Oh and by the way, Blizzard using P2P but no game cards = complete BS.
If you already make them a greedy company who takes monthly fee for another game besides WoW, why shouldn't them use game cards, and if it'll be only 5$, why shouldn't even more kids buy it?it's more money to them = better for them.
1UP: Speaking of the WOW experience, other action-RPG games have attempted a subscription model of sorts, can you talk at all about that for Diablo III?
RP: Well, ultimately, we'll decide on the final business model of the game in the future, but I don't think you're going to see a subscription model in the realm of WOW. It's a boxed product game, it will be more similar to say, the Diablo II or the StarCraft II model.
I, for one, am fairly offended by the average opinion that Age=Maturity. I am sorry, but most of the douchebags you see online are 20-40 year-old nerds that live in their parents basement anyway.
And where is your gamecard facts? Do you have actual statistics or are you just making shit up? If so, then you are demenstrating the above.
Get a grip buddy.
Also, note that even though there is no payment Blizzard could EASILY update D3 once every month or two. Remember, WoW has 10 million (6-7 million high paying subscribers, Asian areas pay about 2 bucks a month) Subs. 15$*10 million subs=$150 million monthly. (while scewed a bit... but that is besides the point... 15*6 million subs is still $90 million monthly)
I am sorry, but the whole of D3 costs MAYBE 20-30 million to make in itself, then add in the financial backing BLizzard has via investments, etc... They could easily update the game without subscription.
Maybe it is just me, but i am 16, and i have a debit/credit card. Anyone can apply for a pre-paid/loaded credit card. A monthly fee in no way would change your gameplay.
Seriously there shouldn't be a monthly fee. That's totally outrageous solution. Just to keep out the kids? Lol
If Blizzard really implements pay2play in D3 which is not an MMORPG, that's really outrageous!. That shows Blizzard cares nothing but just $$. I know WoW is a successful franchise but it doesn't mean others aren't great. And not all franchise needs to pay2play *shakehead*
iCanada is right on the money, earlier today on D1 i saw a ridiculously immature 37 year old (supposedly) hacking/crashing and regularly calling other people names.
MMOG's are P2P or RMT (Real Money Trading, free to play with cash shop items) because of its complex distributed server architecture. Diablo 3 is NOT an MMO and henceforth does not need financing for its simpler server architecture.
I don't mind dishing out several dollars every month to play this game but what I said above is why it's not going to be pay to play. There will still be anti-hacking/duping monitoring and frequent updates even in the absence of a monthly fee. Monthly fees do not keep out kids (they have parents as many in this thread have pointed out) and even if it did, there's 40 year olds that act very immature so the OP's first point is moot.
I am sorry, but the whole of D3 costs MAYBE 20-30 million to make in itself, then add in the financial backing BLizzard has via investments, etc... They could easily update the game without subscription.
I disagree that a game of D3 or WoW's standard only costs 30 million after advertising, production, distribution, development, etc...
However I do agree that there SHOULD NOT be a monthly fee to play, it was one of the main reasons I never played WoW. If I was going to spend $15 a month I might as well just buy a new game every other month and not spend over $200 for the first year to play.
I always hated the idea of Pay2Play. That's kind of ridiculous. First you need to buy that game and installed in on your PC. You pay for it and it cost as much or even more than an offline single player game. Then you have to consistently PAY every month to play the game!.
It's like you purchase a CAR and every month you have to pay rental to the car makers for driving it. Isn't that wrong?
I been lurcking around this forum for about a week and finally registered. I just wanted to add my thoughts in about this. Read before you flame please.
There are many reasons I would like there to be a monthly fee, or at least wouldn't mind it.
1. Keep the kiddies out. I am tired of 14 year old punks ruining my gaming experience. With a monthly fee, that is payable by credit card not game card, it would get rid of a lot of immaturity and would result in a better game. The game is rated M for a reason. Go watch your bob the builder and leave the gaming to the adults, thanks.
2. If blizzard plans to regularly update this game like wow, then I don't mind one bit paying for the content. It would give extra money to blizz for new enhancements and whatnot. We were all complaining about how d2 hardly ever got updated. Well, why should they when they have no reason incentive to. Added levels, bosses, items, bug fixes, and world events is way worth the cost to me.
Have you played WoW? Just because it requires a credit card doesn't mean that "kiddies" won't be able to play. Just with the Mature rating as well, that doesn't really mean anything either. Parents or brothers or whoever else can still buy the game for them.
I started playing D2 when it first came out and there were REGULAR updates to it. The reason why it's rarely updated now-days is because the game is 8 years old. Yes, it may very well have a vibrant player community, but, anymore it doesn't need "regular" updates. There were plenty of patches and tweaks and fixes when the game first came out.
