it is in the terms of service report that you all agree to when you play the game.
And that is the point... you have to agree to those terms. When you don't, you can't play.
We have different Laws in Germany. Legal Contracts have to be made by BOTH partys.
Forced Contracts like this are against the Law, they dont hold ground in any Court here.
If you wanted to cheat in that other game with a clicker, how were you even able to play Diablo?
Wouldn't it have clicked like crazy everywhere you pointed your cursor?
So since you can't even play Diablo when you have that running, why would you have Diablo running?
Sounds to me like you were botting and trying to use a stupid excuse for it.
... sounds just like steroid using athletes ... I never used a cheat program, and if I did, I don't know how it got on my computer ...
As much as i hate hackers and cheaters myself. I do know for a fact that you get false positives from time to time and everytime someone post it on the forum everyone jumps straight on the "you are a filthy lier" bandwagon. And do you know how frustrating that is ?
I even know of a person who got his ban revoked from steams vac. And that is not something you see often. Hardly ever.
I do also talk from experience. I logged in for a raid in wow once. I was shocked to see that i had been banned. Since i have never used anything or done anything that warrants a ban. (wheter you believe me or not is up to you. I know the answer) It said in the ban mail that i had been exploiting the economy. I asked on the mmo-champion forum what the hell was going on since i seriously did not know. I told them everything. Yet, i got the there is something you are not telling us and you botted and got caught and the usual crap. There was one person who simply to call blizzard, so i did.
After 20 min my account was unbanned. It was their automatic ban system that had banned me. He said that it caught something fishy in the mailbox ingame. And that was about 100-150 stacks of herbs i got while leveling herbalism on my alt dk. Those herbs i sent to my other alt which had inscription. Thats all i did. Nothing illegal, no programs used. Nothing. I was wrongfully banned and my account was restored with an appology from the blizzard rep i talked to. Yet. Not one person on the forum believed me. Everyone accused me of being a filthy liar and a cheater.
You also need to keep in mind that most people who cheat and bot willingly. They know why they are banned and are not making a big fuss out of it. Some, sure. But many just cope with their loss and start cheating on a new account.
So next time someone say they didn't do it. Don't instantly judge them. They may actualy speak the truth. Or they may just be stupid and thing that complaining on a random forum will get them unbanned.
... sounds just like steroid using athletes ... I never used a cheat program, and if I did, I don't know how it got on my computer ...
As much as i hate hackers and cheaters myself. I do know for a fact that you get false positives from time to time and everytime someone post it on the forum everyone jumps straight on the "you are a filthy lier" bandwagon. And do you know how frustrating that is ?
I even know of a person who got his ban revoked from steams vac. And that is not something you see often. Hardly ever.
I do also talk from experience. I logged in for a raid in wow once. I was shocked to see that i had been banned. Since i have never used anything or done anything that warrants a ban. (wheter you believe me or not is up to you. I know the answer) It said in the ban mail that i had been exploiting the economy. I asked on the mmo-champion forum what the hell was going on since i seriously did not know. I told them everything. Yet, i got the there is something you are not telling us and you botted and got caught and the usual crap. There was one person who simply to call blizzard, so i did.
After 20 min my account was unbanned. It was their automatic ban system that had banned me. He said that it caught something fishy in the mailbox ingame. And that was about 100-150 stacks of herbs i got while leveling herbalism on my alt dk. Those herbs i sent to my other alt which had inscription. Thats all i did. Nothing illegal, no programs used. Nothing. I was wrongfully banned and my account was restored with an appology from the blizzard rep i talked to. Yet. Not one person on the forum believed me. Everyone accused me of being a filthy liar and a cheater.
You also need to keep in mind that most people who cheat and bot willingly. They know why they are banned and are not making a big fuss out of it. Some, sure. But many just cope with their loss and start cheating on a new account.
So next time someone say they didn't do it. Don't instantly judge them. They may actualy speak the truth. Or they may just be stupid and thing that complaining on a random forum will get them unbanned.
Some false positives means that, empirically, most people who have been banned deserved it. That is why they are treated that way. But at the end of the day, it's really irrelevant, as you say at the end. If he's innocent he needs to deal with it with Blizzard. If he isn't, he needs to get over it and learn a lesson. Neither one is furthered by posting here.
I swear to my father's memory I've never botted or cheated in any blizzard games ever.
I read the ToU again and again they use the term " a Game" when they are referring to their products which is vague and I am sure I never used any bot or software that reads alters or tampers with a Game developed by blizzard.
The funny thing is that I received the aforementioned email when I was not even playing d3 for days (aprli 9) and I thought it was spam because they didn't address me by my first name as blizzard policy. Now that I am done with dark souls 3 and I wanted to collect my seasonal items I realized that its real.
The whole thing feels like a bad joke or like last sweeps after their real ban waves are over and I will pursue this legally.
Rofl, you are pretty naive if you think you can lawyer up against Blizzard, let alone due to the fact they banned an account. They can pretty much do whatever the hell they want with the game, close your account, remove your favourite hero etc.
