"I'm still saddened that the most efficient way to gain currency and gear is to check what the market needs, what the patch notes say, browse countless of pages on the AH, buy low priced items, wait till prices rise up, sell your stockpiled items to gain profit instead of playing the item hunt game that's Diablo".
Knowledge of the markets has always provided a fast way to the top. I'm still shocked that some people think this is unique to D3. It's not, and nothing will change that.
Whether or not flippers exist, you still will "climb through the ranks" at a faster rate if you're searching for good deals. If you can turn 50k gold into a 1400 DPS weapon with 3% LL, 150 primary stat, 75% crit damage, and a socket because of someone elses ignorance then you're a winner whether or not you resell the item.
I know when I get the itch to buy something on the AH I always look for poorly-priced items. Why? It makes me much more likely to hit the "buyout" button. If I can walk away with a top-end item for 100k gold because someone else didn't know the market that makes for more enjoyment of the game for ME.
So yes, even after you rephrase your statement, I still disagree with it wholeheartedly. You are stating what we know to be obvious. Buying low (whether or not you resell) is the single best way to make your toon better. Capitilizing on undervalued items will always result in the fastest progression through the game. You can't change that. It doesn't make D3 a bad game. It means that those who understand what makes a good item, understand how the patches will effect the relative value of items, etc. will be rewarded for having that knowledge.
I'm not a flipper. I can only farm MP3. But I don't hate people who utilize all the tools at their disposal to succeed.
Yeah....I don't get it?
I remember doing quite a bit of hustling in D2. I don't actively flip, but when I make a find, I get my value for it. ....just like in D2.
I'm not sure I see an intrinsic difference between buying and selling with gold via the AH and D2's trade games 'HoZ for 10 HR'......wherein lies the fundamental, intrinsic difference?
Unless someone bought it and selling it again for 250m, you are lying. Plus with no socket its not worth that much imo plus i rather get a visage with socket and AR. U might get more than what u paid for but no where close to hundreds of millions imo unless u find someone dumb enough to pay soo much for it.
If you want to make money, you buy low, sell high, isn't that how things are supposed to work?
This has been going on since the early days of the game. I got my first taste of flipping back in June 2012. It was even more rampant back then because the game was young and the market wasn't saturated. Now it's much more difficult to flip because there are so many mid-tier items. The "market" for profits right now is with high end items.
900M ring sold for 5 billion gold. That's my personal record. Honorable mentions, 2 billion gold Mempo sold for 4.5 billion, 500M gloves sold for 1.75 billion, 700M gold Triumvirate sold for 2 billion.
When items are far more rare, that's when people start paying stupid gold to get their hands on trophy items. Meanwhile, I would say the mid-tier items market is a lot better now, which actually enables more players to suit up if they're stuck progress-wise. Now if you choose to seek "perfection," then you'll be in rough shape considering the high-end market.
Anyway, my two cents is that this video doesn't really say much given that flipping has been around since the beginning...
Over the past month I got about $55 of self found loot, and about $150 (maybe a bit more) from flipping. And I was already really lucky on the self found part since that pretty much consisted of 2 good items (Str/Crit Mempo and High Dex/Vit Vile Ward). If I hadn't gotten those 2 items, my found items value would have been about $1.
During the first 3-4 or so months of Diablo 3, farming WAS worth it. Content was a little more challenging, so not everyone could do it. That meant:
1) Not everyone can do it
2) AH wasn't flooded with items
For me, the problem now is that everyone can farm items, which means: relative to other players, the drops I find aren't nearly as good anymore. And since there's a flood of items on the AH, a lot of them are regularly posted at ridiculously low easily flip-able prices.
So those 2 factors combined basically means that flipping is just more effective than farming. The only situation where farming would be a faster way for me to make gold again is when content is difficult enough that not everyone can do it at super speeds. As long as there is such a large amount of loot being found, there will be a constant supply of underpriced items on the AH.