I hate the racist kids that play D2 just the same and as much as I enjoy playing D2 solo every now and then, I would never pay a subscription to play D3. Gaming for me is a way to past/waste time and unwind sometimes, not to waste hard earned $$$, no matter how small the monthly fee. Gas is getting expensive, havn't ya heard? lol
Maybe for every month you are subscribed to playing diablo3 with the monthly fee Blizzard will send you a gas card that will shave off $0.05 cents a gallon. No, thats kinda horrible.
However, what about having the availabilty to subscribe and that allows faster leveling or the availability to respec... who knows. Then again such a feature will divide the Diablo3 players into another scenario of haves and havenots. Many "free" mmo games have this feature and you can play without paying but the system always feels to be built for the ones that do pay. Thoughts?
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Er... any parents that care about their kids would let them take 10-15 dollars out of their credit card for some amusement and [lets face it] something to keep them out of their hair. You sir, fail.
As mentioned before, a monthly fee, even one payable exclusively through credit card, won't keep the kiddies out of the game. I've encountered a few kids online (most of 'em in WoW) and I was lucky enough to meet the mature ones.
Also, I'm 14 years old, and I behave quite well in online games. If you're going to base an entire group based on a few immature dick-wads you met in a game, you just cluster-failed.
A monthly fee would not prevent little kids from playing...the kid across the street from me, who is 12, plays WoW using his parent's credit card. What would really prevent kids from playing is an M rating for all kinds of reasons, and of course even then there will still be annoying kids playing. The good thing about Diablo is that if you don't want to play with people who are immature, you don't have to, just make your own game and stick a pw on it and tell some of your friends. I really don't get why people complain about immature kids in a game like this when you aren't forced to interact with them at all. Just get a few friends and play with them. Problem solved.
I been lurcking around this forum for about a week and finally registered. I just wanted to add my thoughts in about this. Read before you flame please.
There are many reasons I would like there to be a monthly fee, or at least wouldn't mind it.
1. Keep the kiddies out. I am tired of 14 year old punks ruining my gaming experience. With a monthly fee, that is payable by credit card not game card, it would get rid of a lot of immaturity and would result in a better game. The game is rated M for a reason. Go watch your bob the builder and leave the gaming to the adults, thanks.
2. If blizzard plans to regularly update this game like wow, then I don't mind one bit paying for the content. It would give extra money to blizz for new enhancements and whatnot. We were all complaining about how d2 hardly ever got updated. Well, why should they when they have no reason incentive to. Added levels, bosses, items, bug fixes, and world events is way worth the cost to me.
There are many other reason however those are the main two.
Also, something else i thought of. Let say they start out with a fee of 5-10 dollars a month. Thats cheap as hell. However, every time you are caught using a hack, cheat, or exploit they raise that price 5 dollars. It would be a incentive not to cheat because it would start effecting the wallet.
Lastly, to the people who say they they cant afford a monthly payment. Honestly, if you cant afford 15 bucks max a month then you really need to get a better job or something and not play games. Im sorry, but if you are struggling to pay that small ammount of money you have other issues.
Bring your lunch to work 3 days a MONTH and save that money.
Dont spend 19 bucks at the movies and have that money.
Dont buy a case of beer and you can have the money.
If you are responsible with it you can easily find extra money.
Well thats my two cents, flame on.
Ok for one, this game is instanced in the sense that, you choose to make it open for people to join your game. You can just have your own friends so you don't have to run into the "kiddies" as you so delicately put it. Parents have been willing to pay monthly fees for games for awhile, AoC has kids playing, so the parents got to be paying for it. For another thing, this is a recession, do you honestly think that everyone is in a jolly good time when it comes to jobs?
I'm not saying that there aren't jobs out there but we are losing jobs right now, so just saying grab a job that pays more just comes to me as a slight bit naive. I wouldn't care if I had to pay to play but I would like it to just be a game I can play like the old Diablo.
I disagree that a game of D3 or WoW's standard only costs 30 million after advertising, production, distribution, development, etc...
D3 is not the same type of game as WoW. An MMO costs around 50-100 times that of what an RPG costs. Think about it, Funcom spend 5 billion on AoC, and it is as incomplete as shit.
WoW and D3 are on completly different scales. WoW before the expansion had about ten times the content that Diablo 1, 2, and LoD had combined. The world is bigger! More instances in WoW then there are zones in Diablo 1 thruogh LoD, Battlegrounds, Guilds, 1000x more quests, more art (Races, armor types etc), more classes with more skills, harder bosses etc..
The average console game costs around 20-30 million to develope (same as CPU Fps, Rpg, Horror etc.).
