Yesterday, I picked up a decent Bombadier Rucksack and decided to re-roll the socket for +% Sentry damage as most M6 DHs tend to do.
After spending 800 million gold and many veils, I only got +11% Sentry damage and only saw sentry damage appear once. I lost count of how may re-rolls I had done but I know I depleted 800 million gold the reroll cost had risen to over 15 million per roll.
Although I appreciate enchanting is gambling, I do feel the RNG / enchantress can be overly cruel and could be improved a bit ?
1. Only seeing 1 Sentry damage choice after 800 million. I expected to see it 8 to 10 times given the number of rolls and number of possible affixes
2. Seeing hatred generation appear in over a third of rolls. It was in virtually every re-roll as a choice at the start. Maybe it's weighted higher ?. no idea.
3. Having only 2 choices in addition to your existing affix
Not sure if anyone else has experienced this. If not, then it's a case of badluck for me.
Had the same thing happen in the past. Skill damage is a pretty easy roll to get, but there are so many possibilities (I think every skill can roll on quiver) that it is hard to get sentry, let alone the full 15%. Then again, gold should not be an issue, and if you pick up all items crafting mats should not be an issue either. Just keep rolling, it's a way to get gold and mats out the game again.
Although I appreciate enchanting is gambling, I do feel the RNG / enchantress can be overly cruel and could be improved a bit ?
2. Seeing hatred generation appear in over a third of rolls. It was in virtually every re-roll as a choice at the start. Maybe it's weighted higher ?. no idea.
Moved your post to the RNG thread, because that's where it belongs.
Edit: Moved it back, replies seemed to indicate this is a topic people want to talk about.
Yes, you were unlucky. That being said, hatred regen and vitality are more common rolls on quivers, and you have just sooo many options on a quiver that everything's statistically possible.
I've recently blown all my Veiled Crystals trying to get elite damage reduction on a Blackthorne's chest - no luck.
Btw, it's not the Enchantress - it's the Mystic. Enchantress is your follower ;-) I'll edit the title.
Not getting 15% within 2-3 billions is totally normal. I needed to roll to 30.5m (per roll) on my current one and my others before it have all been 15-17m per roll before I got what I needed. The same has been the case for many of my friends on their bombardiers, worst I've heard of is 50m+ per roll on Bombardiers rucksack.
After spending 800 million gold and many veils, I only got +11% Sentry damage and only saw sentry damage appear once. I lost count of how may re-rolls I had done but I know I depleted 800 million gold the reroll cost had risen to over 15 million per roll.
Although I appreciate enchanting is gambling, I do feel the RNG / enchantress can be overly cruel and could be improved a bit ?
Not sure if anyone else has experienced this. If not, then it's a case of badluck for me.
Keep calm, dude
Not only you but many other DHs have faced this problem. 2 of my Clan members, they've spent 2 - 3 billions on rolling % Sentry damage.
You already known it's gambling, so it's luck and bad luck always.
Now we have Hoarder gem, so I don't think gold is a big problem here.
Good luck again
But it seems like some stats are harder to roll than others?
It's like if you have 8 possible stats to get on your reroll. Some of them will show up again and again. While others never turn up.
It does not seem like there is an equal chance to roll all stats.
But it seems like some stats are harder to roll than others?
It's like if you have 8 possible stats to get on your reroll. Some of them will show up again and again. While others never turn up.
It does not seem like there is an equal chance to roll all stats.
Yes, this is the case. For example, bleed damage (on weapons) or elite damage reduction (chest+shield) is very rare and much harder to get than, for example, main stats.
But it seems like some stats are harder to roll than others?
It's like if you have 8 possible stats to get on your reroll. Some of them will show up again and again. While others never turn up.
It does not seem like there is an equal chance to roll all stats.
I saw the goblin poertal comment and was about to get all RNG thread, and then I remembered the obscene gold required on some of these rare rolls.
So I deflated and kept reading. And then I was all "it is weighted differently" and then couldn't find the other thread...
As for the cow/vault, I'm closing in on 2500 rifts ( I think) and no cows, no Lord of the Bells, but i have had 4 vaults, maybe 5? And I haven't seen a Ramaladni's since the week after the patch dropped...( got three prior though)...
So Ruk, you're not sucking alone, and YES the weights for some of these Mystic rolls are horrendous.
Having a similar problem on my Earthshaker barb. Got Haunt of Vaxo with pretty good stats, all I wanted was to replace Vit with Crit to exchange for my original, quite horrible Haunt of Vaxo. Thank god it's an amulet. I can't even recall how many millions I have spent upgrading gems (before and after the gem crafting cost for jewelry was made cheaper) to reroll that fucking amulet. I'm definitely getting close to a hundred rerolls on it. Haven't seen crit damage ONCE. Not even a lowly amount, nothing, nada, zilch. And it doesn't even have that many stats to roll. Starting to feel like maybe the mystic shows she can roll it but she actually can't. I've had some bad luck with rerolling before but not like this. I guess the game compensates it with giving each of my characters about 2 Ramaladni's per 30 Riftskeys + consequent Grifts. You know what? Keep your ramaladni, I want that crit damnit!
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I do the following... I go to another act and try again..... has worked numerous times.
Could be luck.... but if after 5 tries in the other act I don't get the affix value I want... I give up and call it quits.
I do the following... I go to another act and try again..... has worked numerous times.
Could be luck.... but if after 5 tries in the other act I don't get the affix value I want... I give up and call it quits.
A self-applied placebo, no doubt. Try balancing a shoe on your head. It increases your chances like 104%.
