Today I wanted to come to the community to bring up a discussion about if Diablo 3 is really Diablo anymore. So this will probably be a long post if you don't want to read through it all that's cool ill put TLDR at bottom for you.
To start the discussion I would like to bring up Skill trees and Stat points:
I know this has been brought to devs attention many times but feel it hasn't really been addressed how it should be. I will use the Sorceress from Diablo 2 as an example here (please note all class's can be done this way). In Diablo 2 I was able to get countless playing hours every ladder reset making a cold/fire/lightning sorc (haven't played after 1.11b patch so I heard you can now reset all skills and don't have to level char if you mess them up which is cool with me. I would still have 1 of each so I can play different roles whenever I want without having to reset the skills.) leveling that sorc up and decking that sorc out in gear, stats, and skills. The rune word items added a lot of customization to the builds that you wanted to use but that's another discussion.
So what do we have in Diablo 3, a skill system that you get every skill in so no matter what you got them all. A stat system that everytime you level it auto distributes depending on the class, and 2.0 loot which is kind of good kind of bad below ill get into items. I don't even have to make but 1 of each class because there is no need to I have everything given to me. There is not customization to a character here, and everyone is the same.
Hostile vs. Brawling
So in Diablo 2 there was this button that a lot of people loved, and others despised. This was a button that I loved, and ill explain this a little more. When playing Diablo3 you run into what I like to call internet bullies and yes you may say I am one of them but I am not I just believe in being able to stick up for yourself. So you get this internet bully that sees your character (does the dog butt sniff to your account) and instantly starts flaming you or calling you a CC warrior, botter, or w/e comes to their mind because your gear is better than theirs or you have low dps. When I would run into these said bullies in Diablo 2 I could just join their game hostile them, kill them a few hundred times, then move on with my day...GOOD TIMES.
However in Diablo 3 you can do nothing to the bullies that do this. You can ask them to join a game and do some brawling but chances are he will already be in the brawling area when you join his game and hell get first attack if good and then leaves game still flaming that he 1 shot you like its so hard in Diablo 3. I remember some fights in Diablo 2 that went on for DAYS because we were able to name the games and 8 people per game 1 guy leave another join over and overwas a blast unfortunately now we have 4 max in Diablo 3. Point is there now is no PVP in Diablo 3 which BTW was promise on the BOX of Diablo 3.
D2 Items vs. D3 Items
Diablo 2 items are far superior when rune word came out than what we have currently in Diablo 3. BOA is a complete joke by all aspects and should have never been allowed in the game but lets look at the items in general and not BOA. In Diablo 2 most items had a static drop % from certain mobs. In Diablo 3 every mob drops everything......
In Diablo 2 we had a choice to farm for certain gear but in Diablo 3 you have no choice of what gear you are farming you only have choice of where to farm. Diablo 2 items did not determine weather you could face roll through the game in Hell mode solo, character progression and customization did. In DIablo 3 (before removal of AH) just buy best gearand face roll everything or farm for eternity to get to where I am currently at in Diablo 3 with over 3000 hours with my monk alone. Yes I know you could P2W in Diablo 2 but that's not my point point is the gear for Diablo 2 really didn't keep you from progression but this is completely opposite of Diablo 3. Don't have the gear for Torment 1 guess what farm master till you get the gear.
D2 Trading vs. D3 BOA Diablo 2 had trading which we use to also have in Diablo 3which allowed casuals to trade for gear they needed or wanted. This is why the AH was put into place, for the casuals. Now its being removed because people are crying over pay 2 winners. I mean seriously its an ARPG game who cares what others do in the game, like me selling IK chest 3 times for 150$ on RMAH is effecting you. Or me selling something on GAH for 2billion gold. Anyone else notice how Blizzard simply forgot to mention in patch notes that the GAH until removed would only let you max item on GAH for 999,999,999 gold instead of the 2B limit it use to have? They simply just forgot to mention it right? SO many things that Diablo 2 trading was good for, yeah there were a lot of scammers, botter, w/e but we have that in Diablo 3 also. BOA yes is limiting the botters that make money off the game but now its going to be everyone botting because now they cant buy gear due to not able to play game 8 hours a day like hardcore fans as myself.
