Quote: For a game like diablo a more detailed and precise art direction is more appealing than the painted washed out art direction it currently has.
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Are you talking about D1 and D2 ? or D3 ?If you are talking about D3 then you must be looking at a different game than I am then because I dont see that at all !!
You must not have eyes to see at all...
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
I wonder guys when do you realize that a 3D game WILL look cartoony unless it's really detailed which will kill most computers? Or that stuff just doesn't get to you?
I wonder guys when do you realize that a 3D game WILL look cartoony unless it's really detailed which will kill most computers? Or that stuff just doesn't get to you?
Maybe you can't get it that I don't give a flying fuck if it kills your computer.
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
I wonder guys when do you realize that a 3D game WILL look cartoony unless it's really detailed which will kill most computers? Or that stuff just doesn't get to you?
The fact many ppl on these forums have made the game look much better by just messing around on photoshop proves that its a bunch of simple changes. It's not the whole graphics engine that needs a revamp, it's the art style, which, as everyone can see, is not that hard to do.
Quote: For a game like diablo a more detailed and precise art direction is more appealing than the painted washed out art direction it currently has.
You must not have eyes to see at all...
so the art design you currently see for diablo 3 does not look like it was painted and it looks very detailed and has precise/distinct lines on each objects?
or are you looking at the AFTER fan manipulated art?
The fact many ppl on these forums have made the game look much better by just messing around on photoshop proves that its a bunch of simple changes.
No, that actually proves that people have no idea how graphics are made at all. You keep using sharp edges on those screens and that would take a lot more polygons in 3D. It's easy to operate with 2D. It's easy to put a tint on a static picture. But when it comes to models and lighting and performance it gets much more complicated.
The most notable complaint can be addressed to the 2D background on which the game is played. It may be modified. Everything else is not really that simple. You say the armor is too bulky - try to make a model that has curves, is not bulky, and doesn't have too many polygons. You'll end up with a bulky model or a high-polygon model, or a compromise, which is what most 3D game kinda strive for.
Now, maybe you don't care about buying a super computer for Diablo III, some people do, and that's to whom Blizzard will sell.
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ORLY?
Here's 3D without cartoony for yal...
This is Lord of the rings online. This baby runs on steampower, so please rethink you answer
I have to say after messing around, the really major problem about the current graphics is them being washed out... Notice how in my "manipulations" the colors remain warm and strong, so all you guys screaming "we dont want a grey game", can shut up now, its now about being grey
I just hope Blizzard sees this...
I like it but some of the textures would have to be changed, too.
Such as the rocks on the side, for example. Way too washed out and... Just blend looking.
im a 3D modeler and artist, i know how games are made and i know there's serious flaws in the Diablo 3 engine and in their art style.
Great. Then give me a 3D Diablo-like scene the way you want to see it... and make sure it's low-poly, too. Not photoshoped images with fabricated sharp edges... anyone can do that.
Super computer? What the fuck, this game graphics are like 6 years old, its completely outdated and im absolutely sure they can add a shit load of more technologies without pushing the computer, im a 3D modeler and artist, i know how games are made and i know there's serious flaws in the Diablo 3 engine and in their art style.
QFT
Its already outdated from the technical stand point and it won't be out until 2010 most likely..super computer my ass
You are obviously clueless about art. Anyone that has the slightest insight into art can tell the difference. So I wont bother arguing, I think those who listen already got my point anyway. The way I changed contrast actually makes the colors more vivid than they were before, how can you not see it? To say all I did was degrade and desaturate shows your ignorance on the subject. Ah well, next.
Diablo 3 is not art.
You simply cannot do all the things you are doing in photoshop to a videogame. you cant desaturate and all that crap to 60 frames in a second.
I wonder guys when do you realize that a 3D game WILL look cartoony unless it's really detailed which will kill most computers? Or that stuff just doesn't get to you?
Does Oblivion kill your computer?