You can even lawyer up for a stolen Lollypop... what makes you believe its different for a game you paid for?
A mindset like yours is the reason why nobody goes on the street to protest against Mass surveillance / NSA etc
@xenocow: There is no forced ToS. You agree to it willingly when clicking accept. It has held up in german courts, it will hold up in german courts because terms of service exist with just about everything.
You say you can't compare apples and pears, yet you use a facebook example which deals with personal data transfer to a foreign country. Apple =/= pear.
If you google german bots in world of warcraft, you can see blizzard has won these cases before, and will keep winning these cases because the ToS holds up. There's nothing in the ToS with regards to bots that interferes with german laws, so you're wrong here.
If the ToS said we will keep your private info on an insecure server in the US there would be a case for that, but even then it wouldn't change the part of the ToS that says you can't bot. In ToS court cases in germany and most european countries, you cannot invalidate a ToS in its entirety like you think, you have to pick it part by part.
For reference, you can go on any german online game developers website and compare their ToS with blizzards. I would suggest Cipsoft GmbH since they've been on the scene for well over 15 years. Maybe you can educate yourself on your own countries' ToS laws like that.
The I PAID FOR IT part is just a dumb statement, I'll leave it as it is.
Honestly, the methods used by Big Game Companys are plain harassment.
And i am just waiting for the glorious day someone with the right amount of cash in the bank lawyers up against this chicane.
The ToS they hide behinde don't hold up in Legal Court. Not for a second (at least here in germany).
It just needs someone with the right Balls to stand up against this Shenanigans...
When you violate a traffic law, you get fined... you maybe get your licence revoked. But you get a chance to redeem yourself.
Not so in the Big World of Videogames.... The Companys play God.
Like Nero in the Coliseum in Rome.... Thumb up / Thumb down. Off with the Head.
Did you just call them Big Game Company? Like. ...like Big Tobacco? Or Big Oil?
I swear, you people and your righteous indignation against anybody who makes money. Blows my mind.
it is in the terms of service report that you all agree to when you play the game.
And that is the point... you have to agree to those terms. When you don't, you can't play.
We have different Laws in Germany. Legal Contracts have to be made by BOTH partys.
Forced Contracts like this are against the Law, they dont hold ground in any Court here.
Well, the sticking point by law is that you do not HAVE TO SIGN anything. It is a choice you make, and an agreement you make, in order to play the game. You can pass on playing the game.
Not saying I agree, but that is a two way contract when a choice is made by two sides.
Interesting info that you shared below about Facebook, but as far as I know those cases were appealed and reversed, will have to read further on them.
wtf can I do? They closed my d3 account and my appeal without even telling me what I did.
I know I did nothing with diablo never botted or used any mods and as I told them the only thing that can relate is that I often ran in the background the Crusaders of the Lost Idols game with a simple autoclicker script.
Nothing to do with diablo WTH is this!
"Account Action: Account Closure
Offense: Use of Third-Party Automation Software (also known as bots)"
"While I definitely understand the frustration in this matter, we can assure you that a very thorough investigation was completed on this account. Even after an additional review, we have still concluded that we will be standing by our decision on this account and the action will not be removed under any circumstances. "
So you where cheating in another game, but not in diablo? aaaah, i get it..
wtf can I do? They closed my d3 account and my appeal without even telling me what I did.
I know I did nothing with diablo never botted or used any mods and as I told them the only thing that can relate is that I often ran in the background the Crusaders of the Lost Idols game with a simple autoclicker script.
Nothing to do with diablo WTH is this!
"Account Action: Account Closure
Offense: Use of Third-Party Automation Software (also known as bots)"
"While I definitely understand the frustration in this matter, we can assure you that a very thorough investigation was completed on this account. Even after an additional review, we have still concluded that we will be standing by our decision on this account and the action will not be removed under any circumstances. "
That was a basic form letter that went out. Accounts were closed for botting, THUD, and D3H, or the use of any 3rd party programs. It also banned accounts for any automation scripts like AHK or using macros to do more than one action per click. I believe the latter refers to the OP. There is no appeal or 2nd chance. The only way you can return is to buy a new account and start over again while following the end user agreement. EVERYONE got the same letter!
this guy is lying, the only way blizzard detects anything is which programs are attached to their games. you can run what ever you want in the background as long as you dont use it on their games, he is just trying to get people on his side for no reason but he did something to get himself banned. Blizzard doesnt scan your processes so there is no way they can tell what you do to OTHER games. On a side note who the fuck cares about losing a diablo account? it isnt WoW or soemthing you have 40 characters and 300 mounts on. buy another and pwr lvl up and tadaaa your right back in it.
You were cheating one game, so what's to make anyone believe you also weren't cheating in Diablo?
And that is the point... you have to agree to those terms. When you don't, you can't play.
We have different Laws in Germany. Legal Contracts have to be made by BOTH partys.
Forced Contracts like this are against the Law, they dont hold ground in any Court here.
