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"[Diablo1+2] obviously had the gothic look to it, but, you they weren't, they weren't very uh, very colorful games."
"We want to take dark as an emotion, rather than an actual color art choice." -Rob Pardo
"Why the hell shouldn't it be for 'kiddies', it's a goddamn game afterall." -lethlan
I hope that there wasn't sarcasm in there somewhere.
If there was - read again that entire post as a whole.
Nope. No sarcasm. They are ALWAYS hiring artists. They are hiring artists right now as we speak, and I'm betting some of them will work on Diablo III. Because : the artwork right now kind of sucks.
You didn't bring attention to anything though. Quit trying to troll.
You replied, so obviously it brought your attention too it. I wanted to point it out to put the rest of his post into context. Then context of someone who wants to completely dictate what someone else's creation is.
And I agree that graphics are all fucked up, but you have to be reasonable.
You can't tell blizzard that their product isn't "diablo", they get to decide what diablo is. They own it. ITS THEIRS TO DESIGN.
Well, hopefully Blizz will listen to us(which would be kind of hard not to since there's threads like this one damn near every gaming forum I visit lol). They have changed many things in their games once they heard the fans response in the past with the most recent change being the terran faction in SC2.
They do have a good reputation of listening to their fanbase so we should assume that the same should happen for us.
You replied, so obviously it brought your attention too it. I wanted to point it out to put the rest of his post into context. Then context of someone who wants to completely dictate what someone else's creation is.
And I agree that graphics are all fucked up, but you have to be reasonable.
You can't tell blizzard that their product isn't "diablo", they get to decide what diablo is. They own it. ITS THEIRS TO DESIGN.
Well Blizz thought the WCII look was a good decision for Starcraft, look how that played out.
d3 is still under development pls stop, they were kind enough to hear our begging and endless pleading, dont u think they would have darker graphics if this sequel is true to the d2 lore and style!
They are not going to do a forth overhaul of the graphics. They will most likely revamp them to be darker, but for the most part, I think it will stay relatively the same. We can only hope for the best.
But lets remember, there were much better graphics possible for Diablo II, but what makes Diablo is gameplay and replayability.
That doesnt matter because all of the hired artists will work accordingly to what the art director wants, he's the boss, he's the one that tells the artists what kind of feeling and style he wants the game to have, do you understand? The artists are simple workers, they just follow the art director orders and those orders are to copy World of Warcraft style
I work in a creative field(music), so I understand to a degree what you mean. But the person that makes the model/texture is going to have a huge hand in what it looks like.
Well Blizz thought the WCII look was a good decision for Starcraft, look how that played out.
Fans won that argument
And they should have. But there is a huge difference between saying "I don't like this, it should be like this" and "You've ruined my game," and "you can't have diablo take place in the fall, its not gothic."
You replied, so obviously it brought your attention too it. I wanted to point it out to put the rest of his post into context. Then context of someone who wants to completely dictate what someone else's creation is.
And I agree that graphics are all fucked up, but you have to be reasonable.
You can't tell blizzard that their product isn't "diablo", they get to decide what diablo is. They own it. ITS THEIRS TO DESIGN.
No, you wanted to bring attention to my statement, not to me. The thing is, it didn't bring attention to what I said as what I said is pretty factual.
A game like Diablo dictates a certain kind of art style. The art style shown is not the art style that a game like Diablo dictates (or deserves). Even further, it's established fact that bright oranges and medium greens don't excite fear, terror, horror, or any other emotion that a title like Diablo dictates.
I'm not dictating anything. The human brain is.
The devs that are working on Diablo 3 had little to nothing to do with Diablo 1 and 2 and it shows. Dramatically. Diablo is as much theirs as it is mine, especially since I own stock in Vivendi (VIV).
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And they should have. But there is a huge difference between saying "I don't like this, it should be like this" and "You've ruined my game," and "you can't have diablo take place in the fall, its not gothic."
It's because Fall is not gothic much like how spring and summer are not gothic. Two epic games have been released that have set the theme of the game. That theme is gothic. Fall is not gothic. The game dictates its own theme and art direction due to past games having that theme and art direction.
who Human Brain? Yours(seeing as how its the only one you are qualified to speak on). Who's Human brain said that you should type that first post you made? Yours. It seems to me, that you are irrespirable from your brain.
The devs that are working on Diablo 3 had little to nothing to do with Diablo 1 and 2 and it shows. Dramatically. Diablo is as much theirs as it is mine, especially since I own stock in Vivendi (VIV).
DIABLO IS AS MUCH YOUR'S AS IT IS THEIR'S? Awesome. You make the "real" Diablo III then. I certain you won't get sued because intellectual property right don't exists.
Its kinda different from music, trust me, im an artist / designer and we get huge, explicit briefings with sketches of how our work should look like, this is really evident in Blizzard because all of the elements of their games are really coherent, especially in 3D models and textures, a 3D modeler just models a sketch and an idea, the model will have some personal characteristics but wont ever get away from the artistic direction guides.
