But my question is because I want to play something that doesn't require me or ALLOW me to just Blade Storm through a ton of enemies at once that's too simple, I wanna play a new class with a little more complexity and fun.
But my question is because I want to play something that doesn't require me or ALLOW me to just Blade Storm through a ton of enemies at once that's too simple, I wanna play a new class with a little more complexity and fun.
are you kidding me ? really no offense but you are at T1, you have not tried a single set, not a single combination of build, did you even try t 6 now in game, it's a breeze for many players , try you DH at GR 40,50+ you will have enough of complexity and fun , thrust me
I haven't tried a set because I only have one 2 piece of a 6 piece set and its an elite kill set. And you are wrong I have tried different combo's of builds. My build is basically Nats Set with hatred regeneration and CD reduction, and yes I have tried t6, its a joke, my level of gear cannot even handle t6. I never said DH wasn't complex i've played it since launch but I lost interest way before RoS came out.
Wizzards get very annoying to play with tal'rasha. Especially because the tal'rasha buff isn't even visible half of the time.
Damage in high lvl rifts isn't easy to max.
Rule 1: Always keep 4 stacks of tal'rasha (this means refreshing stacks every 6 seconds)
Rule 2: Always have your focus and restrain proc up (refresh at least once per 5 seconds)
Rule 3: Always have 5 stacks of arcane dynamo when you place a hydra
Rule 4: Fit ~2 arcane meteors (with 5 stacks of arcane dynamo) between the 6 seconds of your tal'rasha stacks sitting at 4 and ensure it doesnt land just as your stacks fall off.
All these rotations while also keeping an eye on your environment and keep as much range from the mobs as possible to maximise your Zeis gem get quite cluncky and hard to maximise to be honest.
hardest to progress doesnt mean hard to play.. u play wd pet build u will find it very hard to break through gr 43 without smk / DoD ancient, unlike dh any 2h bow as long as its ancient + 12 disc maximum u will be fine.
Quote from SpiretsjumpI haven't tried a set because I only have one 2 piece of a 6 piece set and its an elite kill set. And you are wrong I have tried different combo's of builds. My build is basically Nats Set with hatred regeneration and CD reduction, and yes I have tried t6, its a joke, my level of gear cannot even handle t6. I never said DH wasn't complex i've played it since launch but I lost interest way before RoS came out.
I mean no offense friend, but your build is not "Basically Nats". You don't have the belt, you don't have any of the Nat's pieces, you're using Elemental Arrow and Vengeance, and you're using the wrong runes on Companion and Evasive Fire. If your build is "basically Nats" then your build is "basically M6 or UE" as well.
Honestly your best bet to quickly gear up is to join a T6 public rift game and leech. Let the other people kill it for you. Spend shards on slots that will reward you with whatever set you want to build for, etc. etc. etc. Once you have a set in place (any DH set really) you should be able to immediately jump to the high 30s solo grifting, and if you pick up your Focus and Restraint rings along the way you should be able to jump to the mid 40s, all with overall crappy rolls on your set pieces simply because the set bonuses are so incredibly powerful they make up for it.
Quote from SpiretsjumpI haven't tried a set because I only have one 2 piece of a 6 piece set and its an elite kill set. And you are wrong I have tried different combo's of builds. My build is basically Nats Set with hatred regeneration and CD reduction, and yes I have tried t6, its a joke, my level of gear cannot even handle t6. I never said DH wasn't complex i've played it since launch but I lost interest way before RoS came out.
I mean no offense friend, but your build is not "Basically Nats". You don't have the belt, you don't have any of the Nat's pieces, you're using Elemental Arrow and Vengeance, and you're using the wrong runes on Companion and Evasive Fire. If your build is "basically Nats" then your build is "basically M6 or UE" as well.
Honestly your best bet to quickly gear up is to join a T6 public rift game and leech. Let the other people kill it for you. Spend shards on slots that will reward you with whatever set you want to build for, etc. etc. etc. Once you have a set in place (any DH set really) you should be able to immediately jump to the high 30s solo grifting, and if you pick up your Focus and Restraint rings along the way you should be able to jump to the mid 40s, all with overall crappy rolls on your set pieces simply because the set bonuses are so incredibly powerful they make up for it.
I didn't mean "basically Nats" by having Pieces, some of nats set bonus's are provided by some of my pieces like CD reduction on rain of vengeance via hatred usage, i don't get a buff from RoV like you Do with 6pc Nat. So RoV just gets to be used a lot. I use the Bat because my CD reduction also works on it as well, i have a great supply of Hatred, its nice.
I didn't mean "basically Nats" by having Pieces, some of nats set bonus's are provided by some of my pieces like CD reduction on rain of vengeance via hatred usage, i don't get a buff from RoV like you Do with 6pc Nat. So RoV just gets to be used a lot. I use the Bat because my CD reduction also works on it as well, i have a great supply of Hatred, its nice.
PS Telling me to Get carried is kinda bad advice.
Meh. Bad advice would be telling you to sit around and play in T1. Just the other day I was running a public rift with a DH who was only paragon level 30 or so. Crappy gear, effectively worthless, died often, but at the end of the game he walked away with three pieces of Nats and 2 pieces of Marauders that I didn't need.
Not to mention with such a low paragon level, every T6 rift is going to give you 2 or more paragon levels, once again helping get you to the point of the game that's more interesting.