Anecdotal to be sure, but I used to do the same thing, 4 or 5 rolls and on to something else, try again later. Of course now that I have at any given time 200-300 million (there is NO reason to have more so don't bother) it's really only materials limitations now, and those are getting less and less constricting, although I AM seeing my blues dwindle a bit and am now selling off yelllow crystals (WTF?).
But rather than obsess on which colors is dropping less, which is droppingmore, I just sell which ever gets to be too much.
I wil say this didn't happen until I started concentrating more on rifts and less on bounties, to drop my stash of rift keys, so it seems to be a constant balancing act.
Anyway, I never really saw anything I'd refer to as a roll that simply wouldn't happen UNTIL I got stupid wealthy and too stupid to walk away. Usually it seemed like 5 rolls, walk away, 3 or 4 of these 5 roll attempts max and done, quite usually successfully.
Thanks for the replies, correction of the title and the link :). It confirms what I suspected about the weighting. I had actually spent the 800 million across different games just to eliminate the possibility of having a bad RNG instance but it made no difference to me.
Last night, I re-rolled a few more times and in haste, salvaged the rucksack. Why ?, because the re-roll cost was ridiculous and the prospect of farming ( with boon of hoarder gem ) at 60/70/80 million gold / hour to re-roll 4 times really turned me off. Having re-rolled over 130 times and only seen the sentry affix once with 11%, and again last night again with 11%, I feel it's not gonna happen. I'll stick to my existing rucksack
Yesterday, I picked up a decent Bombadier Rucksack and decided to re-roll the socket for +% Sentry damage as most M6 DHs tend to do.
After spending 800 million gold and many veils, I only got +11% Sentry damage and only saw sentry damage appear once. I lost count of how may re-rolls I had done but I know I depleted 800 million gold the reroll cost had risen to over 15 million per roll.
Although I appreciate enchanting is gambling, I do feel the RNG / enchantress can be overly cruel and could be improved a bit ?
1. Only seeing 1 Sentry damage choice after 800 million. I expected to see it 8 to 10 times given the number of rolls and number of possible affixes
2. Seeing hatred generation appear in over a third of rolls. It was in virtually every re-roll as a choice at the start. Maybe it's weighted higher ?. no idea.
3. Having only 2 choices in addition to your existing affix
Not sure if anyone else has experienced this. If not, then it's a case of badluck for me.
Had the same thing happen in the past. Skill damage is a pretty easy roll to get, but there are so many possibilities (I think every skill can roll on quiver) that it is hard to get sentry, let alone the full 15%. Then again, gold should not be an issue, and if you pick up all items crafting mats should not be an issue either. Just keep rolling, it's a way to get gold and mats out the game again.
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Moved your post to the RNG thread, because that's where it belongs.Edit: Moved it back, replies seemed to indicate this is a topic people want to talk about.
Yes, you were unlucky. That being said, hatred regen and vitality are more common rolls on quivers, and you have just sooo many options on a quiver that everything's statistically possible.
I've recently blown all my Veiled Crystals trying to get elite damage reduction on a Blackthorne's chest - no luck.
Btw, it's not the Enchantress - it's the Mystic. Enchantress is your follower ;-) I'll edit the title.
Not only you but many other DHs have faced this problem. 2 of my Clan members, they've spent 2 - 3 billions on rolling % Sentry damage.
You already known it's gambling, so it's luck and bad luck always.
Now we have Hoarder gem, so I don't think gold is a big problem here.
Good luck again
It's like if you have 8 possible stats to get on your reroll. Some of them will show up again and again. While others never turn up.
It does not seem like there is an equal chance to roll all stats.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/288xch/datamined_rarity_of_all_affixes_calculating_your/
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Spiral-1401/hero/65250518
Can't wait for it, but I suppose I'll have too.
I do appreciate the fact that they actually made these instances quite rare, but some folks seem to get more than their share of go's.
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So I deflated and kept reading. And then I was all "it is weighted differently" and then couldn't find the other thread...
As for the cow/vault, I'm closing in on 2500 rifts ( I think) and no cows, no Lord of the Bells, but i have had 4 vaults, maybe 5? And I haven't seen a Ramaladni's since the week after the patch dropped...( got three prior though)...
So Ruk, you're not sucking alone, and YES the weights for some of these Mystic rolls are horrendous.
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What? Me worry?
Could be luck.... but if after 5 tries in the other act I don't get the affix value I want... I give up and call it quits.
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But rather than obsess on which colors is dropping less, which is droppingmore, I just sell which ever gets to be too much.
I wil say this didn't happen until I started concentrating more on rifts and less on bounties, to drop my stash of rift keys, so it seems to be a constant balancing act.
Anyway, I never really saw anything I'd refer to as a roll that simply wouldn't happen UNTIL I got stupid wealthy and too stupid to walk away. Usually it seemed like 5 rolls, walk away, 3 or 4 of these 5 roll attempts max and done, quite usually successfully.
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Monk season 7 http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/MojoJoJo/42225505
DH season 6 http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/DeadShot/75655606
Angry Chicken http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/WhoDoVooDoo/68187610
What? Me worry?
Last night, I re-rolled a few more times and in haste, salvaged the rucksack. Why ?, because the re-roll cost was ridiculous and the prospect of farming ( with boon of hoarder gem ) at 60/70/80 million gold / hour to re-roll 4 times really turned me off. Having re-rolled over 130 times and only seen the sentry affix once with 11%, and again last night again with 11%, I feel it's not gonna happen. I'll stick to my existing rucksack