Just posted this on Reddit because there are multiple "what's the next meta" threads every day. But I thought I'd post this here as well. As the title says, I compare the "final meta" by the end of PTR to that by the end of the respective season.
Season 1
PTR: Tiklandian WD, Serenity monk, cold DH, fire DH
PTR: Pull barb, support monk, support WD, Twister Tal Rasha wizard
Final: Pull barb, support monk, support WD, Twister+Archon Tal+Vyr wizard
(All of this is just from memory, so there might be small mistakes, please point out if you find any)
The correct DPS class combination was predicted two times: S1 and S6. NEVER was the correct top DPS spec publicly known by the end of PTR!
The correct support class combination was predicted three times: S2, S3, and S6. Note that those were the seasons in which the support classes stayed the same as in the previous one; NEVER was a *change* in support classes completely predicted by PTR leaderboards.
I hope this sheds some light on how utterly useless it is to look at PTR leaderboards. Also, there has literally been zero testing on high level GRs on PTR; all the top players who have the knowledge and ability to pull off even semi-accurate meta predictions that could top PTR leaderboards are *pushing on live*. So please stop asking "WHAT IS THE S7 META". You might as well ask if we're gonna have snow on Christmas and get more accurate "predictions" now.
PTR leaderboards are not useless. It is the only thing that shows "broken" builds and such. You know it.
Of course PTR leaderboards are useful for exactly that, but every "OP build" has never been on the PTR leaderboards (or too late). I'm just saying "PTR leaderboards are useless" when it comes to meta prediction, which is all that this thread is about. People are looking at PTR leaderboards and inferring from that what the S7 meta will be. As my analysis highlights, absolutely never has that given the right answers. Even if the class and spec is the same, the playstyle might change. Remember people looking at the S5 PTR seeing wizards on top; but if they had known that it meant hugging a wall I'm sure many might have reconsidered.
S7 is the "season we have to have" - maybe. Which may result in many people doing what I am thinking of doing- not playing at all or perhaps just getting the tab- mebbe on a WD. I prefer NS but I recon it will be very dead this season which mean seasons if u wanna keep playing... hhmm
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"Age and treachery will always defeat youthfulness and zeal..."
Wizz nerf = meta GR clears way down and that effects all meta players- i welcome a change that brings 2-4 dps back - this isn't WoW- but guys clearing maybe 10 GR's lower will put ppl off. Even if Wizz was #1 dps i would be playing a WD next time- over tyhe past 5 mths personally.
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"Age and treachery will always defeat youthfulness and zeal..."
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Just posted this on Reddit because there are multiple "what's the next meta" threads every day. But I thought I'd post this here as well. As the title says, I compare the "final meta" by the end of PTR to that by the end of the respective season.
(All of this is just from memory, so there might be small mistakes, please point out if you find any)
The correct DPS class combination was predicted two times: S1 and S6. NEVER was the correct top DPS spec publicly known by the end of PTR!
The correct support class combination was predicted three times: S2, S3, and S6. Note that those were the seasons in which the support classes stayed the same as in the previous one; NEVER was a *change* in support classes completely predicted by PTR leaderboards.
I hope this sheds some light on how utterly useless it is to look at PTR leaderboards. Also, there has literally been zero testing on high level GRs on PTR; all the top players who have the knowledge and ability to pull off even semi-accurate meta predictions that could top PTR leaderboards are *pushing on live*. So please stop asking "WHAT IS THE S7 META". You might as well ask if we're gonna have snow on Christmas and get more accurate "predictions" now.
PTR leaderboards are not useless. It is the only thing that shows "broken" builds and such. You know it.
Also, this PTR, WDs are very very active. I don't know why really, but people actually testing things in and out this time.
Al the other classes are not acrtive at all. Some monks pushed really high GRs but that's it.
Others just not interested in testing because raekor was nerfed, twisters/fb nerfed, crusader almost unchanged, DH same.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
S7 is the "season we have to have" - maybe. Which may result in many people doing what I am thinking of doing- not playing at all or perhaps just getting the tab- mebbe on a WD. I prefer NS but I recon it will be very dead this season which mean seasons if u wanna keep playing... hhmm
"Age and treachery will always defeat youthfulness and zeal..."
a Wizard can be expected to feel that way, not everyone was nerfed
...but it does look like a dumb move to reduce the 'power'
non-season just as nerfed....
stick around for the fireworks as the clones discover what you are talking about!
Wizz nerf = meta GR clears way down and that effects all meta players- i welcome a change that brings 2-4 dps back - this isn't WoW- but guys clearing maybe 10 GR's lower will put ppl off. Even if Wizz was #1 dps i would be playing a WD next time- over tyhe past 5 mths personally.
"Age and treachery will always defeat youthfulness and zeal..."