Creatures don't even stay on the ground after you kill them now either, according to blizzard. Which is odd because in Titan Quest, all creatures you killed stood on the ground for the whole duration of the game with no slow downs, as well as the items. :rolleyes:
Hmmm...I dont remember that in Titan quest. Probably because I took it for granted and didn't notice. I'm going to have to re-install it and take a look (though i doubt I'll see a performance hit)
Blizzard commented that they are looking into keeping corpses around longer when asked about the disappearing corpses. Hopefully they allow a "Set Corpse Degrade to X seconds" in the graphics menu.
First off, I don't work at a computer store. I'm a graphic artist and cartoonist and I have a computer business on the side.
What do ya know? I guess you don't "do this shit for a living". Ha.
As for the cheap shot against my 9800 GTX, I "technically" bought it at full price because I used the EVGA step-up program to get it from an 8800 GTS 320 version that I had purchased for 200 dollars at the time for a budget build (which was marked down from the original 300 at newegg). When the 9800 GTX came out for a then unbelievable price of approximately 300 dollars, it was a no brainer to go for it considering the 8800 GTX was STILL selling for over 400 dollars and the 9800GX2 was going to retail for over 600 dollars. You think that was a bad buy now since you actually know the backstory behind it?
No, it wasn't a bad move under those circumstances. Though, it wasn't a super good move either considering the drastic market change that was obvious - either way it doesn't matter anymore.
HERE WE GO AGAIN! The common complaint of "You can't compare a dual-gpu card to a single gpu card." Here's the deal: You've got two different designs. You have the massive Monolithic GPU design and you have the Dual GPU design. One uses brute force, the other uses two GPUs in tandom to perform Alternate Frame Rendering to in theory double performance (which isn't truely the case thanks to drivers). This is the same BS excuse that people made when Intel was stuck with Single Core P4's and AMD had the Athlon X2. "You can't compare performance because it's got an extra processor." Well I'm sorry, but you can. The GTX280 is registured as the "High End Nvidia Product" and the 4870 X2 is registured as the "High End ATI Product" so OF COURSE they are going to be compared because they are supposed to be in the same "high end" price bracket. They both are dual slot cards designed to utilize ONE PCI-Express slot to interface with a computer motherboard. One uses one design and the other uses another design so you can't complain that one design works better than the other, you can only ligitimately complain about the price (which everyone, myself included, does)
Ok... Wow most of that was a bunch of rubbish, your right two different designs that use one PCI-E slot, which are in the same high-end category but are in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEAGUE from one another. Is it possible to compare them? Duh, yes, is it a fair comparison? Not even close, that's all I'm saying friend.
People made the same BS remarks about the prototype dual 6800, the flawed 7950GX2, the underperforming 1950X2 and 2600X2, and the 3870X2 and the 9800GX2. Now comes the 4870X2. Only thing is, there's more complaints and moaning because for the FIRST time, the dual gpu design is actually paying off whereas before, performance over a single GPU wasn't as spectacular as promised.
Really, the 9800GX2 didn't perform well? I thought it did, right now for $300 I think it's quite the attractive buy.
ATi processors are vastly different from nVidia processors. The most basic way I can explain this is 120 ATi shaders are roughly less than half as powerful as the same amount of nVidia shader processors. Why is that? Because they are achetectually different from the other. If you want to know the details, go google it but there is a reason why the 800 shaders of the 4870 do not outperform the 240 shaders of the GTX280 at resolutions that eliminate the extra ram advantage of the GTX280.
I'm aware how they're different, thanks for the history lesson captain boring. Does everyone that reads a few articles online think they're an engineer now? Christ.
As for "AA being useless at those resolutions" I dont know what monitor you're using, but I'm working with the good stuff here. I'm not talking about your standard NT 6-bit monitors, I'm talking about 8-bit S-IPS monitors. Again, go google it and research it because I'm not going to waste my time going into depth. I'll just say this: It displays a vastly superior picture
What's that have to do with AA being useless at high resolutions while gaming? Stop dodging the statement, no one cares how good your monitor is, when it comes to gaming a TN panel is just as good as your fancy overpriced S panel. I had a few S-panels myself, images are defiantly more vibrant and calibrated but they aren't worth the extra cash if you game. I actually got lucky with my 2253BW, I had to RMA it 3 times because of dead pixel insurance with my provider, I have a dealer license too so everything is free. Anyways, the 4th monitor they sent me, was one of the few monitors that reviewers got, an S-IPS.