In short Diablo 2 offered means of getting gear without having to play for years I need a Tals set make game WTB TALS waitzomg no knowledge needed no 1000+ hours killing everything and its momma to hope it drops out of the other 300-400 legendry's that COULD drop instead. You know how many Hellracks I found in the time I played Diablo 3. I would say roughly 3000, yet how many mempo helms 1. This is broken period this is why Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 had STATIC mobs that dropped certain gear. Who cares if someone wants to farm all day doing mephisto runs for gear vs. Diablo 3 farming Diablo for gear. Which btw is not possible since I have NEVER seen any boss other than ubers drop legendry's. O and the SK glitch being fixed as we speak.
D2 Online or offline vs. Diablo 3 Online Only
Diablo 2 offered a way to play the game if it was down for maintenance or you didn't have internet. Diablo 3 only allows you to play when Blizzard says you can play and that requires internet connection. I would get into major reasons they lost a lot of money on this but people will just argue the facts.
So to sum up why I am posting please vote using the poll if this is Diablo anymore. I vote NO with a big vote for them to just change the name of the game cause it isn't Diablo anymore.
TLDR: In Diablo 1 + Hellfire, Diablo 2 + Lord of Destruction we see the same things happening. Skill trees *Diablo 2 only* (edited so not taken out of context as IKNOWDiablo 1 had skillbooks)to progress your character how you want which is where diablo 1 falls in because you progressed how you wanted, different ways to build said character with stat points. Health and Mana pools one on left the other on right. PVP in a form of 'hostile', trading, selling, giving, and so much more.
Yet in Diablo 3 with the recent 2.0.1update we have Brawling (highly unenjoyable because its whoever hits first that wins.), leveling, health and arcane power/discipline/hatred/spirit/fury and w/e the crusader has (I didn't get beta ), and clan's. I cant really name anything else as I feel the skill system is not a decision since you get them all and can use them all. This wasn't possible in Diablo 1 or 2 without hacks and such. There is no character customization, as for paragon system this was a cop-out I feel for not having a skill tree and stat points to distribute how we want to not how blizzard feels it should be.
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*Edited again so people don't try to bash me more about something I didn't say
And why? Because you're using "Diablo" as a synonym for "my way of playing Diablo 2". The franchise "Diablo" is much more as just the narrow view of Diablo 2 that you provide in your summary.
- Diablo 1 had no skill trees, Diablo 3 has no skill trees.
- Diablo 1 had no PvP. Diablo 3 has "some" PvP (if you like Brawling or not, it's a start) and will probably get PvP eventually, once PvE is perfectly balanced.
- You can make a claim that BoA goes too far, but not the way you do it. Trading was never something that casuals did in D2, most people never traded publicly in D2 (we covered that discussion a million times). And it is just not true that if player A trades, it doesn't affect player B; the opposite is true, as the auction house was the reason why drop rates were so insanely low, eventually forcing everyone into using it. Trading was a major part of the game for some people in D2; in D3V, trading (i.e., using the AH) was more important to success than actually playing the game. With eradicating that ill-designed development, D3 went back to the franchise's core purpose (killing monsters).
- How terribly bad D3 would be if it didn't have "online only" is something you can see by looking at D3 for consoles. Btw, it's interesting that oftentimes the more competitive players (those who like trading and PvP) bring this online-only concern up: if the game had an offline mode, any competition would be dead by default (again, look at console). I elaborated on the importance of online-only for D3 here.
TL;DR: Reaper of Souls is more a Diablo game than Diablo 2 ever was.
Also dig up shaggy's posts in the past few weeks, he made some good points, too (maybe he'll summarize it again for you), linking to an interview of the people who actually invented the franchise.
What you envision as "the real Diablo" is neither what Blizzard has in mind, nor the inventors of the game, and probably not what the majority of players would agree with.
Did you ever played D1? you could get every spell no matter what, no skill tree whatsoever. D2 wasn't Diablo for that matter... D3 is a different game in a series, and it's true to the essence of the series while changing a lot of things.
