I think it is fine. I mean, it fits the character very well. And if it were simply "witch" then they would have to call the male warlock. Talk about WoW...
Warlock means Oath Breaker, thus it would not be a male witch. You can have female Warlocks and male Witches. (Yes, Harry Potter isn't the deffinitive resource on things magical.)
Saying something like that is just as intellegent as saying Christians are male because Jesus was male so Jews would be female Christians. Not intended to be offensive.
If you remove Doctor from Witch then you need to remake the entire character to more accurately portray the name. (At least Diablo 1's Atma was somewhat realistic, even if she was also somewhat stereotyped...)
When I think of "Witch Doctor" I think of Scooby Doo or Gilligan's Island. Basically a character in a comedy. Can we call him a voodoo priest or shamen?
Well they could always call it a Shaman, but people will still associate it with WoW and Witchdoctor is more fitting anyway.
For reals. What's with all the 'Shaman' talk when people want it to be LESS like WoW? No...Witch Doctor is inspired by real folk legends and archetypes. Just like he knows the ways of the body, he knows the ways to kill...master of diseases. Also, he's witchy, dealing in the demonic...summoning creatures. And finally, crazy witchy firepower. Fireballs. Three trees, whatever you wanna call it.
I believe Endugu (and by extenstion all Fetish) is part of the Skatsimi religion too. That is what the Taan Mage clan is too. Ormus is a member of the Taan clan.
He is dressed somewhat similarly to the Witch Doctor.
Skatsimi is actually vaguely mentioned in the series, but I think it does say that it has Witch Doctors in it.
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Yeah, except Witch are generally used as a name for female magic user.
Yea, except the part where witches are about 50/50 and only hollywood says that there evil female hags. But then again, Harry Potter...
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How about Vaudun Priest/Priestess?! :thumbsup:
First person who can say what "Vaudun" means correctly wins...something...
(Key word is correctly._
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This though, I cannot agree with. Even if I think that "Witch" would be far too generic, on a personal level, there are numerous kinds of Witches around the world. Not just the modern-medieval imagery of the "Witch". To tie back to the original "olol ders real-lajf witch doctas and this maeks sense in Diablo 3+!", if they were encountered earlier, they'd simply be called "Witches" too (Or given that they were black, acted and dressed the way they did, maybe even "Demons" - but that's just base assumption on my part).
Witch is a very encompassing term, yes, but to use such a stereotypical idea like hollywood or harry potter is not only offensive but derogatory and demeaning.
Other then that though, I am very impressed Luckmann. You are the first intellegent member of the June/July fan rush. I deam you worthy of being a real member of Diablofans.
Luckmann, using nouns referencing the real world is inevitable.
Why is a Barbarian called a Barbarian?
That's an English/Roman/Greek term for an uncivilized person! Why would the world of Sanctuary call Barbarians Barbarians? Why would they call themselves Barbarians?
Witch doctor is a term with connotations in English culture just like the word Barbarian.
Edit: Having read a part of your post I'd clearly missed, I think you should look at the term "Witch Doctor" with its modern connotations, not just as a generic synonym for "healer".
I assume you can see my direction here.
PS: Also, making the class "witch" instead, with my cultural basis coming from Shakespeer and modern television (and retro television from the 60s and 70s) etc, the word witch conjures to mind a magicdoing woman, especially but not necessarily white and old. I guess people removed far into the realms of fantasy or who use other centuries as their cultural frame of reference are bound to have differing preconceptions.
Edit again: I feel that these stereotypes are more familiar than those of Wicca and related modern religions also.
Yea, except the part where witches are about 50/50 and only hollywood says that there evil female hags. But then again, Harry Potter...
I hate that crap. Hollywood and it's ruing of stuff. Also Harry Potter.
I play Baldur's Gate. To me Witch is a term used for female spellcasters from Rashemen. They are not fat old hags with green skin, warts, and long noses that ride on broom sticks and cackle. They do have familiars though.
They are simple female spell casters.
Other then that though, I am very impressed Luckmann. You are the first intellegent member of the June/July fan rush. I deam you worthy of being a real member of Diablofans.