Yeah, I see what you mean. In my case, less informed the person I'm working with, the control I have. However, the more annoying they are to work with.
That doesnt matter because all of the hired artists will work accordingly to what the art director wants, he's the boss, he's the one that tells the artists what kind of feeling and style he wants the game to have, do you understand? The artists are simple workers, they just follow the art director orders and those orders are to copy World of Warcraft style
Maybe the workers can kill him and usurp control !
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It's because Fall is not gothic much like how spring and summer are not gothic. Two epic games have been released that have set the theme of the game. That theme is gothic. Fall is not gothic. The game dictates its own theme and art direction due to past games having that theme and art direction.
Judging by the weather in act one in D2, I would say it takes place in summer/spring.
I don't the content has as much to the tone as the execution. You can draw a bowl of fruit anyway you want, and have it induce any emotion you want, if you are talented artist(something blizzard seems to lack).
He's right, this team has nothing to do with Diablo 1 and 2, not even 1 person from Diablo 1 2 team is working on this one and that had consequences like we can see, that's what he's saying.
No, thats not what he saying. He saying he own's diablo as much as blizzard.
who Human Brain? Yours(seeing as how its the only one you are qualified to speak on). Who's Human brain said that you should type that first post you made? Yours. It seems to me, that you are irrespirable from your brain.
:confused: Really?
Do you know why Disney chose the colors they did for the Whinny the Pooh halloween episode? It's because the human brain (I.E. everybody's) responds to it in a similar manner.
I'll say it again.
Bright orange and medium greens in no way can ever go along with what gothic is.
I'll say this again.
Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 have set a mood, a theme, and an art design for the game. This is similar to how the art design from Warcraft 1 to 2 to 3 didn't change. This is similar to how the art design from Fallout 1 to 2 to 3 didn't change. This is similar to how the art design from Diablo 1 to 2 to... wait a minute...
DIABLO IS AS MUCH YOUR'S AS IT IS THEIR'S? Awesome. You make the "real" Diablo III then. I certain you won't get sued because intellectual property right don't exists.
It's plain to see that you're grasping straws here, but allow me to explain why you don't understand what is going on.
When you buy the stock of a company, you are buying a portion of that company. Because ActivisionBlizzard is a part of Vivendi, and I own Viviendi stock (VIV), I own a part of Blizzard. Because of that, I own a part of Diablo.
The current developers had nothing to do with Diablo 1 and 2. Most of the D1 and D2 devs made a terrible game called Hellgate: London. Because of this, I own just as much of Diablo as they do. I.E. None. What you are suggesting, to put it plainly, is that if I work at a Gibson guitar factory then I created the Les Paul design by proxy, despite the person who made the design originally didn't work for Gibson and me not being alive when the body type was created.
Seriously, you're failing hard as a troll.
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Judging by the weather in act one in D2, I would say it takes place in summer/spring.
I don't the content has as much to the tone as the execution. You can draw a bowl of fruit anyway you want, and have it induce any emotion you want, if you are talented artist(something blizzard seems to lack).
It doesn'tLOOK LIKE IT IS IN THE SUMMER/SPRING.
THAT IS THE POINT.
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No, thats not what he saying. He saying he own's diablo as much as blizzard.
No. I said that I own Diablo as much as the current developers do. I.E. None. I do own a part of the company, though, probably even more than what the current developers do as well.
i dont know...i just get this overwhelming feeling that if the art direction was exactly the same we'd be hearing outcries of OMG BLIZZARD JUST INNOVATE ALREADY IF WE WANTED THE SAME FEEL OF DIABLO 1 AND 2 WE'D GO PLAY THEM STILL.
the fact of the matter is this: the art direction aint changing dramatically. you know they are aware of the EXTREMIST fans this way or no way are being heard on these forums and bnet forums, but the fact is blizzard will meet somewhere in the middle.
i dont expect a major overhaul to the visuals of diablo 3 from what we saw and i dont want it. they will adjust the visuals to be more accomodating to the average diablo franchise fan wanting it more bleaker and gloomy.
so lets stop with the exaggerating claims and end of the world bitching because no one cares that much into it besides you.
and for the record, i hate world of warcraft. ive only played the 10 day trail and after 3 days i was done because i hate the art design, rpg elements, and community. so stop pulling excuses out of your asses to divert my CONCERNS into fanboyism.
which video? there is a list of them.
"[Diablo1+2] obviously had the gothic look to it, but, you they weren't, they weren't very uh, very colorful games."
"We want to take dark as an emotion, rather than an actual color art choice." -Rob Pardo
"Why the hell shouldn't it be for 'kiddies', it's a goddamn game afterall." -lethlan
Because that was the part I wanted to bring attention to.
Nope. No sarcasm. They are ALWAYS hiring artists. They are hiring artists right now as we speak, and I'm betting some of them will work on Diablo III. Because : the artwork right now kind of sucks.
You didn't bring attention to anything though. Quit trying to troll.