Even if there are tons of monsters, Oblivion is pretty easy to handle on an average system.
And that's in 2005.
Diablo 3 won't be out till at least 2010.
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"[Diablo1+2] obviously had the gothic look to it, but, you they weren't, they weren't very uh, very colorful games."
"We want to take dark as an emotion, rather than an actual color art choice." -Rob Pardo
"Why the hell shouldn't it be for 'kiddies', it's a goddamn game afterall." -lethlan
Now, maybe you don't care about buying a super computer for Diablo III, some people do, and that's to whom Blizzard will sell.
This is where you are correct.
Blizzard does not give a shit that D3 has graphics from 2002, b/c it will sell to more people.
Diablo fans are still disappointed in shitty graphics.
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"[Diablo1+2] obviously had the gothic look to it, but, you they weren't, they weren't very uh, very colorful games."
"We want to take dark as an emotion, rather than an actual color art choice." -Rob Pardo
"Why the hell shouldn't it be for 'kiddies', it's a goddamn game afterall." -lethlan
Obvlivion is a TPS perspective game. It doesn't have 100 monsters on screen. 5+ monsters in screen in Oblivion pretty much cause a deadly slow down. On max settings, of course. It also has a bit of faulty optimization and it has minor memory leaks, so it's not too easy to see how optimized it is, really.
And the screen you showed me looks horrible???
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Diablo 3 won't be out till at least 2010.
And there are tons of Diablo II players who still sit on extremely old computers. Diablo III will be made available. The computer I have now will be able to play it (although I will buy a new one, but for SCII not Diablo III). That's the point of these low graphics.
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lpick up any recent game
a) All games that I can pick up slow down on my computer at max settings. All of htem. All of them are REALLY horrible at handling big masses of enemies.
No, that actually proves that people have no idea how graphics are made at all. You keep using sharp edges on those screens and that would take a lot more polygons in 3D. It's easy to operate with 2D. It's easy to put a tint on a static picture. But when it comes to models and lighting and performance it gets much more complicated.
Post processing techniques made things extremely easy in the last few years.
if you douches are suggesting Blizzard forgets its model of making this game as readily available as possible to current d2 players with comp specs, then get the fuck off these forums.
I am a student working and living on my own and i cant afford a EDITED *$800 rig.
All blizzard needs to do is give the game a less painted look and make it a lot bleaker in the caves/dungeons etc areas. thats it, you are all getting out of hand with your suggestions on both sides of the arguement. Blizzard is smart they will meet somewhere in the middle like ive suggested, keeping this new artisticly driven look but making it a little more eerie and dark in atmosphere.
and who cares if the graphics are outdated, last i checked that didnt infringe on people playing diablo 2 still. shit im planning on repurchaseing the game within this upcoming week because i cant find it anymore.
you people are morons. The specific rig im getting is not important. the POINT is there are man ypeople out there that cannot/do not plan on buying $1000 or even a entry level $400 computer just for this game.
its ridiculous for you to even suggest that. so stop focusing on that and focus on the arguement.
It's an FPS engine. It's made for that perspective, and that perspective could always handle more than top down can... please give me a top down engine with a big amount of monsters that doesn't slow down on max graphics for computers 3 years old.
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Extremely old computers? Do you know what kind of computer Diablo 2 required? Do you really think there's still people with P2, no 3D acceleration and 64MB of RAM around? What the hell is wrong with you? This is 2008, not 1998, that's a really stupid and ignorant argument.
I got Diablo II when it came out. My computer at that time was crap. The game ran fine. SC ran fine. No slow downs at all, nothing.
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You seem to know much about what Blizzard wants and seem very familiar with their design ideas. Maybe you were part of their developing team?
Oh, please don't restrain yourself from quoting 'crap' pictures! I love hearing your comments.
Quote: For a game like diablo a more detailed and precise art direction is more appealing than the painted washed out art direction it currently has.
