I see nothing in that code of conduct saying you can't abuse exploits that are written into the code of the game. there is no provision for banning those who use them. Calling for bans on players who use this exploit is stupid and unjustified. I don't care what others do with their game. I will play mine. What's the big deal?
I see nothing in that code of conduct saying you can't abuse exploits that are written into the code of the game. there is no provision for banning those who use them. Calling for bans on players who use this exploit is stupid and unjustified. I don't care what others do with their game. I will play mine. What's the big deal?
I remember back in Vanilla wow days.. some guild found a exploit to take them to Cthuns room without clearing AQ40. The whole guild got perma banned. Even those that didnt do it.
Whats the big deal? I mean, it's not like they get an unfair advantage by lvling faster than others, its not like they can get the ladder achivements and so on. Its not big deal that they ruin the whole concept of season ladders. I just spent a week on playing fair to get a chance just to get it all ruined by a few exploiters in a few hours.
Getting level 70 in a few hours is no big deal, getting paragon level 300 in a few hours is.
I see nothing in that code of conduct saying you can't abuse exploits that are written into the code of the game. there is no provision for banning those who use them. Calling for bans on players who use this exploit is stupid and unjustified. I don't care what others do with their game. I will play mine. What's the big deal?
I remember back in Vanilla wow days.. some guild found a exploit to take them to Cthuns room without clearing AQ40. The whole guild got perma banned. Even those that didnt do it.
Whats the big deal? I mean, it's not like they get an unfair advantage by lvling faster than others, its not like they can get the ladder achivements and so on. Its not big deal that they ruin the whole concept of season ladders. I just spent a week on playing fair to get a chance just to get it all ruined by a few exploiters in a few hours.
Getting level 70 in a few hours is no big deal, getting paragon level 300 in a few hours is.
Indeed but that was their cash cow WoW they dont seem to give two craps about D3 anymore.
I think the best thing to do is End Season 1 and start season 2. I do not think a rollback would solve anything since it will be tough to check all the accounts and characters and then seeing how the game played compared to the xp gained in that game time would be a nightmare. A rollback for everyone will punish everyone.
I would still look more into the issue and possibly see about banning players either for a temp ban and possibly a perm ban if it is a repeat offender.
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Looking into it? Wake up Blizz. Just visit Twitch to see them in action... Ppl blatantly laughing at you
Knowing a bug exists is not equal to knowing where the bug is, and certainly not equal to fixing the bug. Looking into it here means that their engineers are going to be on OT tonight trying to find and fix the bug.
[quote=undefined] Just saying you guys (streamers) should do a video about it maybe? Public it on YT and advertise on any streamer site, FB, twitter so it become huge issue?
Dunno, may be overreacting but if we do nothing, this will repeat every season.
EDIT: I removed my link to the video, since I read that Diablofans doesn't want the details of the exploit posted here. Muhbad.
Season 1 was always going to be a circus for this exact reason. Personally, I don't give a crap about the leaderboards... what poopsockers do on their own time is their business. As for exploits, similar situations have happened many times in WoW, and Blizzard's official line is basically "It's an exploit if we say it's an exploit, and we reserve the right to ban you whenever we see fit.". I'm hoping they ban the worst offenders, and just flat-out reset the rest to paragon 1... but mostly for the schadenfreude.
I see nothing in that code of conduct saying you can't abuse exploits that are written into the code of the game. there is no provision for banning those who use them. Calling for bans on players who use this exploit is stupid and unjustified. I don't care what others do with their game. I will play mine. What's the big deal?
...so there needs to be an expressly written rule stating you can't abuse bugs or exploits?
License Limitations.
You agree and acknowledge that the foregoing license is revoked any time that you violate, or assist others in violating, the license limitations set forth below. You agree that you will not, in whole or in part or under any circumstances, do the following:
Cheating: Create, use, offer, advertise, make available and/or distribute the following or assist therein:
Cheats; i.e. methods, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;
If only people who jumped on exploitwagons actually paid attention to this stuff so they can't run crying when they do get banned, because if Blizzard can see who was abusing such exploit, has full right to ban these users as they see fit.
