It's like seeing green beams, I almost get a heart attack and what is it? Trollthorne obviously! ...
Even worse, the first time you group with a Crusader, and his stupid aura or whatever is constantly making a green beam shoot up into the sky. That drives me nuts.
I don't understand this forum... A few fans dictating how everyone feels, and if someone disagrees with you, you tell them to shut the F up?
Are you blind? Do you not see the distraught? The disappointment? The lack of fun? The community outcry?
Have you seen the official forums lately?
If you guys are satisfied with the way the game is now, it will never change.
There are many things that need to be fixed and changed in d3 for it to be on the same level as D2.
While you pacifists continue to sit back and say the game is fine the way it is, there will be hundreds more voicing their opinions trying to push this game to its full potential.
I don't go on the official forums because 99% of the threads are people like you complaining about not getting instant gratification with items.
If you're distraught, disappointed, not having fun, and crying.. here's a solution. quit the damn game. Short of someone holding a gun to your head telling you to play, what gives?
I'm not satisfied with the way the game is, but I make constructive posts that actually spur debate, I don't just bitch about how much shit sucks without giving any sort of solutions or ideas to make the game better. You've given 1 solution and a half ass solution. PVP, sadly they won't be doing much with this as skills and damage output is totally off the walls and will make PVP really retarded.
End game? I dunno if you've played diablo before..but you are playing the ''end game". The game has been out a little over a month...A MONTH!
If you want to voice your opinion, do it in a manner that doesn't scream "I WANT INSTANT GRATIFICATION" all over it.
Edit: I'm totally dead serious to bro!
Let's be realistic. How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades? 10 Hours? 20 Hours? 30 hours? Let's call a reasonable upgrade +1% of one of the three basic stats (Damage, Toughness, Healing). That 1% must be gained without losing any value on the other two stats, because otherwise it becomes a sidegrade at best. Example: +1.1% damage, +/-0.0% toughness, +/-0.0% healing.
I've run rifts for 3-4-5 days between upgrades this small! Overall my personal loot experience has basically been abysmal.
Overall the loot curve just sucks. When you're wearing garbage for the first 30-40 hours, the loot pace is actually really nice. You're getting significant upgrades every few hours and the feeling is great. You imagine every Leg drop you see could be exactly what you're after, so you think to yourself that you just have to put more work in and reach out and grab it.
Then you hit the wall. Your chances of getting a significant upgrade disspate before your eyes. You begin to hope only for reasonable upgrades (as I laid out above). Over time you go 10s of hours at a time or more without seeing anything even remotely usable.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
I don't understand this forum... A few fans dictating how everyone feels, and if someone disagrees with you, you tell them to shut the F up?
Are you blind? Do you not see the distraught? The disappointment? The lack of fun? The community outcry?
Have you seen the official forums lately?
If you guys are satisfied with the way the game is now, it will never change.
There are many things that need to be fixed and changed in d3 for it to be on the same level as D2.
While you pacifists continue to sit back and say the game is fine the way it is, there will be hundreds more voicing their opinions trying to push this game to its full potential.
I don't go on the official forums because 99% of the threads are people like you complaining about not getting instant gratification with items.
If you're distraught, disappointed, not having fun, and crying.. here's a solution. quit the damn game. Short of someone holding a gun to your head telling you to play, what gives?
I'm not satisfied with the way the game is, but I make constructive posts that actually spur debate, I don't just bitch about how much shit sucks without giving any sort of solutions or ideas to make the game better. You've given 1 solution and a half ass solution. PVP, sadly they won't be doing much with this as skills and damage output is totally off the walls and will make PVP really retarded.
End game? I dunno if you've played diablo before..but you are playing the ''end game". The game has been out a little over a month...A MONTH!
If you want to voice your opinion, do it in a manner that doesn't scream "I WANT INSTANT GRATIFICATION" all over it.
Edit: I'm totally dead serious to bro!
