Or maybe they stay off these forums. I may be wrong but after being on this site for a couple of years and playing the beta since January, it feels like there are ALOT of WOW ans SC2 players and new diablo players buzzing around d3, in-game and out. There's nothing wrong with that but most of the complaints about D3 come from them. I keep seeing questions and topics being made and thinking to myself "Really? Have they even played D2?". I remember back in the day when people were drooling over just to get a Bonesnap Maul for their barb and when Magic Arrow was a nuclear bomb. has Diablo lost fans?
And who is a "real Diablo fan"? Sounds like a retarded concept to me.
Anybody who wants to play is a fan of Diablo. If there are a bunch of idiots out there that stopped following Diablo 3 because they perceive it to be a WoW cloan, good riddance. It means less dumb people for me to play with overall.
And for the record, I've played Diablo on and off since the original Diablo 1 beta (yes I was in it) and don't consider myself any better than anybody who picked it up from a WoW Annual Pass for the first time. I mean who cares.
Since it took them 500 years to develop it, the older players have since gone on to other things, grown out of gaming, have other responsibilities etc.
Quit crying you will love the game just as much as I will. As a player since the original game I have taken time to do other things with my life besides complain until release date. I hope others did the same.
Lots of people have come and gone, some saw the way d3 was and didn't like it so they decided to move on, some were even eagerly awaiting the game but perhaps after playing or seeing something they didn't like decided it was not for them. As the old people go, newer people come and fill in the place.
It's also true how these forums were as well as many people have come and gone for a long time and there are very few really old members left.
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I guess they lost their nostalgic fans.
I'm 33, I played D1 and D2, and I can't wait to play D3.
I really love what they made with their new game design, and they gave enough explanations about them, too bad some people can't think about it.
I guess they lost their nostalgic fans.
I'm 33, I played D1 and D2, and I can't wait to play D3.
I really love what they made with their new game design, and they gave enough explanations about them, too bad some people can't think about it.
Very true. It's all about change, and how people can't stand it, at least not at first. And I get it - their first thought when diablo is mentioned is D1 or D2, so introducing practically everything except the isometric view and the storyline as different offsets them. I just wish they would stick around and listen to WHY the devs would change this, or add that, ect.
It's going to be a life-killer, this game. And when I'm old and dying, I'll look back and smile on playing D3 =)
I'm a long term Diablo fan. I didn't play Diablo 1 on PC i did however play this shit out of it with my brother cory on the PS1. Then Diablo 2 rolled around and again played the crap out of that only not just with my brother, with about 20 of our rl friends we got hooked on the game. Fast forward 12 years later and we have families, kids, real jobs etc... I'm lucky in the fact I work from home so i can sit here and browse all day and post on silly interwebz forums, many are not. Will all my hardcore friends who used to skip school with me play Diablo 3, sure. Will all of them be able to play like we use to, no.
This isn't a series where the last game came out 5 years ago and people are dying for a sequel. This is a series that hasn't been done in quite some time and you're gonna have a lot of completely new people that are interested in playing. Again we're here, just prolly not as prevelant as the newer people.
Or maybe they stay off these forums. I may be wrong but after being on this site for a couple of years and playing the beta since January, it feels like there are ALOT of WOW ans SC2 players and new diablo players buzzing around d3, in-game and out. There's nothing wrong with that but most of the complaints about D3 come from them. I keep seeing questions and topics being made and thinking to myself "Really? Have they even played D2?". I remember back in the day when people were drooling over just to get a Bonesnap Maul for their barb and when Magic Arrow was a nuclear bomb. has Diablo lost fans?
A lot of us grew up and when Diablo 2 came out there was no competition and we loved every aspect of it because we had nothing to compare it to.
Sort of like of a dude saw a horse & cart for the first time he would think its RAD! But 10 years later when his mates are driving cars around that horse & cart although was rad at the time, doesnt quite cut it anymore.
Frankly people who have played good MMO's & yes even MMORPG's now have some half decent ideas about ways those games since then could work to create a better expereince in Diablo.
