all to code. Its already in the game. Its called you screwed your character up, deal with it or make a new one.
The perfect respec system wouldnt take any time at all to code. Its already in the game. Its called you screwed your character up, deal with it or make a new one.
The perfect respec system wouldnt take any time at all to code. Its already in the game. Its called you screwed your character up, deal with it or make a new one.
That's not respeccing, that's trudging through the whole game again, repeating rinsed garbage, and painstakingly redoing all of your work with the hope you won't mess up again, at which point you would have to do the same thing over.
So not to deviate from the topic but is this patch more of a fantasy? Since SC2 got pushed back to next year, and another title is coming out next year... and the patch will probably come out, yep, Next Year. It makes me think that d3 isn't going to come out next year or, this rumored patch wont actually come out.
I don't think so. Initially I would have thought so, but because of the widespread critical response the Diablo fan base continues to give, on the Battle.net forums and elsewhere, there is just no way that they could just push it off forever. Not to mention they basically made the whole thing official by creating an entire forum for it on the Battle.net board. That is just my opinion, though.
Its respeccing with a varying cost based on your ability to learn the game.
at which point you would have to do the same thing over.
Click on monster, kill it, pick up loot, repeat.
Click on monster, kill it, pick up loot, repeat.
Click on monster, kill it, pick up loot, repeat.
Its Diablo, whats your point? People have been doing the same thing over and over since its been released, yet keep coming back for more. Lets not praise the features that seperate this game from other games, lets just mainstream it so it sucks more and we all get bored of it.
Respecs are an awesome idea, lots of other games have respecs, why shouldnt this one??!(this was meant to be extremely sarcastic but I feel the need to clarify just to make sure)
Um, lots of other games are point, click, kill monster, pick up loot, repeat. Diablo is not original in that sense. The idea is to have a content patch that makes the game better, not one that allows every game flaw to persist.
Um, lots of other games are point, click, kill monster, pick up loot, repeat. Diablo is not original in that sense. The idea is to have a content patch that makes the game better, not one that allows every game flaw to persist.
Your labeling things that have been a part of the game since its launch as a flaw because you don't like it. Glitches are glitches, and they do exist, I'm not gonna argue theres glitches in the game that shouldnt even be fixed. I'd love to see farcasting and aura stacking patched with 1.13. I hate desynching, ibs, and invis hammers as well and wish they'd fix that.
My point was, maybe not everyone wants to play games where your attached at the hip to your character, which isnt the case with D2, and your calling it a flaw. I can spend a few days on a character, not like him, erase him, trade off all his gear, and make a different character with relatively little time investment compared to what a lot of other games take to level characters. On the flipside I might decide I really like that particular character and spend an entire ladder leveling him and improving his gear. Heres a feature that really stands out from a lot of other online games and you call it a flaw. I call it genius.
Your labeling things that have been a part of the game since its launch as a flaw because you don't like it.
I'm labeling poor development choices as flaws, although, yes, the glitches you mentioned above are also flaws that should be patched.
My point was, maybe not everyone wants to play games where your attached at the hip to your character, which isnt the case with D2, and your calling it a flaw.
You seem to be under the impression that the game would force you to respec. You can full well make as many characters as you want at any time if you don't want to respec.
I can spend a few days on a character, not like him, erase him, trade off all his gear, and make a different character with relatively little time investment compared to what a lot of other games take to level characters.
So, if you value this "very little time investment", which hangs on wasting a good couple of hours doing the same exact things over in the game, why not just remove the time investment completely so that you can do what really matters with your character- play it?
On the flipside I might decide I really like that particular character and spend an entire ladder leveling him and improving his gear.
Um, there would be nothing stopping you from doing so.
Heres a feature that really stands out from a lot of other online games and you call it a flaw.
No, I never said "picking a character you like and spending a lot of time on them" is a flaw. I said that irrevocable placing of skill points is a flaw because it is not user-friendly, does not fit with the fast-paced play style of Diablo II, and does not empower the user in any way. It only slows the playing process while you trudge through the entire game again through a storyline you've memorizes, usually ignoring the text offered by NPC's, or rushing, which is exploiting a glitch that doesn't need to be there, just to redo a character. None of that is fun to most players or we wouldn't have all these rush games all over the place. Put full respeccing in and that problem is gone. That flaw is gone.