Let's be realistic. How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades? 10 Hours? 20 Hours? 30 hours? Let's call a reasonable upgrade +1% of one of the three basic stats (Damage, Toughness, Healing). That 1% must be gained without losing any value on the other two stats, because otherwise it becomes a sidegrade at best. Example: +1.1% damage, +/-0.0% toughness, +/-0.0% healing.
I've run rifts for 3-4-5 days between upgrades this small! Overall my personal loot experience has basically been abysmal.
Overall the loot curve just sucks. When you're wearing garbage for the first 30-40 hours, the loot pace is actually really nice. You're getting significant upgrades every few hours and the feeling is great. You imagine every Leg drop you see could be exactly what you're after, so you think to yourself that you just have to put more work in and reach out and grab it.
Then you hit the wall. Your chances of getting a significant upgrade disspate before your eyes. You begin to hope only for reasonable upgrades (as I laid out above). Over time you go 10s of hours at a time or more without seeing anything even remotely usable.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
Let me just add that the absolutely disgusting attitudes of some of the people posting in this thread are why the majority of people will never post a word. This thread is about Diablo 3 discussion, not about tearing people down for discussing the game.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
So you suggest that even after getting several substantial upgrades, that the upgrades should keep coming? Please explain to me mathematically how such a universe could exist. You do realize that the nature of upgrading your character necessarily reduces the chance for upgrades in the future, right?
It sounds like you're saying "You should get a lot of upgrades even when you have great gear". Sorry but that's quite impossible from a design standpoint.
Well.. there is a WAY to give you what you're asking for, that would be to eliminate the chance for BiS items from anyone not already in T6. Make it so the best item you can get in T1 will only help you get to T4 or so at best. And have items scale up from there. So you get plenty of upgrades at T1, T2, T3, etc..That's not really my idea of a good plan.
Also, once you reached T6 you'd be in the exact same place you're saying it's legitimate to complain about now, where you have good gear but complain about not getting "even better" gear.
Really now? I lack empathy, for bullshit QQ threads about someone who can't get the items they want when they want? You're absolutely right.
I'm not sure if you've realized but as you gear up the the game, the time it takes to get an actual upgrade goes up, and up, and up, and up, and up. The more gear you get, the harder it is going to become to replace said gear. It shouldn't take hours, it should take days, weeks, and yeah even months to min-max your character to the point where you don't need anything besides paragon levels.
What the hell do you expect is going to happen in the game? They keep releasing new stronger items every month? No..sorry that's now how the game works.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
So you suggest that even after getting several substantial upgrades, that the upgrades should keep coming? Please explain to me mathematically how such a universe could exist. You do realize that the nature of upgrading your character necessarily reduces the chance for upgrades in the future, right?
It sounds like you're saying "You should get a lot of upgrades even when you have great gear". Sorry but that's quite impossible from a design standpoint.
Well.. there is a WAY to give you what you're asking for, that would be to eliminate the chance for BiS items from anyone not already in T6. Make it so the best item you can get in T1 will only help you get to T4 or so at best. And have items scale up from there. So you get plenty of upgrades at T1, T2, T3, etc..That's not really my idea of a good plan. Also, once you reached T6 you'd be in the exact same place you're saying it's legitimate to complain about now, where you have good gear but complain about not getting "even better" gear.
It's not unreasonable to expect a progression of loot over the entire course of the game. The developers have said countless times: Diablo is about the promise of loot. When loot stops showing up, what's left to pursue?
I don't understand this forum... A few fans dictating how everyone feels, and if someone disagrees with you, you tell them to shut the F up?
I appreciate you highlighting his quote to show how retarded it is. ''a few fans dictating how everyone feels'' I' wasn't aware the OP was the spokesperson for the majority of d3 players. please exit stage left with him.
Let me just add that the absolutely disgusting attitudes of some of the people posting in this thread are why the majority of people will never post a word. This thread is about Diablo 3 discussion, not about tearing people down for discussing the game.
Good. Posting whining threads about RNG drops has been discussed quite a bit and the consensus among the community is "F#@# that."
