you seem to talk a lot about how you dont care about the exploits, lets see your profile then? i bet your level 100 and dont even compete and THATS why you dont care ruksak. its people that play seriously that get hosed on all this. just because it doesnt affect you doesnt mean it doesnt affect the comminuty, and your part of the community so you really should stop acting childish.
you seem to talk a lot about how you dont care about the exploits, lets see your profile then? i bet your level 100 and dont even compete and THATS why you dont care ruksak. its people that play seriously that get hosed on all this. just because it doesnt affect you doesnt mean it doesnt affect the comminuty, and your part of the community so you really should stop acting childish.
My profile is in my sig as a clickable link.
I decided not to do season 1 due to anticipated issues regarding EXPLOITS that I made quite clear here, long before this particular exploit arose, long before the season even started.
Call it intuition, if you will. Or just common sense and patience.
I am busy having fun ranking on Solo HC Boards (non-season Rank 33 Monk/54 Crus).
Look, I understand the desire for serious competition here. I was a serious Ladder Melee dueler in D2 for many years. I get it. What I don't get is the dramatic overreaction from pissed off players. I get being pissed, but people need to stove that shit and move on. Anyone that didn't think that season 1 would equate to a "dry run", witnessing exploits and issues that need addressed, well they were fooling themselves.
You wanna apologize for calling me childish, or are you sticking with that evaluation?
everyone who says its not a big deal are cusuals who dont play a lot, anyone who worked hard for theyre paagons and actually is competing gets the back end of the stick not the casuals. so please if your not even close to being on the leaderboard you have no right to say that its not a big deal. and they should be banned to send a message, them not banning them is saying that its okay to exploit in a competitive game, which it should be with the leaderboards. i understant it doesnt effect the casuals, but that doesnt mean it doesnt affect a lot of us. how would you feel if you stayed up 36 hours the firt day of release then slept 6 hours everyday since and played all the time and then have someone exploit and pull ahead of you on paragon and potentially in the leaderboards in the near future. not fun.
the exploiters knew what they were doing was wrong, they knew it was cheating, and it even made a lot of people quit and even made alot of people quit the game for good. if exploits like this keep happening and the exploiters keep getting away with this i cant see this game making another successful expansion let alone have seasons be sucessful. everyone will take it as a joke. which it kind of is right now, gaining 300 levels in 1 day. that sure sounds like competition to me.
If I'd stayed up 36 hours and then slept 6 hours a day, honestly, I would feel a deep sense of shame and probably start trying to find a job. Other than that, I agree with your point.
Hifiboi, see it as a blessing. if you had played 36 hours and found yourself near the top of the leaderboard, you'd more than likely force yourself to stay up for the remainder of the season just to maintain and improve your position ruining your health in the process. It ain't worth it !
It's really doable to achieve top 10 on the leaderboards while having a job. I work 36-40 hours a week, raid in wow 2 days a week and still managed to get insane gear and para 400+. its all about setting priorities and playing in good groups to run t6 rifts extremely fast. Sure if its job>kids/family>friends>sports>random television show>diablo priority wise then you wont be able to compete. But job>diablo is completely doable. This season even started on friday evening so anyone with a job could have raced for first 70/first greater 30/first malthael kill, these were all achieved during the first weekend.
I think the reason they didn't ban the ppl using this exploit is because it only was about xp. Blizz said earlier that they don't want paragon levels to be a competition and thats why they don't have a leaderboard of that. Sure the levels these ppl gained might help them a bit in greater rifts. But overall I don't think this will make a huge difference for the game itself for this short period...
Anyone that didn't think that season 1 would equate to a "dry run", witnessing exploits and issues that need addressed, well they were fooling themselves.
I'm not going to attempt to speak for anyone but myself here, but my ultimate position on this subject is that if they don't issue bans then Season 1 isn't the only "dry run" but every subsequent season since they've sent the message that they're SOFT on cheating and exploiting.
