THUD got hacked and is now disabled? Source: i have read it on their forums - there is only 1 thread available there at the moment.
It will be interesting to see how the LB competitions progress now till the end of the season :).
Or if the players find a new "pizza" .
EDIT: Actually it's their forums that got hacked and were completely deleted (no threads, manuals, tips, nothing, empty forum), but apparentely the owner and creator of the program decided to shut down the whole project and set the program to an impossible high version number, thus disabling it remotely.
Best news since the banwaves Hopefully the creator of that cheat keeps it down this time.
It's kind of like botting.
i.e. Do you really think someone who greatly enjoyed THUD and is knowledgeable about such things (remember their support forums was full of users helping other users with requests, it's not all by the creator) won't just make a new version? I'd be surprised if we don't have THUD or something like THUD by next season if not in a week or two, since as Filth mentioned, the creator is a bit of a drama queen who overreacts and claims it's the end of THUD only to be working on it again a few days later
If this is the best news that you have seen since banwaves or anything else d3 related, you should probably get out and do some life things. Getting excited about THUD going down for a day is the same as getting excited about hugging your mom. There is more to life than just Diable and zomg leaderboards that honestly mean nothing since it has more to do with the rng that blizz provides than the actual skill the players bring.
I'm gonna try my best to NOT derail this into a mortality issue, but please show a little more credit and appreciation towards THUD's author. What that program does is not easy at all and requires a lot of dedication and man hours. Shouting "YES IM SO GLAD HE FAILED HAHAHA!" is very disrespectful to someone's work, regardless of the morality of that work.
Well i wouldn't call that pathetic. It would call it a little piece of realism. Not sure how big the percentage of the Thud users is in numbers in the game, but i would guess that almost the first ~350 Places in group play might use it. That means 2800 Players compare to the 4 man rifts in the actual season/era.
Just to bring up some numbers. Of course the "competition" will be more balanced now if nobody is using this cheat, but it might be already to late for this era/season. Some of them might stay some of them might leave we will see.
the leaderboards do not represent the playerbase. If all 1000 players of all leaderboards quit the game, it would still have a big playerbase... What you say is basically a "the game is dead when the upper 1% leave"
Game might get kinda boring if all the top players with all the knowledge just drops out. Its already fking bad on the public theorycraft front, all is kept behind closed doors.
Id guess that 90% of groups on leaderboard use said program. And its not limited to the top, you will find <p800 players in communities that use it.
For most its not cheating, its fixing a stupid UI in a singleplayer.
Also its working again, just need to add one line in hostfile x)
The code is out there (even if its obfuscated), players with the right connections will always have someting like this working.
Top clans might even have their own stuff thats better.
Gaming in 2016, the team with best coders wins.
I don't see why people feel so inclined to play a game in a way other than the developers intended it. Violating tos is pretty much asking for a ban and to me that just doesn't seem worth it. Not really much of a competition when someone is using something to gain an advantage over someone who is playing the way things were intended. With that be said Blizz has allowed mods in other games. it really should be up to blizz to decide if they are ok with mods. it is intellectual property owned by blizzard after all not turbohud or anyone else.
There are indeed different kinds of cheats and cheaters. But most of them are admitting that they cheat and willingly take the risk.
But the Thudders deny this, they justify it (mostly to themself) and are not willing to see it from any other point of view.
Its not that any legit player do not understand the cheaters desire to use such programs.
This is just like when a couple from cloud9 got caught using aimbot/wallhacks in the OW beta finals, it "only" made their "skill or game" better.
That a widespread cheat like THUD gets stopped this way is only adding some more integrity to the game.
How developing the most rampant cheat has affected his real life (KJ), is just the results of his own choice. He decided to go hack diablo3 to develop a cheat tool, so he more than deserve every flame or sleepless night he got for it.
I've used THUD in the past, coming from wow where you have addons like weakauras to display whatever info you need, I very much preferred all the data on-screen over the vague indications the vanilla UI has. The recent banwaves have spooked me a little so I don't find it worth the risk to use it any more
My question to you guys; If THUD scrapped the maphack and just had the improved UI would you be OK with people using it?
Its kind of part of the difficulty in d3, knowing your buffs and cooldowns.
First, what Shinna said regarding news management, opinions and feedback for the staff. We're always open to reasonable feedback/criticism, and even when it's not directed at us (aka random forum posts) we still keep track of them.
Second, our moderators are allowed to have their own opinions. It would be unreal to demand people to change their opinions to become forum mods. Also, imho people are misreading what he said (like hard). From what I could understand, he said the impact (to the playerbase) of not having THUD would be considerable, and that not having it come back in some manner would increase the chances of people not playing anymore. Even if he said "I use THud and would prefer if everyone did", he would still be within his right of having a personal opinion.
Third, there were a ton of long winded and complex discussions about whether or not said tool hurts the game in the past. A lot of controversial arguments, and the community seemed to be very divided. Lots of players supported some THud features, but mostagreed that the "maphack" aspect of it hurt the competitive part of D3 (even though some people really defended that too). In the end, in most discussions, people were divided about whether or not it could even be considered cheating.
If he had said something like "DiabloFans condones and incentivizes the use of THud" then I'd agree we would have a problem. Heck, if I said something remotely similar to that (specially on news) it could send the wrong message, but as a voluntary moderator posting his opinion on the forums, I don't think it's a big issue.
Feel free to PM me if you need any further clarification on this subject. I'd rather not discuss it on this thread in order to not derail it further. Thanks for understanding.
I've used THUD in the past, coming from wow where you have addons like weakauras to display whatever info you need, I very much preferred all the data on-screen over the vague indications the vanilla UI has. The recent banwaves have spooked me a little so I don't find it worth the risk to use it any more
My question to you guys; If THUD scrapped the maphack and just had the improved UI would you be OK with people using it?