And, of course, anyone is fully within their rights to make a new character any time they like, nothing would be preventing them from doing so. And you would also be fully within your rights to keep the same character for eternity if you wanted to.
. I said that irrevocable placing of skill points is a flaw because it is not user-friendly, does not fit with the fast-paced play style of Diablo II, and does not empower the user in any way.
i disagree.
the irrevocable placing of a skill makes the skill choice meaningful and it has a permanent impact on your character: it becomes PART Of your character.
after that choice, your character will always have that skill. that means something to me that i guess i can't even explain.
placing a skill, that you know will always be there forever hence, makes it fundamental to your character. there's something safe and satisfying about that, and at the same time i think it is empowering to the user. you have the power and control to decide something for your character that essentially defines him.
this is perhaps a dumb example, but if someone hacked your account (which, by the way, has never happened to me yet) they could delete the character, erasing him from existence, but they could never alter your skill choices for him.
your choices mark your character forever.. they become Who that character IS.
i think i give up trying to rationalize it.
a trap assassin vs a melee assassin, a fire sorc vs a cold sorc... they are different characters completely. making them interchangable, at any level, FEELS wrong.
maybe this feeling is something that the rest of the community does not recognize or appreciate, but it's something that was cultivated in me through years of diablo play.
permanent choices are diablo.
anyway my point is that irrevocable, permanent choices are not a flaw to me; they are deeply important to my diablo experience, both for the gravity of the decision itself and for what it means to the character.
no point in arguing about it. we all have our own opinions and the respec system will come despite any of them.
just hope it's something we can all live with.
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Diablo II was never hard, so please stop with the bullshit. How is allowing respeccing "dumbing" the game down? Also, if you're a "serious" PVPER(You "PWN NOOBS", right?), I'm pretty sure Diablo is the last game you would be playing.
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Exactly, its an easy game, so why are all these people saying how awesome respecs are because itll make it easier for them? How much easier can you make it before its just boring.
Actually, this would be the first game I play for pvp. I'm too poor to afford monthly fee games so all those are out of the question. I guess that leaves guild wars, but why would I want to play a game where I get banned for swearing when someone turns off their filter and reports me, takes no thought to spec a character out, offers infinite free respecs*barf*, has super generic gear that allows everyone to walk around as a clone, and takes no effort to level to max, or just lets you start at max level with a pvp only char. I can't even hostile someone in my instance thats being a douche bag. Guess that leaves first person shooters, which I would take D2 over any day, because I love the rpg aspect of planning, gearing, and leveling a character which not everyone else can duplicate without a fair amount of game knowledge.
If you know any online rpgs with better pvp that at least allows some leeway with killing people randomly when you feel like it, and lacks a monthly fee, please let me know, I'd like to try it out.
Have they said anything about what the cost to respec will be? I'm not worried about it for D2(I don't play anymore), but I'm curious for Diablo III. Surely they won't allow free respec on the fly without any type of cost or penalty.
Sadly, there isn't any decent PVP games, free or not currently. I'm pretty much on a gaming hiatus because of the lack of decent games to play. I still mess around with Brood War every now and then, and some TF2, but pretty much I'm waiting on Diablo III or anything interesting that comes along that I don't know about.
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Ok, seriously man, draw a freakin' line between EASY and TEDIOUS/LONG. Its not the same thing AT ALL. The game is easy respecing or not, having to spend hours more doesn't make a game HARDER.
Seriously, try and seek The 4th Coming and Abomination server. Nothing but no life in a server about PvP where you lose ALL your gear on the ground for others to pick when you die from another person. No respec in this game. All "skill" and spending 20 hours a day to keep up with the others. I'm sure you'd love that.
-If you can be godly in 5 minutes and get any gear and skills and everything you dream of easily, how long do you think you are going to play for; there is nothing to strive for.
-That being said respecing isn't going to allow you to become godly a in a few days, and once your tired of trying out all the different skills combinations, your going to demand that the next patch makes it take less time to get items etc.
(this argument can go both ways; meaning its not going to save you time so respec wont hurt vs its not going to save you time so why ruin a classic game system that people who actually still play love.)