So yeah, D3 is still Diablo and it has a lot of good and bad things as any other game you'll ever play
SO what you both above are saying is we are going to go "backwards"? You say diablo 1 has no skill trees that's correct there was books to learn skills and yes you could learn them all. Then we progressed to the skill tress because having everything is pointless and adds nothing but boredom to the game. Then we should progress further not go backwards back to having everything was my point.
I never said Diablo 1 had skill trees but I can see how this could be taken how you both took it. It was a general statement that the previous games had progression not steps backwords but its ok that you took it the wrong way. Im not here to argue with you guys about anything it was all just my opinions of what we should have but DONT have. You guys can stick up for this game all you want, but with BOA you will all quit in matter of months maybe a year or 2and ill be left with the garbage you created along with the other hardcore fans that cant stand the direction they are taking this series.
And as far as Diablo 1 no pvp well guess what buddy we should progress diablo 2 had hostile pvp so Diablo 3 we should progress to tournaments or ranked pvp. Do you not get it that games PROGRESS not DECLINE like this one?
I wish these threads would just be autolocked and the OP permanently banned so we could stop hearing these "I'm a hardcore D2 player and I think D3 is shit because" threads. I played a ton of D2 with friends who absolutely loved it, and I hated the hell out of diablo 2. farming for years of my life for 1 zod rune is not my idea of "fun", nor is having random people force into my passworded games with hacking programs to kill the everliving hell out of me 30 times a day to steal all of my stuff and grief me, or being scammed every time I want to trade outside my circle of friends for something none of us had. I could go on for days about how terrible Diablo 2 actually was but some people are just far too jaded to see the truth.
Im not here to argue with you guys about anything it was all just my opinions of what we should have but DONT have. You guys can stick up for this game all you want, but with BOA you will all quit in matter of months maybe a year or 2and ill be left with the garbage you created along with the other hardcore fans that cant stand the direction they are taking this series.
What's the point of posting in the forums if you aren't open to discussion?
with BOA you will all quit in matter of months maybe a year or 2
I think, being able to spend that many hours in a game for it's price is just simply AMAZING. Even if it's a couple months only, that's more time then any SP game normally racks up.
The answer to the issue you're having, OP, is in your username itself.
"IAMDIABLO"
That attitude, that disposition in which many long time Diablo fans have put themselves in is exactly what the problem is with many players. Each individual has their own preset ideas about what D3 "should've" been for them, personally. Every aspect of the game that goes out of lockstep with ones own ideals and desires for a Diablo game becomes yet another list of complaints posted on a forum.
I've made peace with the fact that Diablo evolves, as does everything else. The game feels and plays very much like Diablo. Especially after 2.0, many of the 'ol familiar Diablo feelings are apparent.
Not every aspect of the game is going to jive with your personal desires. Stop taking everything and dissecting and over-analyzing. Stop taking every aspect that differs from your own opinion as an affront to all Diablo players.
Why is it everyone bashes someone that has something bad to say about the game? @Rasako I never said Im hardcoreD2 and D3 is *enter cussword* (which I reported you for ty for joining that ban wagon you speak of). I cant simply offer my point of view with out being bashed by all you brown nosers? I mean I would love to stick up for Diablo 3 but the only good thing about it is the combat which they still have yet to fix monk TR making you rubberband back. Yet you don't see me bringing up these things or bashing you because you love the game so much and everything is fine in your eyes. Why come to my post to bash me when you have nothing to add? At least the first poster had something intelligent to add.
@Maffia please don't come to my topic to say troll when nobody here is trolling. This is my opinion and the poll is where you vote please vote and if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything thank you.
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Im not here to argue with you guys about anything it was all just my opinions of what we should have but DONT have. You guys can stick up for this game all you want, but with BOA you will all quit in matter of months maybe a year or 2and ill be left with the garbage you created along with the other hardcore fans that cant stand the direction they are taking this series.
What's the point of posting in the forums if you aren't open to discussion?
I just said I am not going to argue, I don't mind discussing that's not arguing. Not trolling but below is the difference. Just wish for oncesomeone could post something with some actual feedback and get notice not flamed like I have already been. Thanks for your post though.