If, however, they show that they're serious about exploiters in Season 1, that LEGITIMIZES the idea that going forward they are going to be running a tight ship. And I suspect that's all most people want. I don't think the average person thought S1 was going to be perfect. Hell, anyone who payed attention to the PTR knew it wouldn't be. But, I think many people did expect Blizzard to have a pretty firm stance against things like this. Setting that tone now, rather than later, is probably all most people care about.
Losing one season to bugs and exploits isn't really unacceptable. It was bound to happen. But if they show they're serious today that may very well prevent people from using bugs to generate viewership on Twitch which would ultimately make the whole problem rather minimal when compared to the rather obvious class balance issues that have yet to be resolved.
The general issue I have is the blase Eeyore-esque attitude some people have on the subject. There is nothing wrong with attempting to discourage fair play. There *is* something wrong with rolling over and playing dead in the face of people who are clearly trying to game the system.
I've yet to see any actual argument as to why people who cheated (gaining more XP/hr while standing in town killing nothing than the best grinders can gain is clearly cheating) shouldn't suffer the consequences. It's just a bunch of people saying "who cares?" Well, I'll be honest here, I don't personally care if some guy steals $1000 in tea bags from a coffee/tea joint in San Francisco, but he still should be held accountable. Just because something doesn't have a direct impact on me doesn't mean it's acceptable.
Cheating is cheating whether or not it impacts my game experience so I view the whole "it doesn't affect you" position as somewhat sidestepping the actual issue. There are tons of things in this world that don't affect me but which are still wrong and deserving of the repercussions.
I dont feel the need to call out names, rather then pointing out the specific issue and perhaps getting a reaction, which i got
I wasnt even a part of the conversation, so i dont know what you are talking about, regarding me having the faintest idea whats going on behind the scenes... are u confusing me with some1 else ? but the way you amongst others talk down to people for suggesting something to which u dont agree, is just pathetic.. i think its fine to speculate, but hammering down people for having a different mindset then you.. whilst you dont have the faintest idea either, is just childish
I'm not "hammering" you about this. You're just overreacting to me, the same as you're overreacting to how serious this issue is.
Anyone that didn't think that season 1 would equate to a "dry run", witnessing exploits and issues that need addressed, well they were fooling themselves.
I'm not going to attempt to speak for anyone but myself here, but my ultimate position on this subject is that if they don't issue bans then Season 1 isn't the only "dry run" but every subsequent season since they've sent the message that they're SOFT on cheating and exploiting.
If, however, they show that they're serious about exploiters in Season 1, that LEGITIMIZES the idea that going forward they are going to be running a tight ship. And I suspect that's all most people want. I don't think the average person thought S1 was going to be perfect. Hell, anyone who payed attention to the PTR knew it wouldn't be. But, I think many people did expect Blizzard to have a pretty firm stance against things like this. Setting that tone now, rather than later, is probably all most people care about.
Losing one season to bugs and exploits isn't really unacceptable. It was bound to happen. But if they show they're serious today that may very well prevent people from using bugs to generate viewership on Twitch which would ultimately make the whole problem rather minimal when compared to the rather obvious class balance issues that have yet to be resolved.
The general issue I have is the blase Eeyore-esque attitude some people have on the subject. There is nothing wrong with attempting to discourage fair play. There *is* something wrong with rolling over and playing dead in the face of people who are clearly trying to game the system.
I've yet to see any actual argument as to why people who cheated (gaining more XP/hr while standing in town killing nothing than the best grinders can gain is clearly cheating) shouldn't suffer the consequences. It's just a bunch of people saying "who cares?" Well, I'll be honest here, I don't personally care if some guy steals $1000 in tea bags from a coffee/tea joint in San Francisco, but he still should be held accountable. Just because something doesn't have a direct impact on me doesn't mean it's acceptable.
Cheating is cheating whether or not it impacts my game experience so I view the whole "it doesn't affect you" position as somewhat sidestepping the actual issue. There are tons of things in this world that don't affect me but which are still wrong and deserving of the repercussions.