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With that being said, I'm actually sure that I've found more than enough self-found items to have done MP10 on Barb, Monk, or DH had I kept all the items I've found. To me, I'd have to say the drops really aren't that bad. It's just that flipping is that much better. Also since I didn't keep and use my self found gear, I'd have to say the items I found and sold last month are worth like TWICE the total of the gear that I'm wearing. Which says a lot about how I don't even care about getting better gear because the content doesn't require better gear.
Farming in this game is just simply too easy and requires too little gear. Using a bit a strategy and ~85m worth of gear including gems, I've already gotten farming rates higher than many people that are wearing Billions of gold worth of gear. Which of course brings us to the point where it's pretty obvious that better gear doesn't do much in this game aside from showing off to friends.
Over the past month I got about $55 of self found loot, and about $150 (maybe a bit more) from flipping. And I was already really lucky on the self found part since that pretty much consisted of 2 good items (Str/Crit Mempo and High Dex/Vit Vile Ward). If I hadn't gotten those 2 items, my found items value would have been about $1.
During the first 3-4 or so months of Diablo 3, farming WAS worth it. Content was a little more challenging, so not everyone could do it. That meant:
1) Not everyone can do it
2) AH wasn't flooded with items
For me, the problem now is that everyone can farm items, which means: relative to other players, the drops I find aren't nearly as good anymore. And since there's a flood of items on the AH, a lot of them are regularly posted at ridiculously low easily flip-able prices.
So those 2 factors combined basically means that flipping is just more effective than farming. The only situation where farming would be a faster way for me to make gold again is when content is difficult enough that not everyone can do it at super speeds. As long as there is such a large amount of loot being found, there will be a constant supply of underpriced items on the AH.
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With that being said, I'm actually sure that I've found more than enough self-found items to have done MP10 on Barb, Monk, or DH had I kept all the items I've found. To me, I'd have to say the drops really aren't that bad. It's just that flipping is that much better. Also since I didn't keep and use my self found gear, I'd have to say the items I found and sold last month are worth like TWICE the total of the gear that I'm wearing. Which says a lot about how I don't even care about getting better gear because the content doesn't require better gear.
Farming in this game is just simply too easy and requires too little gear. Using a bit a strategy and ~85m worth of gear including gems, I've already gotten farming rates higher than many people that are wearing Billions of gold worth of gear. Which of course brings us to the point where it's pretty obvious that better gear doesn't do much in this game aside from showing off to friends.
That last part is extremely true. I was helping a friend out with gear the other day and every time I go to gear up or help someone gear I have to take 10 minutes of my day to explain to them that there is a magnificent diminishing returns effect on the price of gear and the amount of gains you actually get from it. That being said, that unfortunately generally segues into the whole "itemization is fucked, the foundation of the gameplay is skewed" discussion
Farming in this game is just simply too easy and requires too little gear. Using a bit a strategy and ~85m worth of gear including gems, I've already gotten farming rates higher than many people that are wearing Billions of gold worth of gear. Which of course brings us to the point where it's pretty obvious that better gear doesn't do much in this game aside from showing off to friends.
I know ...just like D2. This game is gonna fail...just like D2.
I know ...just like D2. This game is gonna fail...just like D2.
Diablo 2 = Mephisto runs in my sleep.
I never played D2, but by 2012 standards, D3 is already quite successful. Back 10+ years ago there were very limited choices of games, so when something good for it's time (such as D2) comes out, it makes sense that people will play it for a long time.
Now there are many more games that come out every month, and for D3 to even retain the number of players it has now, I'd say it's already a success. I'm not even talking about the original sales numbers, but just the number of people that still play it nearly a year after release.
Back 10+ years ago there were very limited choices of games, so when something good for it's time (such as D2) comes out, it makes sense that people will play it for a long time. lolwot?
2000 +- few yars = golden age of PC gaming.
In that time PC games became popular not only for nerds, PC-clubs and rare PC-owners.
During that time released much more great games, than for next 10 years.
And after that time the industry turned into a business and money making.
Back 10+ years ago there were very limited choices of games, so when something good for it's time (such as D2) comes out, it makes sense that people will play it for a long time. lolwot?
2000 +- few yars = golden age of PC gaming.