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The answer to the issue you're having, OP, is in your username itself.
"IAMDIABLO"
That attitude, that disposition in which many long time Diablo fans have put themselves in is exactly what the problem is with many players. Each individual has their own preset ideas about what D3 "should've" been for them, personally. Every aspect of the game that goes out of lockstep with ones own ideals and desires for a Diablo game becomes yet another list of complaints posted on a forum.
I've made peace with the fact that Diablo evolves, as does everything else. The game feels and plays very much like Diablo. Especially after 2.0, many of the 'ol familiar Diablo feelings are apparent.
Not every aspect of the game is going to jive with your personal desires. Stop taking everything and dissecting and over-analyzing. Stop taking every aspect that differs from your own opinion as an affront to all Diablo players.
Basing people for their name? What if it said spong bob would you taken me serious then? maybe themightynobody....would that work for you? If so ill petition the username change to make you happy but don't judge me when you don't know me please. Also what does my username matter to what my opinions are?
Why is it everyone bashes someone that has something bad to say about the game? @Rasako I never said Im hardcore and D3 is *enter cussword* (which I reported you for ty for joining that ban wagon you speak of). I cant simply offer my point of view with out being bashed by all you brown nosers? I mean I would love to stick up for Diablo 3 but the only good thing about it is the combat which they still have yet to fix monk TR making you rubberband back. Yet you don't see me bringing up these things or bashing you because you love the game so much and everything is fine in your eyes. Why come to my post to bash me when you have nothing to add? At least the first poster had something intelligent to add.
You reported me for not insulting you and not calling you names? Cool. ...and then you call me a brown noser?
Your post bares the only infraction of rules here, bud.
If all you desire is to have people agree with you, go post @ Bnet. Here, you will be confronted with opposing opinions and people will give them to you freely, as did I.
I made a similar post as yours, here, months ago and I quit as soon as I found out they released a console version with better loot than the PC and the PC wasn't getting attention until *next year. But I had time to think, put things in perspective and, now that Blizzard finally addressed their woeful in-game loot system, they've earned back my trust and I enjoy Diablo 3 very much.
People are telling you it IS Diablo because Diablo isn't a single, narrow concept that you isolated from Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction. They're not arguing with you or bashing you, they're giving you legitimate reasons why your point is not well thought through.
You're the one who started throwing a mini tantrum because people were disagreeing with you.
Or maybe we're all just internet bullies and you're just mad that you can't log into our game and kill us a "few hundred" times. You sound like a really rational, well-adjusted human being.
Why is it everyone bashes someone that has something bad to say about the game? @Rasako I never said Im hardcore and D3 is *enter cussword* (which I reported you for ty for joining that ban wagon you speak of). I cant simply offer my point of view with out being bashed by all you brown nosers? I mean I would love to stick up for Diablo 3 but the only good thing about it is the combat which they still have yet to fix monk TR making you rubberband back. Yet you don't see me bringing up these things or bashing you because you love the game so much and everything is fine in your eyes. Why come to my post to bash me when you have nothing to add? At least the first poster had something intelligent to add.
You reported me for not insulting you and not calling you names? Cool. ...and then you call me a brown noser?
Your post bares the only infraction of rules here, bud.
If all you desire is to have people agree with you, go post @ Bnet. Here, you will be confronted with opposing opinions and people will give them to you freely, as did I.
I made a similar post as yours, here, months ago and I quit as soon as I found out they released a console version with better loot than the PC and the PC wasn't getting attention until *next year. But I had time to think, put things in perspective and, now that Blizzard finally addressed their woeful in-game loot system, they've earned back my trust and I enjoy Diablo 3 very much.
Please re-read my post it makes you look very bad when you think I reported you. I said I reported the @Rasako guy not you. Sorry if your reading comprehension failed you today. (had to be a little bit of a troll here you know that right?)
People are telling you it IS Diablo because Diablo isn't a single, narrow concept that you isolated from Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction. They're not arguing with you or bashing you, they're giving you legitimate reasons why your point is not well thought through.