He's not discussing. He's shouting, complaining, and whining. As many have said, if it's a post with real points and constructive ideas, it wouldn't be soundly rejected.
Let me just add that the absolutely disgusting attitudes of some of the people posting in this thread are why the majority of people will never post a word. This thread is about Diablo 3 discussion, not about tearing people down for discussing the game.
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Good. Posting whining threads about RNG drops has been discussed quite a bit and the consensus among the community is "F#@# that."
I'm part of the community, and I disagree with you. You don't speak for the community any more than the OP does.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
Opinions are never wrong. However, the consensus of THIS community is that we don't want a different QQ thread about RNG every day. The OP has not started any actual discussion about RNG, not proposed anything interesting, nor has he even attempted to do anything but vent. Surely venting is acceptable, but if your only reason for posting here is just to rage about your bad luck you aren't going to endear yourself to the community. There are plenty of people, myself included, who haven't had great luck (I've spent like 4000 blood shards on gloves so far and no Tasker and Theo) but who keep pushing through it.
The fact that the OP continues to act as if he speaks for the majority and continues to make completely false statements like "most people won't get a set item if they play 10k hours" smacks of complete ignorance and leads people to say that he's just looking for instant gratification. Like it or not, that's precisely how it comes off. If you want to make a point it is much more potent when you're not exaggerating it to completely unrealistic levels that everyone knows is wrong.
If it takes people 7.5k hours to put together a single Torment set, yeah, I think most people would agree that's "too long." But to base your entire opinion on the fact that many people (who don't play much) have complete torment sets for all their characters and that MOST people haven't had a single set drop.... that's just complete bullshit. It's like starting an discussion by saying that the sky is pink and then calling anyone who says "no, I'm looking out my window and the sky is blue" a liar and a fanboy.
There's a difference between expecting REASONABLE and FACT-BASED discussion and being a fanboy. It's an important distinction.
Quote from PaulAcid» Good. Posting whining threads about RNG drops has been discussed quite a bit and the consensus among the community is "F#@# that."
I'm part of the community, and I disagree with you. You don't speak for the community any more than the OP does.
I hate to break it to you, but it doesn't matter because the moderators disagree with you.
These are discussion forums. They're not forums for daily whiney ranting. The moderators try to make these forums more highbrow than the battle.net forums and they do a pretty good job. Problems only tend to arise when people like the OP come around to bombard us with their sob stories. And it's not about a few posts. The OPs only posts here have been "WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH RNG." There's no substance. There's no discussion to be had. There's nothing productive that can come from it.
And that's why it's frowned upon and that's why the OP is going to end up banned. PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION. It's not really negotiable and the moderators are generally pretty accepting of the OCCASIONAL venting post. With the OP, though, it's not occasional, it's a huge habit. And that *is* a problem, whether you want to be argumentative or not, mister "I just registered today and haven't posted in any threads other than this QQ thread."
I asked the simple question: How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades?
This question with "hours" is a LINEAR progression. Any realistic progression discussion will have to depend on how good your current gear is. If you have near perfect gear, the answer will be years, not hours.
It is unreasonable to expect a LINEAR progression of loot. It is mathemathically unreasonable, actually.
I never said that I expected a linear loot progression for the entire game, and I agree that it is an unreasonable expectation.
I asked the simple question: How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades?
So far the only answer I've seen is that months between upgrades is an acceptable timeframe. I disagree.
If the answer can NEVER be months, you've created an impossible scenario. Either they must constantly make better gear, or something else must enter the equation to reduce the quality of your gear. Neither is going to happen, most likely. So you're left with a graph that will clearly demonstrate quality of gear directly correlates (and in this case correlation DOES equal causation) to the time required to get better gear. It is inevitable that such a graph will eventually move from minutes to hours to days to months to yes, even years, if there's only one possible stat on one possible item that you could improve. Hell, it's impossible to make a graph that doesn't essentially end at an infinite time required for an upgrade, simply because the odds of getting that 372% Thunderfury to replace your 371% Thunderfury with perfect stats are just that astronomical.