Saying a 350 dollar board doesn't perform any better than a 150 dollar board is bullshit. Wait, I'll amend that, saying a 350 dollar board performs better than a 250 dollar board is valid, but comparing either of those to a "budget" 150 dollar board has no barring. You've probably never even researched this because there is a decent difference between the two. Granted I'll never buy a 350 dollar motherboard but the high end boards perform about 10% or more better than a cheaper board in MORE than just framerates. They provide more stable overclocks, they have better RAID performance, they have better communication with RAM and graphics/PCI slots. In about all areas, the more expensive boards tend to deliver about 10% better performance along a large range of parts. Hell, just look at Skulltrail. For 650 dollars, you can have a beast of a board that LITERALLY leaves every other high-end board in the dust.
What's wrong with you? I stated that a $300 motherboard compared to a $150 will give you TRIVIAL gaming performance. I'm quite aware of the perks and useless extras provided on those overpriced premium boards. Haha, now-a-days just about any decent $150 board will provide you with very adequate overclocking performance, all those features that you mentioned are rampant on $150 boards. Someone that "does this shit for a living" should have known that. You're right, that $650 board is just flawless, heck look at these AMAZING benchmarks comparing Skulltrial in the RED to a $200 motherboard. Are you done yet?
Is $650 worth 2 seconds?
Myself, I'm a budget buyer. I don't need the highest frames on the block. I laugh at the people who spend 8 grand on a PC and my computer can still perform to high expectations in the same games and applications. But to ignorantly say that extra money doesn't bring any performance benifits well you sir, you're just not doing your homework.
A budget buyer that has a cadre of S-IPS monitors? Right... Extra money doesn't bring extra performance when that money is spent in the WRONG places. When you have the same components, but different motherboards, the performance gains will be TRIVIAL - I use that word a lot, do you know the meaning of it yet? I don't think you've been doing your homework at all, every poorly written paragraph by you is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, and can you at least use a spellchecker so it's pleasant to read? Thanks pal, I appreciate it. Please note that I didn't quote anything else because it was garbage that you just keep rehashing.
Might still be not enough for the Canadian prices, but.. ahahahah!
I still can't believe that you were using Canadian prices to prove your point.
Yes, you are right, considering those prices, I'm not saying you are not, but you used prices in YOUR country: Not stating you were talking for yourself when these prices are vastly different from the norm, to prove a point to people NOT living in your country. You can see that this isn't proper, no?
I'm not trying to argue that the 280GTX is a better card for the price or a better card overall, but in it's price category, design and league it shouldn't be paired up against the monster that is the 4870 X2. I wouldn't even touch the 280, unless it was around $40-60 more expensive then the 4870. Varth or whatever his name is proclaimed it as such a piece of trash in comparison to the 4870 X2, which obviously it stands it's ground quite well for a card that has a single GPU. Anyways, I'm done on the whole comparison dealie, compare whatever you want I lost interest.
Lemme ask you something, how would you know my 19" was "lowgrade", I bought it 8 years ago. And it's a CRT, it still performs better than your average LCD, at 1600x1200x85Hz. Or are you just flaming for the sake of flaming?
Whew, good thing I don't have an "average LCD" :P. Widescreen, size, quality/performance and weight are large factors in my monitor evaluation, though it's obviously personal opinion - I wouldn't take your monitor for free because it lacks many traits that I'm looking for.
EDIT: You have some good points, from time to time, but overall you are whining and you're flaming people, then take it bad when they answer you in the same tone. Fix it.
Creatures don't even stay on the ground after you kill them now either, according to blizzard. Which is odd because in Titan Quest, all creatures you killed stood on the ground for the whole duration of the game with no slow downs, as well as the items. :rolleyes:
They stay until you leave screen, now (and probably if its a dungeon until you leave the dungeon) People need to stay updated on this. They said theyre changing it because people complained (perfect example of blizzard listening to fans)
Lol I just stopped actually reading these posts a while back. It isn't like I'm trying to play Oblivion on 200 fps here. I'm sure a moderate card and computer will play it just fine.
But seriously, it's like a novel about 3 or 4 people arguing about graphics cards.
ATi is better in the long run since recently, but nVidia is better for the instant now video card.