You're the one who started throwing a mini tantrum because people were disagreeing with you. Or maybe we're all just internet bullies and you're just mad that you can't log into our game and kill us a "few hundred" times. You sound like a really rational, well-adjusted human being.
I'm sorry that you were beat up in Diablo 2 by the internet bullies maybe if you would have known me you would have had as much fun as I did, unfortunately that didn't happen.
SO what you both above are saying is we are going to go "backwards"? You say diablo 1 has no skill trees that's correct there was books to learn skills and yes you could learn them all. Then we progressed to the skill tress because having everything is pointless and adds nothing but boredom to the game. Then we should progress further not go backwards back to having everything was my point.
I think you're putting words in other people's mouths (hence the accusations of trolling).
Please explain in more detail why you feel that not having skill trees is "going backwards". I think you'll find that many people don't agree with you that it's going backwards. Diablo 3's skill system is an evolution to the skill tree concept and, while not perfect, I much prefer it to Diablo 2.
Its so funny that most people that seem to revel in the glory of Diablo 2, are still acting like the angst filled Teenagers they were when that game came out. D2 had some good things going for it that we lost (Skill Trees, Ladders, Runes, and for some Hostile Mode) but, with the losses of those things, came the clean up of many more bad things... Duping, Scamming and Griefing.
I can without a doubt say that I would play D3 over D2 anyday, and I had countless lvl 99's back in the day. Take of the nostalgic glasses and look at it for what it is, and you can see its a much more polished game, esp. now that 2.0 and Reaper are here.
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To start the discussion I would like to bring up Skill trees and Stat points:
I know this has been brought to devs attention many times but feel it hasn't really been addressed how it should be. I will use the Sorceress from Diablo 2 as an example here (please note all class's can be done this way). In Diablo 2 I was able to get countless playing hours every ladder reset making a cold/fire/lightning sorc (haven't played after 1.11b patch so I heard you can now reset all skills and don't have to level char if you mess them up which is cool with me. I would still have 1 of each so I can play different roles whenever I want without having to reset the skills.) leveling that sorc up and decking that sorc out in gear, stats, and skills. The rune word items added a lot of customization to the builds that you wanted to use but that's another discussion.
So what do we have in Diablo 3, a skill system that you get every skill in so no matter what you got them all. A stat system that everytime you level it auto distributes depending on the class, and 2.0 loot which is kind of good kind of bad below ill get into items. I don't even have to make but 1 of each class because there is no need to I have everything given to me. There is not customization to a character here, and everyone is the same.
Hostile vs. Brawling
So in Diablo 2 there was this button that a lot of people loved, and others despised. This was a button that I loved, and ill explain this a little more. When playing Diablo3 you run into what I like to call internet bullies and yes you may say I am one of them but I am not I just believe in being able to stick up for yourself. So you get this internet bully that sees your character (does the dog butt sniff to your account) and instantly starts flaming you or calling you a CC warrior, botter, or w/e comes to their mind because your gear is better than theirs or you have low dps. When I would run into these said bullies in Diablo 2 I could just join their game hostile them, kill them a few hundred times, then move on with my day...GOOD TIMES.
However in Diablo 3 you can do nothing to the bullies that do this. You can ask them to join a game and do some brawling but chances are he will already be in the brawling area when you join his game and hell get first attack if good and then leaves game still flaming that he 1 shot you like its so hard in Diablo 3. I remember some fights in Diablo 2 that went on for DAYS because we were able to name the games and 8 people per game 1 guy leave another join over and overwas a blast unfortunately now we have 4 max in Diablo 3. Point is there now is no PVP in Diablo 3 which BTW was promise on the BOX of Diablo 3.
D2 Items vs. D3 Items
Diablo 2 items are far superior when rune word came out than what we have currently in Diablo 3. BOA is a complete joke by all aspects and should have never been allowed in the game but lets look at the items in general and not BOA. In Diablo 2 most items had a static drop % from certain mobs. In Diablo 3 every mob drops everything......