Yes I did need to see it in writing. Because if blizzard doesnt say it's an issue then it isn't and a ban would be unjustified. I stand corrected but I still think it's stupid that blizzard tells us how to use he product we purchased. I almost exclusively play single player so I don't care what anyone else does and if I played with someone who used this exploit I would just enjoy stomping some beastly GRifts or something with them. I don't care.
The best punishment for exploiting in a season would be a reset in the current season and being unable to create a season character for the first 14 days of the next season. THAT will get peoples attention and make them think twice about it. If you take these people's ability to wave their ePeen around by giving them a handicap in the next season as well as a rollback in the current season, people are going to really shy away from this kind of stuff.
And, sure, you could say it's schadenfreude in that I just want to see people punished, but just like baseball players caught on steroids, there has to be a penalty for cheating. In fact, MLB is a great example of what happens when detection and adjudication of rules violations are ineffective. You draw a line in the sand that shows you're serious.
They should do like how the Tour de france is handle:
Each bike have a chip that record the delivery power. If the power value exceed a specific threshold the runner is suspected to doping. It's been like that because humane body has its limits.
They should do the same for xp farming find a maximum xp/hour add 50% to this xp/hour and everybody beyond that threshold should be automatically ban temporarily and get like 6 hours rollback.
It would prevent all unintended xp exploit. It seems a bit too much but to me it seems fair.
They should do like how the Tour de france is handle:
Each bike have a chip that record the delivery power. If the power value exceed a specific threshold the runner is suspected to doping. It's been like that because humane body has its limits.
And we all know how well that worked out for them ... a new scandal every year
More seriously, automatic banning systems like the one you're suggesting are unreliable and dangerous. What they can and should do is use the same kind of monitoring and simply flag an account if the xp/hour seems unreasonable, so that they can actually investigate what's going on.
Yes I did need to see it in writing. Because if blizzard doesnt say it's an issue then it isn't and a ban would be unjustified. I stand corrected but I still think it's stupid that blizzard tells us how to use he product we purchased. I almost exclusively play single player so I don't care what anyone else does and if I played with someone who used this exploit I would just enjoy stomping some beastly GRifts or something with them. I don't care.
Somehow you read this, but you missed the fact that this is the Code of Conduct for the Blizzard forums. I'm also not sure how you've missed the ToS of every Blizzard game that specifically refers to actions deemed inappropriate and subject to review at Blizzard's prerogative. Now that the new generation of Blizzard games will always be online, you can be sure that any kind of behaviour like this will be deemed inappropriate. Whether Blizzard acts is at their discretion.
Blizzard is trying to create an atmosphere of fairness, especially with their new competitive system. When people try to get ahead of others through exploiting obvious bugs or the like, it isn't "Blizzard telling us how to play our game" it's Blizzard keeping the game fair and preventing people from using methods that weren't intended for the game to begin with. Do you honestly think Blizzard preventing you from sitting inside town and leveling up while people do stuff for you elsewhere is what you wanted to do with the game to begin with? It's an ARPG and people aren't even being involved with the action part and are reaping MASSIVE rewards from avoiding many of the systems Blizzard painstakingly implemented. What is truly interesting here is that Blizzard is telling people to put the action into the rpg and you're questioning them, saying that they're telling you how to play the game....I don't get it, you bought an ARPG
It's annoying when people say stuff like that: "tell us how to use the product". It's Blizzard's game even after you buy it, not yours; you own the rights to your account, the right to play it (within the confines of the rules that Blizzard had you AGREE to), but you do not own the game. This is a common misconception that people have and really need to start understanding that this is not the case. Get used to it, jeez.
kind of ridiculas that theyre not going to ban anyone or even roll them back, typical diablo. i hope many people quit the game from this and stop buying theyre expansions.
kind of ridiculas that theyre not going to ban anyone or even roll them back, typical diablo. i hope many people quit the game from this and stop buying theyre expansions.
Who says they're not investigating logs to gather information on who may have abused the exploit?