Coming from someone who bought Warcraft, WC2, WC2 Bnet Edition, Diablo 1 / 2 & WoW......there are a lot of elements of WoW that could work very well in Diablo, but if I were to explain these on a forum Im sure people would call me a 13 year old scrub who's never played a blizzard product in her life.
Stuff i'd like to see *AS OPTIONAL CONTENT*:
Grinding factions for item enhancements/special gems
Mobs that drop purely cosmetic changing items(ie: ones that turn you into a demon or something similar on click)
Random world bosses you cant kill without gearing up a specific set of equipment(ie: must have at least one party member have full defence items/skills/runes/gems to tank it while the others dps)
And i could go on, but I bet that kind of optional content would just annoy people for being there in the first place coz people feel if they have to work for something its not fair
As with all internet forums, you mostly hear from the people who come on to bitch and complain. I'd say that the vast majority of players are excited to finally be able to play the game after all this time. They like the skill/rune system. They think the graphics look good. They don't give a rat's ass about the RMAH fees. But you know what? They don't post about it on the forums.
It's the same way when a new game is released and you read the tech support forum. All you see are all of the problems that 2% of the players are having. The other 98% are enjoying their new game and not posting about it online. So that 2% just LOOKS like 100%.
You know...I'm a true Diablo fan. Been waiting 10+ years for D3. However...staying off this forum (I'm new) does not make me a fan or not. I just don't need a pat on the back to remind me I am a fan. Why? Because I AM and no one can convince me I am or convince me I'm not.
A true Diablo fan will never be put off all the crap most of the people on here bitch about.
Internet connection?
Sure, I didn't have one... so... I GOT ONE Money?
Was a bit tight..made a plan and got the CE Free time?
Made sure I have some, or A LOT RMAH?
Pfft, didn't need it before and won't need it now
The only thing that will make me HATE D3 is the storyline - if it sucks I will toss it in the fire and watch it burn and I will WRITE my own Diablo 3 - story wise.
The only thing they can screw up in my opinion is the story.
I don't care about the RMAH, I don't care about anything except the storyline.
Pretty much this for me as well.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Or maybe they stay off these forums. I may be wrong but after being on this site for a couple of years and playing the beta since January, it feels like there are ALOT of WOW ans SC2 players and new diablo players buzzing around d3, in-game and out. There's nothing wrong with that but most of the complaints about D3 come from them. I keep seeing questions and topics being made and thinking to myself "Really? Have they even played D2?". I remember back in the day when people were drooling over just to get a Bonesnap Maul for their barb and when Magic Arrow was a nuclear bomb. has Diablo lost fans?
I grew up playing D2/SC and hate WoW because it's a boring themepark where nothing interesting ever happens and you have no control over the game-world (something important in an MMO).
I consider a game like EVE or ShadowBane a good MMO, where players are left o create emergent game-play and it's ruthless and harsh.
SO I'm not a big Blizz fan really, but the two games were the two most prominent PC games of their day, and their extended financial success and talent farming has resulted in SCII being really, really great. D3 will also be really, really great.
As far as I am concerned Diablo and Starcraft are the best games of their genres and in that way they stand part-and-parcel as must-haves on any game PC.
I'm 38 and have been hooked on the Diablo series since its trailer on WC2. Some people have played it more, gotten better items, but I still loved both of the first 2 games. To be honest, I don't play video games like I once did. D3 will be my only game to play when it comes out. Last game I bought was Mafia 2 and I was really disappointed in it. THe original Mafia was better. The only thing the new game had better was graphics.
I made the closed beta in the last wave of invites they had, and I tell you, I loved it. These people who have complained about this and that about D3, wouldn't be satisified if someone dropped a gold nugget into their hands, instead requesting a larger gold nugget. Sure, I wish PvP was with release, sure the chat needs work, sure I wish MF sharing system was slightly tweeked, but none of these are gamebreaking issues to me. The game plays great, it looks great, its great fun. I am very happy with D3 so far.
1.) You want optional grinding that gives players a unique advantage. WTF does this even mean?
2.) This is a game that can be played solo. There is no role acquisition. There is no tank, healer, dps. There are characters that will do all three.