You replied, so obviously it brought your attention too it. I wanted to point it out to put the rest of his post into context. Then context of someone who wants to completely dictate what someone else's creation is.
And I agree that graphics are all fucked up, but you have to be reasonable.
You can't tell blizzard that their product isn't "diablo", they get to decide what diablo is. They own it. ITS THEIRS TO DESIGN.
They do have a good reputation of listening to their fanbase so we should assume that the same should happen for us.
Well Blizz thought the WCII look was a good decision for Starcraft, look how that played out.
Fans won that argument
But lets remember, there were much better graphics possible for Diablo II, but what makes Diablo is gameplay and replayability.
Gameplay > Graphics.
I work in a creative field(music), so I understand to a degree what you mean. But the person that makes the model/texture is going to have a huge hand in what it looks like.
And they should have. But there is a huge difference between saying "I don't like this, it should be like this" and "You've ruined my game," and "you can't have diablo take place in the fall, its not gothic."
No, you wanted to bring attention to my statement, not to me. The thing is, it didn't bring attention to what I said as what I said is pretty factual.
A game like Diablo dictates a certain kind of art style. The art style shown is not the art style that a game like Diablo dictates (or deserves). Even further, it's established fact that bright oranges and medium greens don't excite fear, terror, horror, or any other emotion that a title like Diablo dictates.
I'm not dictating anything. The human brain is.
The devs that are working on Diablo 3 had little to nothing to do with Diablo 1 and 2 and it shows. Dramatically. Diablo is as much theirs as it is mine, especially since I own stock in Vivendi (VIV).
It's because Fall is not gothic much like how spring and summer are not gothic. Two epic games have been released that have set the theme of the game. That theme is gothic. Fall is not gothic. The game dictates its own theme and art direction due to past games having that theme and art direction.
who Human Brain? Yours(seeing as how its the only one you are qualified to speak on). Who's Human brain said that you should type that first post you made? Yours. It seems to me, that you are irrespirable from your brain.
DIABLO IS AS MUCH YOUR'S AS IT IS THEIR'S? Awesome. You make the "real" Diablo III then. I certain you won't get sued because intellectual property right don't exists.
Yeah, I see what you mean. In my case, less informed the person I'm working with, the control I have. However, the more annoying they are to work with.
Maybe the workers can kill him and usurp control !
Judging by the weather in act one in D2, I would say it takes place in summer/spring.
I don't the content has as much to the tone as the execution. You can draw a bowl of fruit anyway you want, and have it induce any emotion you want, if you are talented artist(something blizzard seems to lack).
No, thats not what he saying. He saying he own's diablo as much as blizzard.
:confused: Really?
Do you know why Disney chose the colors they did for the Whinny the Pooh halloween episode? It's because the human brain (I.E. everybody's) responds to it in a similar manner.
I'll say it again.
Bright orange and medium greens in no way can ever go along with what gothic is.
I'll say this again.
Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 have set a mood, a theme, and an art design for the game. This is similar to how the art design from Warcraft 1 to 2 to 3 didn't change. This is similar to how the art design from Fallout 1 to 2 to 3 didn't change. This is similar to how the art design from Diablo 1 to 2 to... wait a minute...
It's plain to see that you're grasping straws here, but allow me to explain why you don't understand what is going on.
When you buy the stock of a company, you are buying a portion of that company. Because ActivisionBlizzard is a part of Vivendi, and I own Viviendi stock (VIV), I own a part of Blizzard. Because of that, I own a part of Diablo.
The current developers had nothing to do with Diablo 1 and 2. Most of the D1 and D2 devs made a terrible game called Hellgate: London. Because of this, I own just as much of Diablo as they do. I.E. None. What you are suggesting, to put it plainly, is that if I work at a Gibson guitar factory then I created the Les Paul design by proxy, despite the person who made the design originally didn't work for Gibson and me not being alive when the body type was created.
Seriously, you're failing hard as a troll.
It doesn't LOOK LIKE IT IS IN THE SUMMER/SPRING.
THAT IS THE POINT.
No. I said that I own Diablo as much as the current developers do. I.E. None. I do own a part of the company, though, probably even more than what the current developers do as well.
the fact of the matter is this: the art direction aint changing dramatically. you know they are aware of the EXTREMIST fans this way or no way are being heard on these forums and bnet forums, but the fact is blizzard will meet somewhere in the middle.
i dont expect a major overhaul to the visuals of diablo 3 from what we saw and i dont want it. they will adjust the visuals to be more accomodating to the average diablo franchise fan wanting it more bleaker and gloomy.
so lets stop with the exaggerating claims and end of the world bitching because no one cares that much into it besides you.
and for the record, i hate world of warcraft. ive only played the 10 day trail and after 3 days i was done because i hate the art design, rpg elements, and community. so stop pulling excuses out of your asses to divert my CONCERNS into fanboyism.
Sign for a Darker Art Direction in the dungeons/caves/etc.
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