In Diablo 2 we had a choice to farm for certain gear but in Diablo 3 you have no choice of what gear you are farming you only have choice of where to farm. Diablo 2 items did not determine weather you could face roll through the game in Hell mode solo, character progression and customization did. In DIablo 3 (before removal of AH) just buy best gearand face roll everything or farm for eternity to get to where I am currently at in Diablo 3 with over 3000 hours with my monk alone. Yes I know you could P2W in Diablo 2 but that's not my point point is the gear for Diablo 2 really didn't keep you from progression but this is completely opposite of Diablo 3. Don't have the gear for Torment 1 guess what farm master till you get the gear.
D2 Trading vs. D3 BOA Diablo 2 had trading which we use to also have in Diablo 3which allowed casuals to trade for gear they needed or wanted. This is why the AH was put into place, for the casuals. Now its being removed because people are crying over pay 2 winners. I mean seriously its an ARPG game who cares what others do in the game, like me selling IK chest 3 times for 150$ on RMAH is effecting you. Or me selling something on GAH for 2billion gold. Anyone else notice how Blizzard simply forgot to mention in patch notes that the GAH until removed would only let you max item on GAH for 999,999,999 gold instead of the 2B limit it use to have? They simply just forgot to mention it right? SO many things that Diablo 2 trading was good for, yeah there were a lot of scammers, botter, w/e but we have that in Diablo 3 also. BOA yes is limiting the botters that make money off the game but now its going to be everyone botting because now they cant buy gear due to not able to play game 8 hours a day like hardcore fans as myself.
In short Diablo 2 offered means of getting gear without having to play for years I need a Tals set make game WTB TALS waitzomg no knowledge needed no 1000+ hours killing everything and its momma to hope it drops out of the other 300-400 legendry's that COULD drop instead. You know how many Hellracks I found in the time I played Diablo 3. I would say roughly 3000, yet how many mempo helms 1. This is broken period this is why Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 had STATIC mobs that dropped certain gear. Who cares if someone wants to farm all day doing mephisto runs for gear vs. Diablo 3 farming Diablo for gear. Which btw is not possible since I have NEVER seen any boss other than ubers drop legendry's. O and the SK glitch being fixed as we speak.
D2 Online or offline vs. Diablo 3 Online Only
Diablo 2 offered a way to play the game if it was down for maintenance or you didn't have internet. Diablo 3 only allows you to play when Blizzard says you can play and that requires internet connection. I would get into major reasons they lost a lot of money on this but people will just argue the facts.
So to sum up why I am posting please vote using the poll if this is Diablo anymore. I vote NO with a big vote for them to just change the name of the game cause it isn't Diablo anymore.
TLDR: In Diablo 1 + Hellfire, Diablo 2 + Lord of Destruction we see the same things happening. Skill trees *Diablo 2 only* (edited so not taken out of context as IKNOWDiablo 1 had skillbooks)to progress your character how you want which is where diablo 1 falls in because you progressed how you wanted, different ways to build said character with stat points. Health and Mana pools one on left the other on right. PVP in a form of 'hostile', trading, selling, giving, and so much more.
Yet in Diablo 3 with the recent 2.0.1update we have Brawling (highly unenjoyable because its whoever hits first that wins.), leveling, health and arcane power/discipline/hatred/spirit/fury and w/e the crusader has (I didn't get beta
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ModeratorAnd why? Because you're using "Diablo" as a synonym for "my way of playing Diablo 2". The franchise "Diablo" is much more as just the narrow view of Diablo 2 that you provide in your summary.
- Diablo 1 had no skill trees, Diablo 3 has no skill trees.
- Diablo 1 had no PvP. Diablo 3 has "some" PvP (if you like Brawling or not, it's a start) and will probably get PvP eventually, once PvE is perfectly balanced.
- You can make a claim that BoA goes too far, but not the way you do it. Trading was never something that casuals did in D2, most people never traded publicly in D2 (we covered that discussion a million times). And it is just not true that if player A trades, it doesn't affect player B; the opposite is true, as the auction house was the reason why drop rates were so insanely low, eventually forcing everyone into using it. Trading was a major part of the game for some people in D2; in D3V, trading (i.e., using the AH) was more important to success than actually playing the game. With eradicating that ill-designed development, D3 went back to the franchise's core purpose (killing monsters).
