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Hmm, that doesn't seem to make any chronological sense to me. In the second cinematic, Diablo is in the desert. To get there, he would have to have passed through the Rogue Monastery. However if that was where he first found Marius, it would mean that after passing the Monastery, he went all the way to a place where there is snow, just to get marius, and then went all the way back and into the desert.
i think you and Elfen are confused. Marius started at the Rogue monastery, and then traveled to the inn in the moutain pass through the range that separates the monastery/western kingdoms and the desert (hence the snow).
"It could just be me, but i dont think the caravan route is actually in the monastery, rather next to or near it, the rogue pass is on the map of Sanctuary."
"but then again Deckard does say Andariel is blocking it, if it was above ground how, from the bottom of the catacombs could she be blocking it."
the actual pass is not underground. at the monastery enterance, to the right abit, there is a HUGE wooden gate and a road (that you cannot travel through or activate). that is the beginning of the pass. you basically just go into the monastery and decend to kill andariel to free the monastery from her control, because i dont think anyone would use the gate if hundreds of demons were in the area.
so you were right Elfen, the gate isn't "in" the monastery, tho it is part of the building structure, just off to the side (keep in mind that the citadel is supposed to be on a mountain foothill)
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----------------------- "What man, anywhere under Heaven's high arch, has fought in such darkness, endured more misery or been harder pressed?" -Beowulf
no, Marius was at Tristram. that is where they started out. then they went to the Rogue Camp, then to the desert, then to Kurast, and then Marius went to the Asylum. this makes so much more sense.
i may have confused the inn for the rogue citadel, as marius says he spent time there.
and i did forget about that damned gate thing.
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I also had the view of Amrius being in Tristram all the time Carloseus. The only thing I don't see that fits with that idea, is that in his dream he sees The Wanderer. Obviously Diablo was not in that form while the demons still haunted Tristam. but hen again it is a dream ,and maybe he associates The Wanderer with that event in his head. He obviously knows that the Wanderer is Diablo, as he sais in the first cinematic.
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well the diablo 1 manual tells that many heroes tried and failed to defeat diablo, and heroes often know one another, prehaps marius was once a hero, like farhnam and elzix. once the warrior defeated diablo it is recorded he spent some time in tristram after he defeated diablo, he would be pretty renowned for his victory, many people would know who he is and what he did.
then i believe the forces of hell made a big push for the surface and destroyed tristram or something to this effect, many people fled, prehaps marius did the same, meet up eith the wanderer some time later.
I beleive marius must have had some expreience with a weapon, i doubt whether the wanderer would take a nobody with him to free his brother/s (i say brother as it is unclear as to whether mephisto was still imprisoned at the time of their departure)
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Yeah I always had never really understood why Diablo pick Marius. Why him? I can see it from the point of the developers, they wished to have narrator and a way to save Baal and all that.
Well, the warrior emerged victorious from the Monastery, adn there was celebrations and all that. But as Cain says (I think it was him), the Warrior became more and more drawn in on himlself, often awaking screaming in the night. One day he left, and after that the demons poured through.
That day he left must have been when Diablo finally managed to get total control over his host, since I can imagine a spirit as strong as a warrior capable of facing Terror itself must be strong.
Marius moste definately however fled from Diablo, as he says in the opening: "...and the evil from my dreams, followed me in my heels. How had he found me here?"
Then Diablo goes about to kill everybody except Marius. Obviously Marius was being chased. He was the only one to have any contact with Diablo prior to the first cinematic, and the only one left alive.
His purpose I think may have been a practical one. Diablo didn't exacly look friendly, and he wasn't very physically stong. A man to follow him would most certainly look as a servant of some sort during the travels, and would perhaps reassure other humans. This is hypothetical, as we don't really know how much contact Diablo had with towns and if such a helper would have been needed. But maybe Diablo thought "better safe than sorry."