I have the same WoW-background and coming from that, the D3 UI is nothing short of an insult. Creating a fake challenge by hiding information is plain ridiculous.
However I do not use THUD. I'd love the UI improvements/fixes but I just can't get myself to cheat. And it's not just the map hack. Sure that's the main offender and the rest should probably be fine, but as long as Blizz doesn't allow it, it's an unfair advantage vs players who respect the -however stupid- rules.
THUD got hacked and is now disabled? Source: i have read it on their forums - there is only 1 thread available there at the moment.
It will be interesting to see how the LB competitions progress now till the end of the season :).
Or if the players find a new "pizza"
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EDIT: Actually it's their forums that got hacked and were completely deleted (no threads, manuals, tips, nothing, empty forum), but apparentely the owner and creator of the program decided to shut down the whole project and set the program to an impossible high version number, thus disabling it remotely.
Best news since the banwaves
Hopefully the creator of that cheat keeps it down this time.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
Justice
i.e. Do you really think someone who greatly enjoyed THUD and is knowledgeable about such things (remember their support forums was full of users helping other users with requests, it's not all by the creator) won't just make a new version? I'd be surprised if we don't have THUD or something like THUD by next season if not in a week or two, since as Filth mentioned, the creator is a bit of a drama queen who overreacts and claims it's the end of THUD only to be working on it again a few days later
If this is the best news that you have seen since banwaves or anything else d3 related, you should probably get out and do some life things. Getting excited about THUD going down for a day is the same as getting excited about hugging your mom. There is more to life than just Diable and zomg leaderboards that honestly mean nothing since it has more to do with the rng that blizz provides than the actual skill the players bring.
I'm gonna try my best to NOT derail this into a mortality issue, but please show a little more credit and appreciation towards THUD's author. What that program does is not easy at all and requires a lot of dedication and man hours. Shouting "YES IM SO GLAD HE FAILED HAHAHA!" is very disrespectful to someone's work, regardless of the morality of that work.
Id guess that 90% of groups on leaderboard use said program. And its not limited to the top, you will find <p800 players in communities that use it.
For most its not cheating, its fixing a stupid UI in a singleplayer.
Also its working again, just need to add one line in hostfile x)
The code is out there (even if its obfuscated), players with the right connections will always have someting like this working.
Top clans might even have their own stuff thats better.
Gaming in 2016, the team with best coders wins.
Wanna hear a joke? D3 and player skills, kek.
I don't care how many thud users are there. Even if 99%. The more banwaves the better. The less cheating tools the more healthy the competition is.
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https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
Fish maps 100x and you get that easy mode rift.
I don't see why people feel so inclined to play a game in a way other than the developers intended it. Violating tos is pretty much asking for a ban and to me that just doesn't seem worth it. Not really much of a competition when someone is using something to gain an advantage over someone who is playing the way things were intended. With that be said Blizz has allowed mods in other games. it really should be up to blizz to decide if they are ok with mods. it is intellectual property owned by blizzard after all not turbohud or anyone else.
Not all those who wander are lost.
There are indeed different kinds of cheats and cheaters. But most of them are admitting that they cheat and willingly take the risk.
But the Thudders deny this, they justify it (mostly to themself) and are not willing to see it from any other point of view.
Its not that any legit player do not understand the cheaters desire to use such programs.
This is just like when a couple from cloud9 got caught using aimbot/wallhacks in the OW beta finals, it "only" made their "skill or game" better.
That a widespread cheat like THUD gets stopped this way is only adding some more integrity to the game.
How developing the most rampant cheat has affected his real life (KJ), is just the results of his own choice. He decided to go hack diablo3 to develop a cheat tool, so he more than deserve every flame or sleepless night he got for it.
Nope, any program manipulating the game is a cheat, regardless of the users preferance of calling it UI modifications or addons.
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Wise ElderFirst, what Shinna said regarding news management, opinions and feedback for the staff. We're always open to reasonable feedback/criticism, and even when it's not directed at us (aka random forum posts) we still keep track of them.
Second, our moderators are allowed to have their own opinions. It would be unreal to demand people to change their opinions to become forum mods. Also, imho people are misreading what he said (like hard). From what I could understand, he said the impact (to the playerbase) of not having THUD would be considerable, and that not having it come back in some manner would increase the chances of people not playing anymore. Even if he said "I use THud and would prefer if everyone did", he would still be within his right of having a personal opinion.
Third, there were a ton of long winded and complex discussions about whether or not said tool hurts the game in the past. A lot of controversial arguments, and the community seemed to be very divided. Lots of players supported some THud features, but most agreed that the "maphack" aspect of it hurt the competitive part of D3 (even though some people really defended that too). In the end, in most discussions, people were divided about whether or not it could even be considered cheating.
If he had said something like "DiabloFans condones and incentivizes the use of THud" then I'd agree we would have a problem. Heck, if I said something remotely similar to that (specially on news) it could send the wrong message, but as a voluntary moderator posting his opinion on the forums, I don't think it's a big issue.
Feel free to PM me if you need any further clarification on this subject. I'd rather not discuss it on this thread in order to not derail it further. Thanks for understanding.
I have the same WoW-background and coming from that, the D3 UI is nothing short of an insult. Creating a fake challenge by hiding information is plain ridiculous.
However I do not use THUD. I'd love the UI improvements/fixes but I just can't get myself to cheat. And it's not just the map hack. Sure that's the main offender and the rest should probably be fine, but as long as Blizz doesn't allow it, it's an unfair advantage vs players who respect the -however stupid- rules.
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