- How terribly bad D3 would be if it didn't have "online only" is something you can see by looking at D3 for consoles. Btw, it's interesting that oftentimes the more competitive players (those who like trading and PvP) bring this online-only concern up: if the game had an offline mode, any competition would be dead by default (again, look at console). I elaborated on the importance of online-only for D3 here.
TL;DR: Reaper of Souls is more a Diablo game than Diablo 2 ever was.
Also dig up shaggy's posts in the past few weeks, he made some good points, too (maybe he'll summarize it again for you), linking to an interview of the people who actually invented the franchise.
What you envision as "the real Diablo" is neither what Blizzard has in mind, nor the inventors of the game, and probably not what the majority of players would agree with.
So yeah, D3 is still Diablo and it has a lot of good and bad things as any other game you'll ever play
This is silly... Of course its still i Diablo game.
its a sequel that changes a few things but the core is still there.
Select skills, progress through campaign, farm maps for materials and gear.
Its a dungeon crawler.
Asking if Diablo 3 is a real Diablo game like like asking if Mario 2 and Mario Sunshine are real Mario games... obviously they are.
I never said Diablo 1 had skill trees but I can see how this could be taken how you both took it. It was a general statement that the previous games had progression not steps backwords but its ok that you took it the wrong way. Im not here to argue with you guys about anything it was all just my opinions of what we should have but DONT have. You guys can stick up for this game all you want, but with BOA you will all quit in matter of months maybe a year or 2and ill be left with the garbage you created along with the other hardcore fans that cant stand the direction they are taking this series.
And as far as Diablo 1 no pvp well guess what buddy we should progress diablo 2 had hostile pvp so Diablo 3 we should progress to tournaments or ranked pvp. Do you not get it that games PROGRESS not DECLINE like this one?
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That attitude, that disposition in which many long time Diablo fans have put themselves in is exactly what the problem is with many players. Each individual has their own preset ideas about what D3 "should've" been for them, personally. Every aspect of the game that goes out of lockstep with ones own ideals and desires for a Diablo game becomes yet another list of complaints posted on a forum.
I've made peace with the fact that Diablo evolves, as does everything else. The game feels and plays very much like Diablo. Especially after 2.0, many of the 'ol familiar Diablo feelings are apparent.
Not every aspect of the game is going to jive with your personal desires. Stop taking everything and dissecting and over-analyzing. Stop taking every aspect that differs from your own opinion as an affront to all Diablo players.
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@Maffia please don't come to my topic to say troll when nobody here is trolling. This is my opinion and the poll is where you vote please vote and if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything thank you.
Arguing is like this:
Yes it is
No its not
Yes it is
No its not
A discussion is like this:
I think this is not diablo what do you think
I think it is diablo because of this reason
o you do well why do you think that
because that's what I like
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Wise ElderYour post bares the only infraction of rules here, bud.
If all you desire is to have people agree with you, go post @ Bnet. Here, you will be confronted with opposing opinions and people will give them to you freely, as did I.
I made a similar post as yours, here, months ago and I quit as soon as I found out they released a console version with better loot than the PC and the PC wasn't getting attention until *next year. But I had time to think, put things in perspective and, now that Blizzard finally addressed their woeful in-game loot system, they've earned back my trust and I enjoy Diablo 3 very much.
BurningRope#1322 (US~HC)
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You're the one who started throwing a mini tantrum because people were disagreeing with you.
Or maybe we're all just internet bullies and you're just mad that you can't log into our game and kill us a "few hundred" times. You sound like a really rational, well-adjusted human being.
Please explain in more detail why you feel that not having skill trees is "going backwards". I think you'll find that many people don't agree with you that it's going backwards. Diablo 3's skill system is an evolution to the skill tree concept and, while not perfect, I much prefer it to Diablo 2.
I can without a doubt say that I would play D3 over D2 anyday, and I had countless lvl 99's back in the day. Take of the nostalgic glasses and look at it for what it is, and you can see its a much more polished game, esp. now that 2.0 and Reaper are here.