You must not have eyes to see at all...
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The fact many ppl on these forums have made the game look much better by just messing around on photoshop proves that its a bunch of simple changes. It's not the whole graphics engine that needs a revamp, it's the art style, which, as everyone can see, is not that hard to do.
so the art design you currently see for diablo 3 does not look like it was painted and it looks very detailed and has precise/distinct lines on each objects?
or are you looking at the AFTER fan manipulated art?
Sign for a Darker Art Direction in the dungeons/caves/etc.
www.myspace.com/mariocamillo
www.youtube.com/mariospeedwagon
The most notable complaint can be addressed to the 2D background on which the game is played. It may be modified. Everything else is not really that simple. You say the armor is too bulky - try to make a model that has curves, is not bulky, and doesn't have too many polygons. You'll end up with a bulky model or a high-polygon model, or a compromise, which is what most 3D game kinda strive for.
Now, maybe you don't care about buying a super computer for Diablo III, some people do, and that's to whom Blizzard will sell.Yeah, with TPS perspective, great example...
I like it but some of the textures would have to be changed, too.
Such as the rocks on the side, for example. Way too washed out and... Just blend looking.
Good job.
QFT
Its already outdated from the technical stand point and it won't be out until 2010 most likely..super computer my ass
You simply cannot do all the things you are doing in photoshop to a videogame. you cant desaturate and all that crap to 60 frames in a second.
Does Oblivion kill your computer?
Even if there are tons of monsters, Oblivion is pretty easy to handle on an average system.
And that's in 2005.
Diablo 3 won't be out till at least 2010.
"[Diablo1+2] obviously had the gothic look to it, but, you they weren't, they weren't very uh, very colorful games."
"We want to take dark as an emotion, rather than an actual color art choice." -Rob Pardo
"Why the hell shouldn't it be for 'kiddies', it's a goddamn game afterall." -lethlan
This is where you are correct.
Blizzard does not give a shit that D3 has graphics from 2002, b/c it will sell to more people.
Diablo fans are still disappointed in shitty graphics.
"[Diablo1+2] obviously had the gothic look to it, but, you they weren't, they weren't very uh, very colorful games."
"We want to take dark as an emotion, rather than an actual color art choice." -Rob Pardo
"Why the hell shouldn't it be for 'kiddies', it's a goddamn game afterall." -lethlan
And the screen you showed me looks horrible???
And there are tons of Diablo II players who still sit on extremely old computers. Diablo III will be made available. The computer I have now will be able to play it (although I will buy a new one, but for SCII not Diablo III). That's the point of these low graphics.a) All games that I can pick up slow down on my computer at max settings. All of htem.
Post processing techniques made things extremely easy in the last few years.
Look at the Unreal Engine, for example.
gameplay > graphics
if you douches are suggesting Blizzard forgets its model of making this game as readily available as possible to current d2 players with comp specs, then get the fuck off these forums.
I am a student working and living on my own and i cant afford a EDITED *$800 rig.
All blizzard needs to do is give the game a less painted look and make it a lot bleaker in the caves/dungeons etc areas. thats it, you are all getting out of hand with your suggestions on both sides of the arguement. Blizzard is smart they will meet somewhere in the middle like ive suggested, keeping this new artisticly driven look but making it a little more eerie and dark in atmosphere.
and who cares if the graphics are outdated, last i checked that didnt infringe on people playing diablo 2 still. shit im planning on repurchaseing the game within this upcoming week because i cant find it anymore.
you people are morons. The specific rig im getting is not important. the POINT is there are man ypeople out there that cannot/do not plan on buying $1000 or even a entry level $400 computer just for this game.
its ridiculous for you to even suggest that. so stop focusing on that and focus on the arguement.
Sign for a Darker Art Direction in the dungeons/caves/etc.
www.myspace.com/mariocamillo
www.youtube.com/mariospeedwagon