I've seen many posts regarding the blackthorne drop rate over all other sets... Its crazy that soooooo many people have this problem.
Lucky players will have endgame gear in days or week, while others grind till they quit or give up and still don't get items they need.
Does not matter if you play 2 hours or 12 hours a day, we are all Bingo players in this game
that is diablo
I've run rifts for 3-4-5 days between upgrades this small! Overall my personal loot experience has basically been abysmal.
Overall the loot curve just sucks. When you're wearing garbage for the first 30-40 hours, the loot pace is actually really nice. You're getting significant upgrades every few hours and the feeling is great. You imagine every Leg drop you see could be exactly what you're after, so you think to yourself that you just have to put more work in and reach out and grab it.
Then you hit the wall. Your chances of getting a significant upgrade disspate before your eyes. You begin to hope only for reasonable upgrades (as I laid out above). Over time you go 10s of hours at a time or more without seeing anything even remotely usable.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
+1
It sounds like you're saying "You should get a lot of upgrades even when you have great gear". Sorry but that's quite impossible from a design standpoint.
Well.. there is a WAY to give you what you're asking for, that would be to eliminate the chance for BiS items from anyone not already in T6. Make it so the best item you can get in T1 will only help you get to T4 or so at best. And have items scale up from there. So you get plenty of upgrades at T1, T2, T3, etc..That's not really my idea of a good plan.
Also, once you reached T6 you'd be in the exact same place you're saying it's legitimate to complain about now, where you have good gear but complain about not getting "even better" gear.
I'm not sure if you've realized but as you gear up the the game, the time it takes to get an actual upgrade goes up, and up, and up, and up, and up. The more gear you get, the harder it is going to become to replace said gear. It shouldn't take hours, it should take days, weeks, and yeah even months to min-max your character to the point where you don't need anything besides paragon levels.
What the hell do you expect is going to happen in the game? They keep releasing new stronger items every month? No..sorry that's now how the game works.
He's not discussing. He's shouting, complaining, and whining. As many have said, if it's a post with real points and constructive ideas, it wouldn't be soundly rejected.
The fact that the OP continues to act as if he speaks for the majority and continues to make completely false statements like "most people won't get a set item if they play 10k hours" smacks of complete ignorance and leads people to say that he's just looking for instant gratification. Like it or not, that's precisely how it comes off. If you want to make a point it is much more potent when you're not exaggerating it to completely unrealistic levels that everyone knows is wrong.
If it takes people 7.5k hours to put together a single Torment set, yeah, I think most people would agree that's "too long." But to base your entire opinion on the fact that many people (who don't play much) have complete torment sets for all their characters and that MOST people haven't had a single set drop.... that's just complete bullshit. It's like starting an discussion by saying that the sky is pink and then calling anyone who says "no, I'm looking out my window and the sky is blue" a liar and a fanboy.
There's a difference between expecting REASONABLE and FACT-BASED discussion and being a fanboy. It's an important distinction.
These are discussion forums. They're not forums for daily whiney ranting. The moderators try to make these forums more highbrow than the battle.net forums and they do a pretty good job. Problems only tend to arise when people like the OP come around to bombard us with their sob stories. And it's not about a few posts. The OPs only posts here have been "WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH RNG." There's no substance. There's no discussion to be had. There's nothing productive that can come from it.
And that's why it's frowned upon and that's why the OP is going to end up banned. PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION. It's not really negotiable and the moderators are generally pretty accepting of the OCCASIONAL venting post. With the OP, though, it's not occasional, it's a huge habit. And that *is* a problem, whether you want to be argumentative or not, mister "I just registered today and haven't posted in any threads other than this QQ thread."
I asked the simple question: How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades?
So far the only answer I've seen is that months between upgrades is an acceptable timeframe. I disagree.
This question with "hours" is a LINEAR progression. Any realistic progression discussion will have to depend on how good your current gear is. If you have near perfect gear, the answer will be years, not hours.
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