It's not that I don't care. I'm just willing to sit back and wait to see what they're going to do. If they do nothing, than I agree, kinda weak precedent to set so early on.
Especially considering that many of the more egregious offenders broadcasted their activities for all to see, foregoing any need for an investigation.
For now, I just play the game and I'm having fun doing so. I'll let Blizzard handle this, if they handle it at all, but I won't support Chicken Little freakouts by the players. You are being level and reasoned about this. Many many others.....are not.
I'll be clear. I have no idea what this exploit even was, not the faintest, and I don't want to know.
This exploit did affect me quite a bit. Was doing some random t6 split farms yesterday and saw a monk at level 474 while I was 386. He literally didnt even have his sunwuku set completed yet and was basically running around in gear I had when I was paragon 100. When I checked his time played it was 1/3th of the time I spend on my character.
There is no way he didnt exploit, and its annoying the hell out of me that they're just running around enjoying the game while nothing gets done.
Forget the ladder boards. It's about time and one's sense of value tied t it.
"Some" blew through 300 paragon levels in a day.
"Most" take a bit longer, I don't know how long, I can tell you I'm sitting at 397 paragon now and I've been playing, casually perhaps, a long time.
The problem is that everyone that didn't expoit this bug, and I'll call it a bug, even if it is ssimply sloppy QA or programming, feels like "their' time invested in thegame is now hugely devalued, and this is totally irrelevent of whether its a competitive game or not. that's the issue. I played weeks, months for some I'm betting, and they did it in a day. Why wouldn't people be unhappy? It simply casts a shadow over the game that is almost inescapable, the only exception being those that play by themselves at home and are still unaware it happened. And even thos emight be looking at the leaderboards and going "damn, I can't come close to that progression, I must really suck" and might quit.
I would compare it to simply cutting to the front of the line. And then, you know, laughing about it and filming it and putting it on You tube.
And I'm NOT competitng on seasons, I'm not interested in doing so, and I really have no delusions I'd ever be able to, but i know there are those that are, would and might have.
This exploit did affect me quite a bit. Was doing some random t6 split farms yesterday and saw a monk at level 474 while I was 386. He literally didnt even have his sunwuku set completed yet and was basically running around in gear I had when I was paragon 100. When I checked his time played it was 1/3th of the time I spend on my character.
There is no way he didnt exploit, and its annoying the hell out of me that they're just running around enjoying the game while nothing gets done.
How in the fuck-hell are you people even at p100 yet?
386 is quite a bit for such a very short time, wowzers. I've been playing what I consider to be quite a bit in non-season, and I'm only 417. You got about as far as I have in a matter of days. It took me many months to do that.
No wonder so many of you are mad, probably fucking cabin fever.
This exploit did affect me quite a bit. Was doing some random t6 split farms yesterday and saw a monk at level 474 while I was 386. He literally didnt even have his sunwuku set completed yet and was basically running around in gear I had when I was paragon 100. When I checked his time played it was 1/3th of the time I spend on my character.
There is no way he didnt exploit, and its annoying the hell out of me that they're just running around enjoying the game while nothing gets done.
That didn't affect you one bit other than deflating your epeen. Not qny more tah nif he'd shown up at paragon 100 in the same gear. Or paragon 0. That's like saying seeing someone who got a ferrari as a gift while you worked for yours has an affect on you. IT doesn't. It just makes you jealous and/o angry that they bypassed the system without actually detrracting from the experiuence of owning a ferrari.
This exploit did affect me quite a bit. Was doing some random t6 split farms yesterday and saw a monk at level 474 while I was 386. He literally didnt even have his sunwuku set completed yet and was basically running around in gear I had when I was paragon 100. When I checked his time played it was 1/3th of the time I spend on my character.
There is no way he didnt exploit, and its annoying the hell out of me that they're just running around enjoying the game while nothing gets done.