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I already dont like wow. dont play it. and if blizzard wants to go p2p for d3 they certainly lose my respect.
This petition is to KEEP the current art direction
Good Job Blizzard. Stay on Track
If you already make them a greedy company who takes monthly fee for another game besides WoW, why shouldn't them use game cards, and if it'll be only 5$, why shouldn't even more kids buy it?it's more money to them = better for them.
1UP: Speaking of the WOW experience, other action-RPG games have attempted a subscription model of sorts, can you talk at all about that for Diablo III?
RP: Well, ultimately, we'll decide on the final business model of the game in the future, but I don't think you're going to see a subscription model in the realm of WOW. It's a boxed product game, it will be more similar to say, the Diablo II or the StarCraft II model.
And where is your gamecard facts? Do you have actual statistics or are you just making shit up? If so, then you are demenstrating the above.
Get a grip buddy.
Also, note that even though there is no payment Blizzard could EASILY update D3 once every month or two. Remember, WoW has 10 million (6-7 million high paying subscribers, Asian areas pay about 2 bucks a month) Subs. 15$*10 million subs=$150 million monthly. (while scewed a bit... but that is besides the point... 15*6 million subs is still $90 million monthly)
I am sorry, but the whole of D3 costs MAYBE 20-30 million to make in itself, then add in the financial backing BLizzard has via investments, etc... They could easily update the game without subscription.
Maybe it is just me, but i am 16, and i have a debit/credit card. Anyone can apply for a pre-paid/loaded credit card. A monthly fee in no way would change your gameplay.
If Blizzard really implements pay2play in D3 which is not an MMORPG, that's really outrageous!. That shows Blizzard cares nothing but just $$. I know WoW is a successful franchise but it doesn't mean others aren't great. And not all franchise needs to pay2play *shakehead*
Blizzard please read the above which i fully agreed with
I don't mind dishing out several dollars every month to play this game but what I said above is why it's not going to be pay to play. There will still be anti-hacking/duping monitoring and frequent updates even in the absence of a monthly fee. Monthly fees do not keep out kids (they have parents as many in this thread have pointed out) and even if it did, there's 40 year olds that act very immature so the OP's first point is moot.
I disagree that a game of D3 or WoW's standard only costs 30 million after advertising, production, distribution, development, etc...
However I do agree that there SHOULD NOT be a monthly fee to play, it was one of the main reasons I never played WoW. If I was going to spend $15 a month I might as well just buy a new game every other month and not spend over $200 for the first year to play.
It's like you purchase a CAR and every month you have to pay rental to the car makers for driving it. Isn't that wrong?
Blizzard please read the above which i fully agreed with
Have you played WoW? Just because it requires a credit card doesn't mean that "kiddies" won't be able to play. Just with the Mature rating as well, that doesn't really mean anything either. Parents or brothers or whoever else can still buy the game for them.
I started playing D2 when it first came out and there were REGULAR updates to it. The reason why it's rarely updated now-days is because the game is 8 years old. Yes, it may very well have a vibrant player community, but, anymore it doesn't need "regular" updates. There were plenty of patches and tweaks and fixes when the game first came out.
However, what about having the availabilty to subscribe and that allows faster leveling or the availability to respec... who knows. Then again such a feature will divide the Diablo3 players into another scenario of haves and havenots. Many "free" mmo games have this feature and you can play without paying but the system always feels to be built for the ones that do pay. Thoughts?
I agree we get rid of kids, but a monthly fee is just about the STUPIDEST idea to do that, there are other BETTER ways, man!
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Ok for one, this game is instanced in the sense that, you choose to make it open for people to join your game. You can just have your own friends so you don't have to run into the "kiddies" as you so delicately put it. Parents have been willing to pay monthly fees for games for awhile, AoC has kids playing, so the parents got to be paying for it. For another thing, this is a recession, do you honestly think that everyone is in a jolly good time when it comes to jobs?
I'm not saying that there aren't jobs out there but we are losing jobs right now, so just saying grab a job that pays more just comes to me as a slight bit naive. I wouldn't care if I had to pay to play but I would like it to just be a game I can play like the old Diablo.
D3 is not the same type of game as WoW. An MMO costs around 50-100 times that of what an RPG costs. Think about it, Funcom spend 5 billion on AoC, and it is as incomplete as shit.
WoW and D3 are on completly different scales. WoW before the expansion had about ten times the content that Diablo 1, 2, and LoD had combined. The world is bigger! More instances in WoW then there are zones in Diablo 1 thruogh LoD, Battlegrounds, Guilds, 1000x more quests, more art (Races, armor types etc), more classes with more skills, harder bosses etc..
The average console game costs around 20-30 million to develope (same as CPU Fps, Rpg, Horror etc.).