No offense, but the title of this thread seems somewhat uninformed. S5 Wiz was considered an absolute requirement for high tier GR. S6 looks like Wiz will be just as much a requirement for high tier GR, and even using a different skill and gear setup (what more could a wiz ask for?).
On a more helpful note; I second shap's advice to go look on the build section; you can use it to familiarise yourself with the current trends. D3Planner is also a great tool if you want to do a more in-depth build comparison. There was also a nice little vid around this site recently, for what looks to be the most promising S6 wiz build (which shall remain nameless for fear of nerf).
Well if I want to play Wizard, I usually play WD Helltooth.
Sure, because casting wall of death once every 8 seconds and running around like a headless chicken while your pets(Gargs) do everything for you in auto mode is the way that a wizard is supposed to be played right? xD
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Not really but at least I can CAST I dont have to worry for the lack of toughness, number of monsters around me, number of *things* I cast, etc etc.
You're right in one thing, you really don't have to worry about anything with that auto-pilot build xD, except "casting" the ocasional piranhado + WoD and that's it, really engaging... NOT! ^^
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Not really but at least I can CAST I dont have to worry for the lack of toughness, number of monsters around me, number of *things* I cast, etc etc.
You're right in one thing, you really don't have to worry about anything with that auto-pilot build xD, except "casting" the ocasional piranhado + WoD and that's it, really engaging... NOT! ^^
Everybody is entitle to play whatever class he wants. I'm not the only one complaining about wizard. I don't want wizard to be on auto-pilot. I want wizard to be what sorceress was. A long rage caster, lacking in toughness, but powerfull in spells. Now it is lacking in every way and we have to play wizard like barbarian (without the toughness buff ofc). I am finishing the GR and I get Voracity (for ex.). I have to run backwards and cast 1-2 tornados...until I find a spot to teleport in town and end game faster.... very engaging... NOT!
Well you're derailing a bit, but i'll indulge...
You WANT the Wizard to be like the sorceress, but it's called a wizard and it's not really the same class.
Regarding grifts what you described is actually a player problem and not a wizard problem, i in fact love getting Voracity (Ghom) on high grifts (80+) specially solo since he has a very large hitbox and moves really slowly, you are doing something very wrong with your wiz apparently.
Im not saying Wizard is ok, but what class is ok? every class has balance/diversity problems.
Edit: or if you can't learn how to play your current build you can always take Shapookya's advice and change builds to a more confortable one for you
"I want wizard to be what sorceress was. A long range caster, lacking in toughness, but powerful in spells."
"I have to run backwards and cast 1-2 tornados..."
@ LordOfDestruction
Wizards are a long range caster, and in 2.4 they are considered the highest DPS class. In particular, twister build in 2.4 (which I assume you are using) is considered extremely powerful due to buff from sword (currently nerfed on PTR). Also, from the looks of the current PTR, wizards will retain their position as highest DPS, although the mechanics of this particular build may reduce its effective range (30 yd radius). As an avid monk player, I would not consider 30 yd to be melee range, I would say it's on the fair side of mid-ranged.
Blizz nerfed Vyr because it soloed gr100, if firebird archon stays until live i'll be surprised with the massive fail by blizzard.
Did they nerf Vyr ?
I remember they buffing Archon damage from 20% to 300%, and then sinking it back to 30%.
Ok, everybody knows a PTR is supposed to test stuff, but for fuck sake... They just throw some absurd numbers randomly and expect things to work ?
ET is generally preferred in group play, relying on reaper's + globe supports to keep AP full. In Solo you could tweak your setup slightly to better handle single targets, although it would cost you some valuable dmg bonuses.
Option 1:
Valthek's Rebuke in cube in place of furnace. Causes ET to go straight.
Note: Huge loss in dmg vs elites/RG - not recommended.
Option 2:
Switch to the Wicked Wind rune. ET spins at the target location, instead of following a path.