That didn't affect you one bit other than deflating your epeen. Not qny more tah nif he'd shown up at paragon 100 in the same gear. Or paragon 0. That's like saying seeing someone who got a ferrari as a gift while you worked for yours has an affect on you. IT doesn't. It just makes you jealous and/o angry that they bypassed the system without actually detrracting from the experiuence of owning a ferrari.
Dead wrong.
Owning a Ferrari has a certain prestige to it. If someone cheated the system and got one for essentially nothing, it devalues the prestige of owning a Ferrari. Just ask anyone that had to work for theirs.
Where do you get off telling someone else how they can or can't, should or shouldn't feel? And not about this, forget the "this" About anything? You simply don't have the right.
You can voice your opinion all day long, hell I support you voicing your opnion, but realize it's yours, and you don't get to tell anyone theirs is any less relevent.
This exploit did affect me quite a bit. Was doing some random t6 split farms yesterday and saw a monk at level 474 while I was 386. He literally didnt even have his sunwuku set completed yet and was basically running around in gear I had when I was paragon 100. When I checked his time played it was 1/3th of the time I spend on my character.
There is no way he didnt exploit, and its annoying the hell out of me that they're just running around enjoying the game while nothing gets done.
That didn't affect you one bit other than deflating your epeen. Not qny more tah nif he'd shown up at paragon 100 in the same gear. Or paragon 0. That's like saying seeing someone who got a ferrari as a gift while you worked for yours has an affect on you. IT doesn't. It just makes you jealous and/o angry that they bypassed the system without actually detrracting from the experiuence of owning a ferrari.
Dead wrong.
Owning a Ferrari has a certain prestige to it. If someone cheated the system and got one for essentially nothing, it devalues the prestige of owning a Ferrari. Just ask anyone that had to work for theirs.
Where do you get off telling someone else how they can or can't, should or shouldn't feel? And not about this, forget the "this" About anything? You simply don't have the right.
You can voice your opinion all day long, hell I support you voicing your opnion, but realize it's yours, and you don't get to tell anyone theirs is any less relevent.
My point is that there's no direct effect on the person driving the damn thing, or in D3 no direct effect on how they play the game. None at all.
Being angry that people cheated the system is not the same thing as being affected, in gameplay, by it. Course anyone angry their epeen got deflated cares a little too much about some numbers on a screen IMO.
The problem is fixed. People didn;t get banned because they didn't have any particularly great effect on overall gameplay balance. They screwwed exacvtly one leaderboard.
This exploit did affect me quite a bit. Was doing some random t6 split farms yesterday and saw a monk at level 474 while I was 386. He literally didnt even have his sunwuku set completed yet and was basically running around in gear I had when I was paragon 100. When I checked his time played it was 1/3th of the time I spend on my character.
There is no way he didnt exploit, and its annoying the hell out of me that they're just running around enjoying the game while nothing gets done.
That didn't affect you one bit other than deflating your epeen. Not qny more tah nif he'd shown up at paragon 100 in the same gear. Or paragon 0. That's like saying seeing someone who got a ferrari as a gift while you worked for yours has an affect on you. IT doesn't. It just makes you jealous and/o angry that they bypassed the system without actually detrracting from the experiuence of owning a ferrari.
Dead wrong.
Owning a Ferrari has a certain prestige to it. If someone cheated the system and got one for essentially nothing, it devalues the prestige of owning a Ferrari. Just ask anyone that had to work for theirs.
Where do you get off telling someone else how they can or can't, should or shouldn't feel? And not about this, forget the "this" About anything? You simply don't have the right.
You can voice your opinion all day long, hell I support you voicing your opnion, but realize it's yours, and you don't get to tell anyone theirs is any less relevent.
My point is that there's no direct effect on the person driving the damn thing, or in D3 no direct effect on how they play the game. None at all.
Being angry that people cheated the system is not the same thing as being affected, in gameplay, by it. Course anyone angry their epeen got deflated cares a little too much about some numbers on a screen IMO.
The problem is fixed. People didn;t get banned because they didn't have any particularly great effect on overall gameplay balance. They screwwed exacvtly one leaderboard.