3.) Cosmetics? WTF? The cosmetics are the items. You're not anything but the character you chose wearing armor. Shove off with your goonish foolery. This is NOT AN MMO.
Blizz has specifically renounced100% immunities for this exact reason.
You know...I'm a true Diablo fan. Been waiting 10+ years for D3. However...staying off this forum (I'm new) does not make me a fan or not. I just don't need a pat on the back to remind me I am a fan. Why? Because I AM and no one can convince me I am or convince me I'm not.
A true Diablo fan will never be put off all the crap most of the people on here bitch about.
Internet connection?
Sure, I didn't have one... so... I GOT ONE Money?
Was a bit tight..made a plan and got the CE Free time?
Made sure I have some, or A LOT RMAH?
Pfft, didn't need it before and won't need it now
The only thing that will make me HATE D3 is the storyline - if it sucks I will toss it in the fire and watch it burn and I will WRITE my own Diablo 3 - story wise.
The only thing they can screw up in my opinion is the story.
I don't care about the RMAH, I don't care about anything except the storyline.
Agree with everything you said, also consider myself a Diablo fan. anyone that is whining saying they are not getting the game for whatever reason can't really consider themselves a fan. As for the forums i'm sure people have their own reasons.
there are a couple of things that bother me, not being able to play when the internet is down is a bother and having to play under latency even solo is going to suck. RMAh i think is a good idea, better than a subscription service and both RMAH and Online Connection required are both to tighten Blizzards controls over their property and if that makes them constant cash to support the game better for longer then everyone wins right?
Most of the complaints are essentially about why is Diablo 3 not like another title, now if you know Blizzard they have always done stuff their own way and you have to trust they know a good product before they ship it.
As for the story it's looking awesome, already a step ahead of Diablo 2 by the looks, certainly the videos are more engrossing... fingers crossed though.
that's just it, they would have lost all of the purists, but they really should stick with Diablo 2 if they want what they are asking for.
One thing that interests me is how many people are playing a diablo title for the first time, seems a lot of first timers will be coming accross from WOW by the looks of things, once again while their overcomplicated play styles might baffle me, bigger audience + bigger money = more game support. so i'm all for that.
Except I don't like donuts, I'd replace that with some or other form of alcohol or anything that actually helps pass the time. Sleeping tablets perhaps :/
But altogether, not bothered much. I'm expecting down times and server crashes and basically everything that can be bad. At least then when everything works smoothly I'll be surprised. ^^
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And who is a "real Diablo fan"? Sounds like a retarded concept to me.
Anybody who wants to play is a fan of Diablo. If there are a bunch of idiots out there that stopped following Diablo 3 because they perceive it to be a WoW cloan, good riddance. It means less dumb people for me to play with overall.
And for the record, I've played Diablo on and off since the original Diablo 1 beta (yes I was in it) and don't consider myself any better than anybody who picked it up from a WoW Annual Pass for the first time. I mean who cares.
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It's also true how these forums were as well as many people have come and gone for a long time and there are very few really old members left.
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I'm 33, I played D1 and D2, and I can't wait to play D3.
I really love what they made with their new game design, and they gave enough explanations about them, too bad some people can't think about it.
Very true. It's all about change, and how people can't stand it, at least not at first. And I get it - their first thought when diablo is mentioned is D1 or D2, so introducing practically everything except the isometric view and the storyline as different offsets them. I just wish they would stick around and listen to WHY the devs would change this, or add that, ect.
It's going to be a life-killer, this game. And when I'm old and dying, I'll look back and smile on playing D3 =)
This isn't a series where the last game came out 5 years ago and people are dying for a sequel. This is a series that hasn't been done in quite some time and you're gonna have a lot of completely new people that are interested in playing. Again we're here, just prolly not as prevelant as the newer people.
A lot of us grew up and when Diablo 2 came out there was no competition and we loved every aspect of it because we had nothing to compare it to.
Sort of like of a dude saw a horse & cart for the first time he would think its RAD! But 10 years later when his mates are driving cars around that horse & cart although was rad at the time, doesnt quite cut it anymore.