Preferred Playstyle:
Trap mobs in corners. Basically provides the benefits of Wicked Wind rune, without sacrificing the dmg bonus of Raging Storm.
Blizz nerfed Vyr because it soloed gr100, if firebird archon stays until live i'll be surprised with the massive fail by blizzard.
Did they nerf Vyr ?
I remember they buffing Archon damage from 20% to 300%, and then sinking it back to 30%.
Ok, everybody knows a PTR is supposed to test stuff, but for fuck sake... They just throw some absurd numbers randomly and expect things to work ?
No doubt, dunno what's up with this PTR... but y, they did indeed nerf Vyr, they reverted the buff to the 4pc from 1.5% back to 1% and from the looks of it it'll stay like that :\ ironic that firebird will be a better archon than a set designed for archon xD
@LordOfDestruction: seems to me like u're the one turning this into something it's not because u can't take a hint, but i'll indulge one last time.
You started by stating wd helltooth is a "true" caster sarcastic or not it's a pet build with no relation to wizard whatsoever in a wizard thread, then go on to say wizard sucks because it has to run away but u want wizard to be a ranged caster and finally u say "Tornado" build is the only close to fun build to play, but sucks for you because you can't stay in melee range to make it work, are you even thinking before writing?
My advise/help/hint for you if you really want to play wizard and an active gameplay is to go try out arcane orb obliteration build then, i soloed 80 with it before switching to channeling twisters, it's kinda harder to play and you'll need something to group them up but it's as ranged as it gets.
Ppl on this forums tend to help alot and diablofans is a great community, i'm sure you would get more help if you asked for it instead of whiney sarcastic comments, unlike you my battletag is public you are free to check my character/leaderboard standings, i never claimed to be the best as u put it, because i am not and i do not have the time to farm enough paragon for even trying it, but i've ranked in every era on the solo wiz leaderboards always higher (rank not tier) than previously, my best being rank #83 last era, so everything i discussed is on practice and not on paper.
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@LordOfDestruction: seems to me like u're the one turning this into something it's not because u can't take a hint, but i'll indulge one last time.
You started by stating wd helltooth is a "true" caster sarcastic or not it's a pet build with no relation to wizard whatsoever in a wizard thread, then go on to say wizard sucks because it has to run away but u want wizard to be a ranged caster and finally u say "Tornado" build is the only close to fun build to play, but sucks for you because you can't stay in melee range to make it work, are you even thinking before writing?
My advise/help/hint for you if you really want to play wizard and an active gameplay is to go try out arcane orb obliteration build then, i soloed 80 with it before switching to channeling twisters, it's kinda harder to play and you'll need something to group them up but it's as ranged as it gets.
Ppl on this forums tend to help alot and diablofans is a great community, i'm sure you would get more help if you asked for it instead of whiney sarcastic comments, unlike you my battletag is public you are free to check my character/leaderboard standings, i never claimed to be the best as u put it, because i am not and i do not have the time to farm enough paragon for even trying it, but i've ranked in every era on the solo wiz leaderboards always higher (rank not tier) than previously, my best being rank #83 last era, so everything i discussed is on practice and not on paper.
I never played any pet build with WD. I play WoD on Helltooth which means I cast spells. My one line statement should be left alone there as it did not meant anything in particular and for sure it was not whining or something else. It is obvious to me you will not let it go, so I will take the highroad and do something else than argue with you here. Diablo fans is a great community, but you are not a great member of it. If anyone turns you on like this with a sarcastic line that was not even address to you, than my point is made. Have a great.... whatever!
Nice try to flip it over, let it go dude... just let it go.
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Any new Wizard builds , from ptr testing ???
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No offense, but the title of this thread seems somewhat uninformed. S5 Wiz was considered an absolute requirement for high tier GR. S6 looks like Wiz will be just as much a requirement for high tier GR, and even using a different skill and gear setup (what more could a wiz ask for?).