To the point I highlighted, I'd probably agree with you, but if you put yourself in the seat of, or try to see from the point of view of those people that DO care about that leaderboard, it affects them. Try to see it from someone else's viewpoint.
Minimally now whether anyone else circumvented the system, it's all questionable, doubtful, just that bit less prestigious. And that affects some people.
To the point I highlighted, I'd probably agree with you, but if you put yourself in the seat of, or try to see from the point of view of those people that DO care about that leaderboard, it affects them. Try to see it from someone else's viewpoint.
Minimally now whether anyone else circumvented the system, it's all questionable, doubtful, just that bit less prestigious. And that affects some people.
I care about leaderboard. But I care about leaderboards that have real substance. World-first T6 kills, highest GRift, speed run conquests (a little less substance), highest "gearscore". None of those are affected by the exploit.
If stuff like that had been exploitable? Hell yah I'd want bans. But as someone who has enough epeen to give a shit about real challenges paragon levels are laughable. All they say is "I spent a billion hours farming XP". They aren't so much a personal achievement as an afterthought.
As the whole "weraing p100 gear at p500" situation so very perfectly shows.
I have sympathy that their epeen is hurting. But wanting bans over it is basically throwing a tantrum. Those free levels don't mean jack-shit for the final power of the character when the season ends, that's going to come from long hours at a keyboard, a bit of skill, anda touch of luck. None of which has been exploited for.
My point is that there's no direct effect on the person driving the damn thing, or in D3 no direct effect on how they play the game. None at all.
Being angry that people cheated the system is not the same thing as being affected, in gameplay, by it. Course anyone angry their epeen got deflated cares a little too much about some numbers on a screen IMO.
The problem is fixed. People didn;t get banned because they didn't have any particularly great effect on overall gameplay balance. They screwwed exacvtly one leaderboard.
Nobody likes to see a cheater get away with it. This is a primal human urge to see the people who shortcut get put to the back of the line.
I decided not to do season 1 due to anticipated issues regarding EXPLOITS that I made quite clear here, long before this particular exploit arose, long before the season even started.
Call it intuition, if you will. Or just common sense and patience.
I am busy having fun ranking on Solo HC Boards (non-season Rank 33 Monk/54 Crus).
Look, I understand the desire for serious competition here. I was a serious Ladder Melee dueler in D2 for many years. I get it. What I don't get is the dramatic overreaction from pissed off players. I get being pissed, but people need to stove that shit and move on. Anyone that didn't think that season 1 would equate to a "dry run", witnessing exploits and issues that need addressed, well they were fooling themselves.
You wanna apologize for calling me childish, or are you sticking with that evaluation?
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If, however, they show that they're serious about exploiters in Season 1, that LEGITIMIZES the idea that going forward they are going to be running a tight ship. And I suspect that's all most people want. I don't think the average person thought S1 was going to be perfect. Hell, anyone who payed attention to the PTR knew it wouldn't be. But, I think many people did expect Blizzard to have a pretty firm stance against things like this. Setting that tone now, rather than later, is probably all most people care about.
Losing one season to bugs and exploits isn't really unacceptable. It was bound to happen. But if they show they're serious today that may very well prevent people from using bugs to generate viewership on Twitch which would ultimately make the whole problem rather minimal when compared to the rather obvious class balance issues that have yet to be resolved.
The general issue I have is the blase Eeyore-esque attitude some people have on the subject. There is nothing wrong with attempting to discourage fair play. There *is* something wrong with rolling over and playing dead in the face of people who are clearly trying to game the system.
I've yet to see any actual argument as to why people who cheated (gaining more XP/hr while standing in town killing nothing than the best grinders can gain is clearly cheating) shouldn't suffer the consequences. It's just a bunch of people saying "who cares?" Well, I'll be honest here, I don't personally care if some guy steals $1000 in tea bags from a coffee/tea joint in San Francisco, but he still should be held accountable. Just because something doesn't have a direct impact on me doesn't mean it's acceptable.