-I personally think anyone who isn't still playing d2 opinions shouldn't matter for the patch, there not playing and respec certianly wont get them playing again. (For the system in D3 there opinions may be more relevant)
-I read somewhere that it will ruin a classic, it may, it may improve it though; besides reinstall the game and play SP without updating if it ruins it for you. I personally always play open battlenet so if it ruins it I will be disappointed.
-I'll reiterate me last post in this thread,:
The greater the challenge the more it worth pursing.
The easier it is to get the less it is convented.
Respecing done right may work, done wrong will ruin the lasting appeal d2 has offered me. It will ruin it because I will have tried every skill distribution and build possible with much less time and effort. That 'time' in the end is how I rate the game: A game is 1. Play through in 10 hours then it gets lost on your shelf, 2. Never finish it wasn't that good or 3. Play through, then over and over for countless hours because there is always something out there you haven't done or better to strive for.
Because then the rest of us who have lives- jobs, full-time college students, parents, et cetera- will not have to spend hours leveling over and over again every time we want to make a character. Instead, if we already have, say, a Blizzard Sorceress, we can just redistribute the skill points and have another build.
Forcing your opinion on everyone else like this because you think, in your opinion, it makes the game more "fun" or something, would be like forcing hardcore on softcore players. If you don't like it, don't use it.
If the only challenge of this game that is worth "pursuing" for you guys is running through the game, time and time again, the exact same way (getting rushed or grushed or whatever), you do not actually like Diablo II, you like the convenient and unintended glitches in the game that are not a part of it. You are only banking on nostalgia.
I understand some of the "frustration" ppl have bcuz of respec, but this game is already old and done! You can't take this game "seriously" anymore, its just for fun.
That's all well and good, but I was talking about the majority of players on Battle.net. Running through that story over and over again, for years on end, is not fun for most people, since you know exactly what to expect each time.
thats the problem, most of the stupid shit they are putting in wont affect people that dont use it. but respecing will
"Forcing your opinion on everyone else like this because you think, in your opinion, it makes the game more "fun" or something, would be like forcing hardcore on softcore players. If you don't like it, don't use it."
its not like that at all, thats how the game is... blizzard is forcing their opinion on others.
"Diablo 2 was never a competitive game. It was mostly about PVM anyway."
lol, why are you on these forums?
"Because then the rest of us who have lives- jobs, full-time college students, parents, et cetera- will not have to spend hours leveling over and over again every time we want to make a character. Instead, if we already have, say, a Blizzard Sorceress, we can just redistribute the skill points and have another build."
i have a job, life, and physical fitness to take care of... after that my free time is spent on warcraft 3, and after this new patch im more then willing to change that to diablo 2. there are plenty of games already where you can just change ur shit whenever, diablo you cannot and it needs to stay that way.
its not supposed to be a nice game
autostats are rediclous
lack of pots is not welcome
if it aint broke dont fix it! (diablo2)
Lol nice.
I'm not gonna say this games mostly about PVP as people play it for both, but PVP is a huge part of this game. A lot of people only play it for PVP'ing, PVM is just what they have to do to get the gear to PVP.
Its not tedious unless you want to mf/trade enough to gear a character good enough to do well in pvp, hit level 99, or repeatedly screw up characters over and over and over and never learn how to make them better. Guess blizzard should adjust drop rates on top notch gear and make leveling faster and the game will be completely fixed.
Its because the only reason anyone can come up with why they want respecs is wahhhh I shouldnt have to level another character because I made this one and its not what I want.
even if your allowed to respec one time, its still a joke
its not supposed to be a nice game
autostats are rediclous
lack of pots is not welcome
if it aint broke dont fix it! (diablo2)
So not to deviate from the topic but is this patch more of a fantasy? Since SC2 got pushed back to next year, and another title is coming out next year... and the patch will probably come out, yep, Next Year. It makes me think that d3 isn't going to come out next year or, this rumored patch wont actually come out.
The perfect respec system wouldnt take any time at all to code. Its already in the game. Its called you screwed your character up, deal with it or make a new one.
......Sigh
That's not respeccing, that's trudging through the whole game again, repeating rinsed garbage, and painstakingly redoing all of your work with the hope you won't mess up again, at which point you would have to do the same thing over.