We had several Lawsuits against Facebook already in Europe (ToS related) successful in court.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/97276/20151020/max-schrems-european-law-student-is-winning-against-facebook-in-a-data-privacy-case.htm
If you wanted to cheat in that other game with a clicker, how were you even able to play Diablo?
Wouldn't it have clicked like crazy everywhere you pointed your cursor?
So since you can't even play Diablo when you have that running, why would you have Diablo running?
Sounds to me like you were botting and trying to use a stupid excuse for it.
I even know of a person who got his ban revoked from steams vac. And that is not something you see often. Hardly ever.
I do also talk from experience. I logged in for a raid in wow once. I was shocked to see that i had been banned. Since i have never used anything or done anything that warrants a ban. (wheter you believe me or not is up to you. I know the answer) It said in the ban mail that i had been exploiting the economy. I asked on the mmo-champion forum what the hell was going on since i seriously did not know. I told them everything. Yet, i got the there is something you are not telling us and you botted and got caught and the usual crap. There was one person who simply to call blizzard, so i did.
After 20 min my account was unbanned. It was their automatic ban system that had banned me. He said that it caught something fishy in the mailbox ingame. And that was about 100-150 stacks of herbs i got while leveling herbalism on my alt dk. Those herbs i sent to my other alt which had inscription. Thats all i did. Nothing illegal, no programs used. Nothing. I was wrongfully banned and my account was restored with an appology from the blizzard rep i talked to. Yet. Not one person on the forum believed me. Everyone accused me of being a filthy liar and a cheater.
You also need to keep in mind that most people who cheat and bot willingly. They know why they are banned and are not making a big fuss out of it. Some, sure. But many just cope with their loss and start cheating on a new account.
So next time someone say they didn't do it. Don't instantly judge them. They may actualy speak the truth. Or they may just be stupid and thing that complaining on a random forum will get them unbanned.
I swear to my father's memory I've never botted or cheated in any blizzard games ever.
I read the ToU again and again they use the term " a Game" when they are referring to their products which is vague and I am sure I never used any bot or software that reads alters or tampers with a Game developed by blizzard.
The funny thing is that I received the aforementioned email when I was not even playing d3 for days (aprli 9) and I thought it was spam because they didn't address me by my first name as blizzard policy. Now that I am done with dark souls 3 and I wanted to collect my seasonal items I realized that its real.
The whole thing feels like a bad joke or like last sweeps after their real ban waves are over and I will pursue this legally.
A mindset like yours is the reason why nobody goes on the street to protest against Mass surveillance / NSA etc
Where is the rebelliousness?
Eh. I got banned. And i used nothing this season! (C) gabynator.
These salty tears of cheaters.
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@xenocow: There is no forced ToS. You agree to it willingly when clicking accept. It has held up in german courts, it will hold up in german courts because terms of service exist with just about everything.
You say you can't compare apples and pears, yet you use a facebook example which deals with personal data transfer to a foreign country. Apple =/= pear.
If you google german bots in world of warcraft, you can see blizzard has won these cases before, and will keep winning these cases because the ToS holds up. There's nothing in the ToS with regards to bots that interferes with german laws, so you're wrong here.
If the ToS said we will keep your private info on an insecure server in the US there would be a case for that, but even then it wouldn't change the part of the ToS that says you can't bot. In ToS court cases in germany and most european countries, you cannot invalidate a ToS in its entirety like you think, you have to pick it part by part.
For reference, you can go on any german online game developers website and compare their ToS with blizzards. I would suggest Cipsoft GmbH since they've been on the scene for well over 15 years. Maybe you can educate yourself on your own countries' ToS laws like that.
The I PAID FOR IT part is just a dumb statement, I'll leave it as it is.
I swear, you people and your righteous indignation against anybody who makes money. Blows my mind.
Not saying I agree, but that is a two way contract when a choice is made by two sides.
Interesting info that you shared below about Facebook, but as far as I know those cases were appealed and reversed, will have to read further on them.
So you where cheating in another game, but not in diablo? aaaah, i get it..
Very classy Drahque.
lol, probably not classy. Drahque has a very strong hate against boters. And who can blame him? Boters ruins the competition of the game.
That was a basic form letter that went out. Accounts were closed for botting, THUD, and D3H, or the use of any 3rd party programs. It also banned accounts for any automation scripts like AHK or using macros to do more than one action per click. I believe the latter refers to the OP. There is no appeal or 2nd chance. The only way you can return is to buy a new account and start over again while following the end user agreement. EVERYONE got the same letter!
blizzard doesn't just ban you for nothing lol u were cheating and got caught R.I.P
this guy is lying, the only way blizzard detects anything is which programs are attached to their games. you can run what ever you want in the background as long as you dont use it on their games, he is just trying to get people on his side for no reason but he did something to get himself banned. Blizzard doesnt scan your processes so there is no way they can tell what you do to OTHER games. On a side note who the fuck cares about losing a diablo account? it isnt WoW or soemthing you have 40 characters and 300 mounts on. buy another and pwr lvl up and tadaaa your right back in it.
Damn that sucks. It's scary to think you could get banned for nothing. I have a bunch of Razer stuff, its kinda making me nervous..