You didn't see them immediately throwing out bans when the Auction House exploit was discovered and ran rampant for a few hours; those bans didn't happen until the Auction House was taken down and logs were investigated since it was easy to see who suddenly had multi-billions of gold out of thin air. Experience would be a little more difficult to track and compare to "draw a line" on what may have been exploiting and what wasn't, not to mention that kind of information probably isn't logged down on a file as readable as the Auction House logs.
They could just remove paragon levels in seasons. I know a lot of stats are gained from paragon levels, but it also makes it pointless for a casual player to even care about seasons.
... for future seasons
I wonder if this was bug was always there of if it came to happen with one of the recent hotfixes (like the Moratorium Gem hotfix).
Whats the big deal? I mean, it's not like they get an unfair advantage by lvling faster than others, its not like they can get the ladder achivements and so on. Its not big deal that they ruin the whole concept of season ladders. I just spent a week on playing fair to get a chance just to get it all ruined by a few exploiters in a few hours.
Getting level 70 in a few hours is no big deal, getting paragon level 300 in a few hours is.
I would still look more into the issue and possibly see about banning players either for a temp ban and possibly a perm ban if it is a repeat offender.
Knowing a bug exists is not equal to knowing where the bug is, and certainly not equal to fixing the bug. Looking into it here means that their engineers are going to be on OT tonight trying to find and fix the bug.
EDIT: I removed my link to the video, since I read that Diablofans doesn't want the details of the exploit posted here. Muhbad.
Well then: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula.html
If only people who jumped on exploitwagons actually paid attention to this stuff so they can't run crying when they do get banned, because if Blizzard can see who was abusing such exploit, has full right to ban these users as they see fit.
He said he did for 2 hours on seasons and knew about it for a week.
And, sure, you could say it's schadenfreude in that I just want to see people punished, but just like baseball players caught on steroids, there has to be a penalty for cheating. In fact, MLB is a great example of what happens when detection and adjudication of rules violations are ineffective. You draw a line in the sand that shows you're serious.
Each bike have a chip that record the delivery power. If the power value exceed a specific threshold the runner is suspected to doping. It's been like that because humane body has its limits.
They should do the same for xp farming find a maximum xp/hour add 50% to this xp/hour and everybody beyond that threshold should be automatically ban temporarily and get like 6 hours rollback.
It would prevent all unintended xp exploit. It seems a bit too much but to me it seems fair.
More seriously, automatic banning systems like the one you're suggesting are unreliable and dangerous. What they can and should do is use the same kind of monitoring and simply flag an account if the xp/hour seems unreasonable, so that they can actually investigate what's going on.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Taliesyn-2517/hero/66020932
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Taliesyn-2517/hero/66020932
Blizzard is trying to create an atmosphere of fairness, especially with their new competitive system. When people try to get ahead of others through exploiting obvious bugs or the like, it isn't "Blizzard telling us how to play our game" it's Blizzard keeping the game fair and preventing people from using methods that weren't intended for the game to begin with. Do you honestly think Blizzard preventing you from sitting inside town and leveling up while people do stuff for you elsewhere is what you wanted to do with the game to begin with? It's an ARPG and people aren't even being involved with the action part and are reaping MASSIVE rewards from avoiding many of the systems Blizzard painstakingly implemented. What is truly interesting here is that Blizzard is telling people to put the action into the rpg and you're questioning them, saying that they're telling you how to play the game....I don't get it, you bought an ARPG
It's annoying when people say stuff like that: "tell us how to use the product". It's Blizzard's game even after you buy it, not yours; you own the rights to your account, the right to play it (within the confines of the rules that Blizzard had you AGREE to), but you do not own the game. This is a common misconception that people have and really need to start understanding that this is not the case. Get used to it, jeez.
You didn't see them immediately throwing out bans when the Auction House exploit was discovered and ran rampant for a few hours; those bans didn't happen until the Auction House was taken down and logs were investigated since it was easy to see who suddenly had multi-billions of gold out of thin air. Experience would be a little more difficult to track and compare to "draw a line" on what may have been exploiting and what wasn't, not to mention that kind of information probably isn't logged down on a file as readable as the Auction House logs.
They better fix that shit and remove the paragon lvls from the exploiters, or just ban them.