Argh, if only Blizzard had named The Rogue Monastery "The Cloister" instead or something,everything would have been solved by now
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i read the order that one of you listed (sorry i dont remember who) but when you enter duriels tomb and fight him doesnt he say that you just missed diablo or some affect like that. then when in kurast you see that dark wonderer who turns into those stupid thing, couldnt that be diablo since you had just missed him in the second act.
yes it is diablo, marius was not with diablo in act 3. he ran off when tyrael was fighting diablo, marius appears later in act 3 when the prime evils gather before the portal
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yes that is correct. i believe that marius was a former hero though, he did make the comment about the wanderer. about how he could barely carry the weight of his own sword. and the fact that diablo wants marius to accompany him is also wierd. he wanted someone to accompany him for no reason except for maybe the servant theory. he even showed marius baals torture through his dreams. why would he do this?? maybe the three evils like marius. idk
honestly i dont believe maruis plays an important role other than he progresses the story. he gives to us diablo's motives and timeline of were he has been.
Marius was manipulated by the Evil side. Diablo used him to get further in his journeys, and Baal even tells Marius, "You've done exactly as you are meant to do".
That can imply a lot. You would think that Baal and Diablo knew that Tyrael would appear and that someone had to pull the stone out and save it, but if they could foresee the future I think Heaven would have been conquered by now.
What he means I think is that he became overcome with fear and couldn't destroy the stone. So he was "meant" to save the stone for Baal.
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nice point. of course the prime evils cannot have the gift of foresight, for i and few others that i know of have that gift. even then it is limited to few events or circumstances and very small windows, you cannot completely tell what is happening or is going to happen.
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i think you and Elfen are confused. Marius started at the Rogue monastery, and then traveled to the inn in the moutain pass through the range that separates the monastery/western kingdoms and the desert (hence the snow).
"It could just be me, but i dont think the caravan route is actually in the monastery, rather next to or near it, the rogue pass is on the map of Sanctuary."
"but then again Deckard does say Andariel is blocking it, if it was above ground how, from the bottom of the catacombs could she be blocking it."
the actual pass is not underground. at the monastery enterance, to the right abit, there is a HUGE wooden gate and a road (that you cannot travel through or activate). that is the beginning of the pass. you basically just go into the monastery and decend to kill andariel to free the monastery from her control, because i dont think anyone would use the gate if hundreds of demons were in the area.
so you were right Elfen, the gate isn't "in" the monastery, tho it is part of the building structure, just off to the side (keep in mind that the citadel is supposed to be on a mountain foothill)
"What man, anywhere under Heaven's high arch, has fought in such darkness, endured more misery or been harder pressed?"
-Beowulf
and i did forget about that damned gate thing.
then i believe the forces of hell made a big push for the surface and destroyed tristram or something to this effect, many people fled, prehaps marius did the same, meet up eith the wanderer some time later.
I beleive marius must have had some expreience with a weapon, i doubt whether the wanderer would take a nobody with him to free his brother/s (i say brother as it is unclear as to whether mephisto was still imprisoned at the time of their departure)
Well, the warrior emerged victorious from the Monastery, adn there was celebrations and all that. But as Cain says (I think it was him), the Warrior became more and more drawn in on himlself, often awaking screaming in the night. One day he left, and after that the demons poured through.
That day he left must have been when Diablo finally managed to get total control over his host, since I can imagine a spirit as strong as a warrior capable of facing Terror itself must be strong.
Marius moste definately however fled from Diablo, as he says in the opening: "...and the evil from my dreams, followed me in my heels. How had he found me here?"
Then Diablo goes about to kill everybody except Marius. Obviously Marius was being chased. He was the only one to have any contact with Diablo prior to the first cinematic, and the only one left alive.
His purpose I think may have been a practical one. Diablo didn't exacly look friendly, and he wasn't very physically stong. A man to follow him would most certainly look as a servant of some sort during the travels, and would perhaps reassure other humans. This is hypothetical, as we don't really know how much contact Diablo had with towns and if such a helper would have been needed. But maybe Diablo thought "better safe than sorry."
Argh, if only Blizzard had named The Rogue Monastery "The Cloister" instead or something,everything would have been solved by now
That can imply a lot. You would think that Baal and Diablo knew that Tyrael would appear and that someone had to pull the stone out and save it, but if they could foresee the future I think Heaven would have been conquered by now.
What he means I think is that he became overcome with fear and couldn't destroy the stone. So he was "meant" to save the stone for Baal.