In that time PC games became popular not only for nerds, PC-clubs and rare PC-owners.
During that time released much more great games, than for next 10 years.
And after that time the industry turned into a business and money making.
Well he's got a point of sorts. Sometimes phenomenons like Diablo 2 are right for their time. If there never was a D2, and they released it now (with better graphics ofc), I'm not sure it blows up like it did.
Gaming is an industry that follows trends, and the ARPG genre has a very specialized niche.
Back 10+ years ago there were very limited choices of games, so when something good for it's time (such as D2) comes out, it makes sense that people will play it for a long time. lolwot?
2000 +- few yars = golden age of PC gaming.
In that time PC games became popular not only for nerds, PC-clubs and rare PC-owners.
During that time released much more great games, than for next 10 years.
And after that time the industry turned into a business and money making.
I agree with your last statement, it does seems like money making within the game is much visible now. Unlike before there are rare activities when it comes to RMT and item shops in mmorpg is not even noticeable my players.
I bet that in the near future even players can do business and make money while playing game legitimately.
Back 10+ years ago there were very limited choices of games, so when something good for it's time (such as D2) comes out, it makes sense that people will play it for a long time. lolwot?
2000 +- few yars = golden age of PC gaming.
In that time PC games became popular not only for nerds, PC-clubs and rare PC-owners.
During that time released much more great games, than for next 10 years.
And after that time the industry turned into a business and money making.
I agree with your last statement, it does seems like money making within the game is much visible now. Unlike before there are rare activities when it comes to RMT and item shops in mmorpg is not even noticeable my players.
I bet that in the near future even players can do business and make money while playing game legitimately.
Firstly; Software companies ARE a business. Businesses go under if they don't make money. How do you think these companies provide us with all these entertainment choices?
Secondly; The RMAH is a model for the players to "do business and make money". Have you not heard of the RMAH yet or.....?
Third; Micro-transactions ARE visible to the players. While I played GW1, they had a very small stash box. If you wanted a bigger one, you had to pony up the dough.
Op just keeps re-doing videos he found on youtube. Probably just after views and klicks on his channel. He puts no research into them himself and just copies information without double checking.
Well, at least this time he had to find the item he flipped himself, so that is probably more work on that video than on his other ones combined.
I am not klicking no more video links by that guy, nono.
Flipping from GAH to RMAH works best for me.
I am buying certain items for 100k. Selling them on RMAH for $3-$12
So... 100k gold + $1 transaction fee = the cost
Even if I sell for minimum of $3 (which i get a sale at least once every 2 days) = $2 total profit
1 million gold = lets say about 4 cents right now..so $2 = 50 million..
Started doing this under a month ago and have made almost $90 so far.. = 2.2 billion gold if I were to convert..
Flipping on just the GAH is no where near as profitable than flipping between the two i find..
Flipping from GAH to RMAH works best for me.
I am buying certain items for 100k. Selling them on RMAH for $3-$12
So... 100k gold + $1 transaction fee = the cost
Even if I sell for minimum of $3 (which i get a sale at least once every 2 days) = $2 total profit
1 million gold = lets say about 4 cents right now..so $2 = 50 million..
Started doing this under a month ago and have made almost $90 so far.. = 2.2 billion gold if I were to convert..
Flipping on just the GAH is no where near as profitable than flipping between the two i find..
Have you also consider selling to a third party site? Not sure if its much profitable but I did heard that some people said that its profitable.
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Yeah....I don't get it?
I remember doing quite a bit of hustling in D2. I don't actively flip, but when I make a find, I get my value for it. ....just like in D2.
I'm not sure I see an intrinsic difference between buying and selling with gold via the AH and D2's trade games 'HoZ for 10 HR'......wherein lies the fundamental, intrinsic difference?
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Unless you put the proof it sold for the much, I would heavily doubt you. I am sure you may have, but this is the interwebz. People lie. Period.
Now, I'm not calling you a liar. What I'm saying, is that I can't validate your claim to be selling that item for that amount.