Frankly people who have played good MMO's & yes even MMORPG's now have some half decent ideas about ways those games since then could work to create a better expereince in Diablo.
Coming from someone who bought Warcraft, WC2, WC2 Bnet Edition, Diablo 1 / 2 & WoW......there are a lot of elements of WoW that could work very well in Diablo, but if I were to explain these on a forum Im sure people would call me a 13 year old scrub who's never played a blizzard product in her life.
Stuff i'd like to see *AS OPTIONAL CONTENT*:
Grinding factions for item enhancements/special gems
Mobs that drop purely cosmetic changing items(ie: ones that turn you into a demon or something similar on click)
Random world bosses you cant kill without gearing up a specific set of equipment(ie: must have at least one party member have full defence items/skills/runes/gems to tank it while the others dps)
And i could go on, but I bet that kind of optional content would just annoy people for being there in the first place coz people feel if they have to work for something its not fair
If not, their loss. If the beta was any indication, this will be a fun game to play.
It's the same way when a new game is released and you read the tech support forum. All you see are all of the problems that 2% of the players are having. The other 98% are enjoying their new game and not posting about it online. So that 2% just LOOKS like 100%.
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
I grew up playing D2/SC and hate WoW because it's a boring themepark where nothing interesting ever happens and you have no control over the game-world (something important in an MMO).
I consider a game like EVE or ShadowBane a good MMO, where players are left o create emergent game-play and it's ruthless and harsh.
SO I'm not a big Blizz fan really, but the two games were the two most prominent PC games of their day, and their extended financial success and talent farming has resulted in SCII being really, really great. D3 will also be really, really great.
As far as I am concerned Diablo and Starcraft are the best games of their genres and in that way they stand part-and-parcel as must-haves on any game PC.
I made the closed beta in the last wave of invites they had, and I tell you, I loved it. These people who have complained about this and that about D3, wouldn't be satisified if someone dropped a gold nugget into their hands, instead requesting a larger gold nugget. Sure, I wish PvP was with release, sure the chat needs work, sure I wish MF sharing system was slightly tweeked, but none of these are gamebreaking issues to me. The game plays great, it looks great, its great fun. I am very happy with D3 so far.
1.) You want optional grinding that gives players a unique advantage. WTF does this even mean?
2.) This is a game that can be played solo. There is no role acquisition. There is no tank, healer, dps. There are characters that will do all three.
3.) Cosmetics? WTF? The cosmetics are the items. You're not anything but the character you chose wearing armor. Shove off with your goonish foolery. This is NOT AN MMO.
Blizz has specifically renounced100% immunities for this exact reason.
Agree with everything you said, also consider myself a Diablo fan. anyone that is whining saying they are not getting the game for whatever reason can't really consider themselves a fan. As for the forums i'm sure people have their own reasons.
there are a couple of things that bother me, not being able to play when the internet is down is a bother and having to play under latency even solo is going to suck. RMAh i think is a good idea, better than a subscription service and both RMAH and Online Connection required are both to tighten Blizzards controls over their property and if that makes them constant cash to support the game better for longer then everyone wins right?
Most of the complaints are essentially about why is Diablo 3 not like another title, now if you know Blizzard they have always done stuff their own way and you have to trust they know a good product before they ship it.
As for the story it's looking awesome, already a step ahead of Diablo 2 by the looks, certainly the videos are more engrossing... fingers crossed though.
that's just it, they would have lost all of the purists, but they really should stick with Diablo 2 if they want what they are asking for.
One thing that interests me is how many people are playing a diablo title for the first time, seems a lot of first timers will be coming accross from WOW by the looks of things, once again while their overcomplicated play styles might baffle me, bigger audience + bigger money = more game support. so i'm all for that.
However, if the internet is down. As a general rule since I got it, I'm like this: http://975koolfm.com/files/2012/02/Internet-down.jpg
Except I don't like donuts, I'd replace that with some or other form of alcohol or anything that actually helps pass the time. Sleeping tablets perhaps :/
But altogether, not bothered much. I'm expecting down times and server crashes and basically everything that can be bad. At least then when everything works smoothly I'll be surprised. ^^