On a more helpful note; I second shap's advice to go look on the build section; you can use it to familiarise yourself with the current trends. D3Planner is also a great tool if you want to do a more in-depth build comparison. There was also a nice little vid around this site recently, for what looks to be the most promising S6 wiz build (which shall remain nameless for fear of nerf).
lol that made me laugh
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i did not try it though, bit iam eager to test it once it goes live , dont wanna spoil ne fun
Blizz nerfed Vyr because it soloed gr100, if firebird archon stays until live i'll be surprised with the massive fail by blizzard.
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Wizards in D3 is looking alot like death knights in WoW, a rollercoaster ride where strong specs gets nerfed to the ground.
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Well you're derailing a bit, but i'll indulge...
You WANT the Wizard to be like the sorceress, but it's called a wizard and it's not really the same class.
Regarding grifts what you described is actually a player problem and not a wizard problem, i in fact love getting Voracity (Ghom) on high grifts (80+) specially solo since he has a very large hitbox and moves really slowly, you are doing something very wrong with your wiz apparently.
Im not saying Wizard is ok, but what class is ok? every class has balance/diversity problems.
Edit: or if you can't learn how to play your current build you can always take Shapookya's advice and change builds to a more confortable one for you
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"I want wizard to be what sorceress was. A long range caster, lacking in toughness, but powerful in spells."
"I have to run backwards and cast 1-2 tornados..."
@ LordOfDestruction
Wizards are a long range caster, and in 2.4 they are considered the highest DPS class. In particular, twister build in 2.4 (which I assume you are using) is considered extremely powerful due to buff from sword (currently nerfed on PTR). Also, from the looks of the current PTR, wizards will retain their position as highest DPS, although the mechanics of this particular build may reduce its effective range (30 yd radius). As an avid monk player, I would not consider 30 yd to be melee range, I would say it's on the fair side of mid-ranged.
I remember they buffing Archon damage from 20% to 300%, and then sinking it back to 30%.
Ok, everybody knows a PTR is supposed to test stuff, but for fuck sake... They just throw some absurd numbers randomly and expect things to work ?
"Do you guys not have phones?"
@ LordOfDestruction
ET is generally preferred in group play, relying on reaper's + globe supports to keep AP full. In Solo you could tweak your setup slightly to better handle single targets, although it would cost you some valuable dmg bonuses.
Option 1:
Valthek's Rebuke in cube in place of furnace. Causes ET to go straight.
Note: Huge loss in dmg vs elites/RG - not recommended.
Option 2:
Switch to the Wicked Wind rune. ET spins at the target location, instead of following a path.
Preferred Playstyle:
Trap mobs in corners. Basically provides the benefits of Wicked Wind rune, without sacrificing the dmg bonus of Raging Storm.
@LordOfDestruction: seems to me like u're the one turning this into something it's not because u can't take a hint, but i'll indulge one last time.
You started by stating wd helltooth is a "true" caster sarcastic or not it's a pet build with no relation to wizard whatsoever in a wizard thread, then go on to say wizard sucks because it has to run away but u want wizard to be a ranged caster and finally u say "Tornado" build is the only close to fun build to play, but sucks for you because you can't stay in melee range to make it work, are you even thinking before writing?
My advise/help/hint for you if you really want to play wizard and an active gameplay is to go try out arcane orb obliteration build then, i soloed 80 with it before switching to channeling twisters, it's kinda harder to play and you'll need something to group them up but it's as ranged as it gets.
Ppl on this forums tend to help alot and diablofans is a great community, i'm sure you would get more help if you asked for it instead of whiney sarcastic comments, unlike you my battletag is public you are free to check my character/leaderboard standings, i never claimed to be the best as u put it, because i am not and i do not have the time to farm enough paragon for even trying it, but i've ranked in every era on the solo wiz leaderboards always higher (rank not tier) than previously, my best being rank #83 last era, so everything i discussed is on practice and not on paper.
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