Cheating is cheating whether or not it impacts my game experience so I view the whole "it doesn't affect you" position as somewhat sidestepping the actual issue. There are tons of things in this world that don't affect me but which are still wrong and deserving of the repercussions.
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Especially considering that many of the more egregious offenders broadcasted their activities for all to see, foregoing any need for an investigation.
For now, I just play the game and I'm having fun doing so. I'll let Blizzard handle this, if they handle it at all, but I won't support Chicken Little freakouts by the players. You are being level and reasoned about this. Many many others.....are not.
I'll be clear. I have no idea what this exploit even was, not the faintest, and I don't want to know.
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There is no way he didnt exploit, and its annoying the hell out of me that they're just running around enjoying the game while nothing gets done.
"Some" blew through 300 paragon levels in a day.
"Most" take a bit longer, I don't know how long, I can tell you I'm sitting at 397 paragon now and I've been playing, casually perhaps, a long time.
The problem is that everyone that didn't expoit this bug, and I'll call it a bug, even if it is ssimply sloppy QA or programming, feels like "their' time invested in thegame is now hugely devalued, and this is totally irrelevent of whether its a competitive game or not. that's the issue. I played weeks, months for some I'm betting, and they did it in a day. Why wouldn't people be unhappy? It simply casts a shadow over the game that is almost inescapable, the only exception being those that play by themselves at home and are still unaware it happened. And even thos emight be looking at the leaderboards and going "damn, I can't come close to that progression, I must really suck" and might quit.
I would compare it to simply cutting to the front of the line. And then, you know, laughing about it and filming it and putting it on You tube.
And I'm NOT competitng on seasons, I'm not interested in doing so, and I really have no delusions I'd ever be able to, but i know there are those that are, would and might have.
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What? Me worry?
386 is quite a bit for such a very short time, wowzers. I've been playing what I consider to be quite a bit in non-season, and I'm only 417. You got about as far as I have in a matter of days. It took me many months to do that.
No wonder so many of you are mad, probably fucking cabin fever.
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Owning a Ferrari has a certain prestige to it. If someone cheated the system and got one for essentially nothing, it devalues the prestige of owning a Ferrari. Just ask anyone that had to work for theirs.
Where do you get off telling someone else how they can or can't, should or shouldn't feel? And not about this, forget the "this" About anything? You simply don't have the right.
You can voice your opinion all day long, hell I support you voicing your opnion, but realize it's yours, and you don't get to tell anyone theirs is any less relevent.
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Monk season 7 http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/MojoJoJo/42225505
DH season 6 http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/DeadShot/75655606
Angry Chicken http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/WhoDoVooDoo/68187610
What? Me worry?
Being angry that people cheated the system is not the same thing as being affected, in gameplay, by it. Course anyone angry their epeen got deflated cares a little too much about some numbers on a screen IMO.
The problem is fixed. People didn;t get banned because they didn't have any particularly great effect on overall gameplay balance. They screwwed exacvtly one leaderboard.
Minimally now whether anyone else circumvented the system, it's all questionable, doubtful, just that bit less prestigious. And that affects some people.
WD Season 8 https://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/Kildare/84509816
Monk season 7 http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/MojoJoJo/42225505
DH season 6 http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/DeadShot/75655606
Angry Chicken http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/finiar-1655/WhoDoVooDoo/68187610
What? Me worry?
If stuff like that had been exploitable? Hell yah I'd want bans. But as someone who has enough epeen to give a shit about real challenges paragon levels are laughable. All they say is "I spent a billion hours farming XP". They aren't so much a personal achievement as an afterthought.
As the whole "weraing p100 gear at p500" situation so very perfectly shows.
I have sympathy that their epeen is hurting. But wanting bans over it is basically throwing a tantrum. Those free levels don't mean jack-shit for the final power of the character when the season ends, that's going to come from long hours at a keyboard, a bit of skill, anda touch of luck. None of which has been exploited for.
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