Congratulations
I've noticed that too. Kudos Luckmann.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
PS: Also, making the class "witch" instead, with my cultural basis coming from Shakespeer and modern television (and retro television from the 60s and 70s) etc, the word witch conjures to mind a magicdoing woman, especially but not necessarily white and old. I guess people removed far into the realms of fantasy or who use other centuries as their cultural frame of reference are bound to have differing preconceptions.
Well the term "Witch" conjures to mind similar things to most people. But guess what. Take a guess. Give up? I'm a witch. And take another guess. I'm a male and at the youthfull age of twenty. That kinda fucks up the hollywood stereotype, doesn't it?
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They are simple female spell casters.
Well I for one am not female and have the jewels to prove it...
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Witch Shaman...?
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
Warlock means Oath Breaker, thus it would not be a male witch. You can have female Warlocks and male Witches. (Yes, Harry Potter isn't the deffinitive resource on things magical.)
Saying something like that is just as intellegent as saying Christians are male because Jesus was male so Jews would be female Christians.
Not intended to be offensive.
If you remove Doctor from Witch then you need to remake the entire character to more accurately portray the name. (At least Diablo 1's Atma was somewhat realistic, even if she was also somewhat stereotyped...)
Well they could always call it a Shaman, but people will still associate it with WoW and Witchdoctor is more fitting anyway.
For reals. What's with all the 'Shaman' talk when people want it to be LESS like WoW? No...Witch Doctor is inspired by real folk legends and archetypes. Just like he knows the ways of the body, he knows the ways to kill...master of diseases. Also, he's witchy, dealing in the demonic...summoning creatures. And finally, crazy witchy firepower. Fireballs. Three trees, whatever you wanna call it.
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How about Vaudun Priest/Priestess?! :thumbsup:
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Very good point!
http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Witch_Doctor_Endugu
He is dressed somewhat similarly to the Witch Doctor.
Skatsimi is actually vaguely mentioned in the series, but I think it does say that it has Witch Doctors in it.
Yea, except the part where witches are about 50/50 and only hollywood says that there evil female hags. But then again, Harry Potter...
First person who can say what "Vaudun" means correctly wins...something...
(Key word is correctly._
Witch is a very encompassing term, yes, but to use such a stereotypical idea like hollywood or harry potter is not only offensive but derogatory and demeaning.
Other then that though, I am very impressed Luckmann. You are the first intellegent member of the June/July fan rush. I deam you worthy of being a real member of Diablofans.
Congratulations.
Why is a Barbarian called a Barbarian?
That's an English/Roman/Greek term for an uncivilized person! Why would the world of Sanctuary call Barbarians Barbarians? Why would they call themselves Barbarians?
Witch doctor is a term with connotations in English culture just like the word Barbarian.
Edit: Having read a part of your post I'd clearly missed, I think you should look at the term "Witch Doctor" with its modern connotations, not just as a generic synonym for "healer".
I assume you can see my direction here.
PS: Also, making the class "witch" instead, with my cultural basis coming from Shakespeer and modern television (and retro television from the 60s and 70s) etc, the word witch conjures to mind a magicdoing woman, especially but not necessarily white and old. I guess people removed far into the realms of fantasy or who use other centuries as their cultural frame of reference are bound to have differing preconceptions.
Edit again: I feel that these stereotypes are more familiar than those of Wicca and related modern religions also.
I hate that crap. Hollywood and it's ruing of stuff. Also Harry Potter.
I play Baldur's Gate. To me Witch is a term used for female spellcasters from Rashemen. They are not fat old hags with green skin, warts, and long noses that ride on broom sticks and cackle. They do have familiars though.
They are simple female spell casters.
I've noticed that too. Kudos Luckmann.
Well the term "Witch" conjures to mind similar things to most people. But guess what. Take a guess. Give up? I'm a witch. And take another guess. I'm a male and at the youthfull age of twenty. That kinda fucks up the hollywood stereotype, doesn't it?
Well I for one am not female and have the jewels to prove it...