I don't think so. Initially I would have thought so, but because of the widespread critical response the Diablo fan base continues to give, on the Battle.net forums and elsewhere, there is just no way that they could just push it off forever. Not to mention they basically made the whole thing official by creating an entire forum for it on the Battle.net board. That is just my opinion, though.
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Its respeccing with a varying cost based on your ability to learn the game.
Click on monster, kill it, pick up loot, repeat.
Click on monster, kill it, pick up loot, repeat.
Click on monster, kill it, pick up loot, repeat.
Its Diablo, whats your point? People have been doing the same thing over and over since its been released, yet keep coming back for more. Lets not praise the features that seperate this game from other games, lets just mainstream it so it sucks more and we all get bored of it.
Respecs are an awesome idea, lots of other games have respecs, why shouldnt this one??!(this was meant to be extremely sarcastic but I feel the need to clarify just to make sure)
Your labeling things that have been a part of the game since its launch as a flaw because you don't like it. Glitches are glitches, and they do exist, I'm not gonna argue theres glitches in the game that shouldnt even be fixed. I'd love to see farcasting and aura stacking patched with 1.13. I hate desynching, ibs, and invis hammers as well and wish they'd fix that.
My point was, maybe not everyone wants to play games where your attached at the hip to your character, which isnt the case with D2, and your calling it a flaw. I can spend a few days on a character, not like him, erase him, trade off all his gear, and make a different character with relatively little time investment compared to what a lot of other games take to level characters. On the flipside I might decide I really like that particular character and spend an entire ladder leveling him and improving his gear. Heres a feature that really stands out from a lot of other online games and you call it a flaw. I call it genius.
I'm labeling poor development choices as flaws, although, yes, the glitches you mentioned above are also flaws that should be patched.
You seem to be under the impression that the game would force you to respec. You can full well make as many characters as you want at any time if you don't want to respec.
So, if you value this "very little time investment", which hangs on wasting a good couple of hours doing the same exact things over in the game, why not just remove the time investment completely so that you can do what really matters with your character- play it?
Um, there would be nothing stopping you from doing so.
No, I never said "picking a character you like and spending a lot of time on them" is a flaw. I said that irrevocable placing of skill points is a flaw because it is not user-friendly, does not fit with the fast-paced play style of Diablo II, and does not empower the user in any way. It only slows the playing process while you trudge through the entire game again through a storyline you've memorizes, usually ignoring the text offered by NPC's, or rushing, which is exploiting a glitch that doesn't need to be there, just to redo a character. None of that is fun to most players or we wouldn't have all these rush games all over the place. Put full respeccing in and that problem is gone. That flaw is gone.
And, of course, anyone is fully within their rights to make a new character any time they like, nothing would be preventing them from doing so. And you would also be fully within your rights to keep the same character for eternity if you wanted to.
I call it hindsight.
i disagree.
the irrevocable placing of a skill makes the skill choice meaningful and it has a permanent impact on your character: it becomes PART Of your character.
after that choice, your character will always have that skill. that means something to me that i guess i can't even explain.
placing a skill, that you know will always be there forever hence, makes it fundamental to your character. there's something safe and satisfying about that, and at the same time i think it is empowering to the user. you have the power and control to decide something for your character that essentially defines him.
this is perhaps a dumb example, but if someone hacked your account (which, by the way, has never happened to me yet) they could delete the character, erasing him from existence, but they could never alter your skill choices for him.
your choices mark your character forever.. they become Who that character IS.
i think i give up trying to rationalize it.
a trap assassin vs a melee assassin, a fire sorc vs a cold sorc... they are different characters completely. making them interchangable, at any level, FEELS wrong.
maybe this feeling is something that the rest of the community does not recognize or appreciate, but it's something that was cultivated in me through years of diablo play.
permanent choices are diablo.
anyway my point is that irrevocable, permanent choices are not a flaw to me; they are deeply important to my diablo experience, both for the gravity of the decision itself and for what it means to the character.
no point in arguing about it. we all have our own opinions and the respec system will come despite any of them.
just hope it's something we can all live with.
they'll never see me coming..
life is a sequence of tragedies, inconsistent only by fleeting, elusive moments of pleasure,
serving only to ensure absolute vulnerability to the pain of their inevitable absence.