If you don't count dual GPU configs, nVidia has the faster card, but ATi's card is already beating it in new games, so just calm down and don't be a fanboy. Need a graphics card now? Do you upgrade every 6 months? Good, get nVidia. Planning to get a graphics card that's going to stick with you? Get ATi, the both have their big pluses and big minuses, so get over it.
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Hmmm...I dont remember that in Titan quest. Probably because I took it for granted and didn't notice. I'm going to have to re-install it and take a look (though i doubt I'll see a performance hit)
Blizzard commented that they are looking into keeping corpses around longer when asked about the disappearing corpses. Hopefully they allow a "Set Corpse Degrade to X seconds" in the graphics menu.
What do ya know? I guess you don't "do this shit for a living". Ha.
No, it wasn't a bad move under those circumstances. Though, it wasn't a super good move either considering the drastic market change that was obvious - either way it doesn't matter anymore.
Ok... Wow most of that was a bunch of rubbish, your right two different designs that use one PCI-E slot, which are in the same high-end category but are in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEAGUE from one another. Is it possible to compare them? Duh, yes, is it a fair comparison? Not even close, that's all I'm saying friend.
Really, the 9800GX2 didn't perform well? I thought it did, right now for $300 I think it's quite the attractive buy.
I'm aware how they're different, thanks for the history lesson captain boring. Does everyone that reads a few articles online think they're an engineer now? Christ.
What's that have to do with AA being useless at high resolutions while gaming? Stop dodging the statement, no one cares how good your monitor is, when it comes to gaming a TN panel is just as good as your fancy overpriced S panel. I had a few S-panels myself, images are defiantly more vibrant and calibrated but they aren't worth the extra cash if you game. I actually got lucky with my 2253BW, I had to RMA it 3 times because of dead pixel insurance with my provider, I have a dealer license too so everything is free. Anyways, the 4th monitor they sent me, was one of the few monitors that reviewers got, an S-IPS.
What's wrong with you? I stated that a $300 motherboard compared to a $150 will give you TRIVIAL gaming performance. I'm quite aware of the perks and useless extras provided on those overpriced premium boards. Haha, now-a-days just about any decent $150 board will provide you with very adequate overclocking performance, all those features that you mentioned are rampant on $150 boards. Someone that "does this shit for a living" should have known that. You're right, that $650 board is just flawless, heck look at these AMAZING benchmarks comparing Skulltrial in the RED to a $200 motherboard. Are you done yet?
Is $650 worth 2 seconds?
A budget buyer that has a cadre of S-IPS monitors? Right... Extra money doesn't bring extra performance when that money is spent in the WRONG places. When you have the same components, but different motherboards, the performance gains will be TRIVIAL - I use that word a lot, do you know the meaning of it yet? I don't think you've been doing your homework at all, every poorly written paragraph by you is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, and can you at least use a spellchecker so it's pleasant to read? Thanks pal, I appreciate it. Please note that I didn't quote anything else because it was garbage that you just keep rehashing.
I'm not trying to argue that the 280GTX is a better card for the price or a better card overall, but in it's price category, design and league it shouldn't be paired up against the monster that is the 4870 X2. I wouldn't even touch the 280, unless it was around $40-60 more expensive then the 4870. Varth or whatever his name is proclaimed it as such a piece of trash in comparison to the 4870 X2, which obviously it stands it's ground quite well for a card that has a single GPU. Anyways, I'm done on the whole comparison dealie, compare whatever you want I lost interest.
Whew, good thing I don't have an "average LCD" :P. Widescreen, size, quality/performance and weight are large factors in my monitor evaluation, though it's obviously personal opinion - I wouldn't take your monitor for free because it lacks many traits that I'm looking for.
I'm just having a GREAT time, you?
NO ONE WANTS TO READ HUGE POSTS.
That is all.
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But seriously, it's like a novel about 3 or 4 people arguing about graphics cards.
Over confidence is the rot.
What exactly is inaccurate about it? I'd like to know, thanks.
You can keep wanting to know because I don't have the patience to go back through it all and find the fallacies. Sorry. Just take my word for it.
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ATi is better in the long run since recently, but nVidia is better for the instant now video card.
If you don't count dual GPU configs, nVidia has the faster card, but ATi's card is already beating it in new games, so just calm down and don't be a fanboy. Need a graphics card now? Do you upgrade every 6 months? Good, get nVidia. Planning to get a graphics card that's going to stick with you? Get ATi, the both have their big pluses and big minuses, so get over it.
Thread closed. Direct questions to goodguy via PM. He knows what he is talking about.
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