This has been going on since the early days of the game. I got my first taste of flipping back in June 2012. It was even more rampant back then because the game was young and the market wasn't saturated. Now it's much more difficult to flip because there are so many mid-tier items. The "market" for profits right now is with high end items.
900M ring sold for 5 billion gold. That's my personal record. Honorable mentions, 2 billion gold Mempo sold for 4.5 billion, 500M gloves sold for 1.75 billion, 700M gold Triumvirate sold for 2 billion.
When items are far more rare, that's when people start paying stupid gold to get their hands on trophy items. Meanwhile, I would say the mid-tier items market is a lot better now, which actually enables more players to suit up if they're stuck progress-wise. Now if you choose to seek "perfection," then you'll be in rough shape considering the high-end market.
Anyway, my two cents is that this video doesn't really say much given that flipping has been around since the beginning...
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Pics or liar
I have an idea for your next video. Explain to us how to buy health potions.
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During the first 3-4 or so months of Diablo 3, farming WAS worth it. Content was a little more challenging, so not everyone could do it. That meant:
1) Not everyone can do it
2) AH wasn't flooded with items
For me, the problem now is that everyone can farm items, which means: relative to other players, the drops I find aren't nearly as good anymore. And since there's a flood of items on the AH, a lot of them are regularly posted at ridiculously low easily flip-able prices.
So those 2 factors combined basically means that flipping is just more effective than farming. The only situation where farming would be a faster way for me to make gold again is when content is difficult enough that not everyone can do it at super speeds. As long as there is such a large amount of loot being found, there will be a constant supply of underpriced items on the AH.
-----
With that being said, I'm actually sure that I've found more than enough self-found items to have done MP10 on Barb, Monk, or DH had I kept all the items I've found. To me, I'd have to say the drops really aren't that bad. It's just that flipping is that much better. Also since I didn't keep and use my self found gear, I'd have to say the items I found and sold last month are worth like TWICE the total of the gear that I'm wearing. Which says a lot about how I don't even care about getting better gear because the content doesn't require better gear.
Farming in this game is just simply too easy and requires too little gear. Using a bit a strategy and ~85m worth of gear including gems, I've already gotten farming rates higher than many people that are wearing Billions of gold worth of gear. Which of course brings us to the point where it's pretty obvious that better gear doesn't do much in this game aside from showing off to friends.
That last part is extremely true. I was helping a friend out with gear the other day and every time I go to gear up or help someone gear I have to take 10 minutes of my day to explain to them that there is a magnificent diminishing returns effect on the price of gear and the amount of gains you actually get from it. That being said, that unfortunately generally segues into the whole "itemization is fucked, the foundation of the gameplay is skewed" discussion
I know ...just like D2. This game is gonna fail...just like D2.
Diablo 2 = Mephisto runs in my sleep.
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I never played D2, but by 2012 standards, D3 is already quite successful. Back 10+ years ago there were very limited choices of games, so when something good for it's time (such as D2) comes out, it makes sense that people will play it for a long time.
Now there are many more games that come out every month, and for D3 to even retain the number of players it has now, I'd say it's already a success. I'm not even talking about the original sales numbers, but just the number of people that still play it nearly a year after release.
lolwot?
2000 +- few yars = golden age of PC gaming.
In that time PC games became popular not only for nerds, PC-clubs and rare PC-owners.
During that time released much more great games, than for next 10 years.
And after that time the industry turned into a business and money making.
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Well, at least this time he had to find the item he flipped himself, so that is probably more work on that video than on his other ones combined.
I am not klicking no more video links by that guy, nono.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Twoflower-2131/hero/47336841
I am buying certain items for 100k. Selling them on RMAH for $3-$12
So... 100k gold + $1 transaction fee = the cost
Even if I sell for minimum of $3 (which i get a sale at least once every 2 days) = $2 total profit
1 million gold = lets say about 4 cents right now..so $2 = 50 million..
Started doing this under a month ago and have made almost $90 so far.. = 2.2 billion gold if I were to convert..
Flipping on just the GAH is no where near as profitable than flipping between the two i find..
Have you also consider selling to a third party site? Not sure if its much profitable but I did heard that some people said that its profitable.