But alas, if that's bad advice, then so be it. I'll stand by it. Game's terribly boring imo sub T6 (and to be perfectly clear, T6 is boring but you do what you got to do to get greater rift keystones)
I was going to offer to do runs with you as well, but I'm not a god like Necroman. At most I would be able to carry you through low 40s if you wanted (or just t6 speed rifts). You can add me @ redriot#1656 if you want. Also, it would be on a barb - so no loot sharing useful gear for your DH.
At the end You will be playing the class You more enjoy. Not the hardest one...
Every class ends pushing higher GRs with its own mechanics, high GRs are difficult in many aspects, every class is strong against some aspects, and weak against other ones.
Just think "how do i want to kill mobs?":
- from 5 kilometers away? DH
- Spamming fire, cold, lightning sh*t? wiz
- feeding my dogs? wd
- hitting them like Pacquiao did vs Floyd? BARB/Monk
I don't think a single class is harder than another. There are builds within classes that will require specific skills. Others not so much. Progression has little to do with how much damage you do either. Look at the support builds, they progress very far into grifts without doing much damage.
That being said, WD has some very tough builds. The nerf to Spirit Walk has ruined some of their builds. The Jade was always very squishy, but did a lot of damage if you could get the keystrokes down. But most feel it isn't worth doing if you die. I tried the Jade build, didn't like it much. But the Karnevil build was a lot of fun. I haven't tried since the Zuni set went 6 piece. Plus you can get the little man's finger for extra damage.
So picking a class probably isn't what you should be looking to do. I prefer looking at builds to see if I like the playstyle. That being said, I keep going back to DH. It's just fun for me. I like bashing monsters in the face. Crusader is my next favorite probably because you can vary your style a lot by swapping out gear. While sets do play a role with crusader, having a couple of items equipped will change the playstyle from using shields or hammer.
Just play something you like. Don't worry about Hard or Easy. You'll be happiest doing what you like.
spirets RIP...you were asking for help we were there....team lootshare 50+-60+ are your friends...to gear......with seasons theres no shortage of gg players loking for get into 65s. and many of us here to help you....most of the group for diablofans arent casual players...and if they are i/we try to be best they can be....except some run cows 3 days later...., dont share t6 cow rift and run and test useless gems......if you want to hit leaderboards....and shitshoot 50+ i think u shud look outside the box...stick in t4 in seasons...because seasonal isnt about competing or anything.....theres no secret firebombs/zombie bears and rapid fire dh that will do anything but die and do no dps...vanillas teached us that!
um you wanted me to get a carry by you and trade shit away, nope, i'm good, i never asked for help by carry, you came to the wrong thread.
Just finished completing the "current best setups" with all classes yesterday.
Barb and WD by far require the least input/brain and at the same time are imo the most consistent (rift map/monsters matter the least).
Wizard and monk are the next, at first they take some time to get used to, but then its just automatic faceroll, but they are less consistent (monsters matter more).
Crusader - requires one to really think about what hes doing and even then it can be quite challenging based on monsters one gets.
DH - imo by far the most difficult one to handle (natalya), requiring lots of buttonmashing (and not mindless, but rather precise) and at the same time being quite dependant on what rift one gets.
When it comes to how much gear dependant they are - i have really shitty WD items and in terms of consistency and simplicity of play it still outperforms pretty much everything imo (i dont give a fuck about spending a week fishing for one rift, i evaluate the classes/builds by what rift they can do 90+% of the time). The same goes for barb/monk which can do 45 consistently with shitty gear that i have while with DH with which i have the best gear overall its still possible to not do 45 if i get some retarded rift. Crusader/wiz are just behind DH in that regard.
So WD > barb > monk > wiz > crusader > DH.
interesting set up for most difficult to least. just about anyone i have spoken to have said Barb/DH are brainless
I currently play a Demon Hunter and I'm just about to hit T1, and right now i'm mowing down enemies with my current build.
If you wanna see the build here - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Spiretspvp-1873/hero/61779506
But my question is because I want to play something that doesn't require me or ALLOW me to just Blade Storm through a ton of enemies at once that's too simple, I wanna play a new class with a little more complexity and fun.
Natalyas set seems a fun option for farming AND pushing Grs, it's also quite satisfying to play!
Have to say Wizards and Crusaders are the hardest, with Barbarians and Demon Hunters being the easiest., from the group GR perspective.
I haven't tried a set because I only have one 2 piece of a 6 piece set and its an elite kill set. And you are wrong I have tried different combo's of builds. My build is basically Nats Set with hatred regeneration and CD reduction, and yes I have tried t6, its a joke, my level of gear cannot even handle t6. I never said DH wasn't complex i've played it since launch but I lost interest way before RoS came out.
Wizzards get very annoying to play with tal'rasha. Especially because the tal'rasha buff isn't even visible half of the time.
Damage in high lvl rifts isn't easy to max.
Rule 1: Always keep 4 stacks of tal'rasha (this means refreshing stacks every 6 seconds)
Rule 2: Always have your focus and restrain proc up (refresh at least once per 5 seconds)
Rule 3: Always have 5 stacks of arcane dynamo when you place a hydra
Rule 4: Fit ~2 arcane meteors (with 5 stacks of arcane dynamo) between the 6 seconds of your tal'rasha stacks sitting at 4 and ensure it doesnt land just as your stacks fall off.
All these rotations while also keeping an eye on your environment and keep as much range from the mobs as possible to maximise your Zeis gem get quite cluncky and hard to maximise to be honest.
Hardest class to progress(solo) = witch doctor > crusader
Easiest class to progress(solo) =DH>wizard>monk
In term of "complexity" I think =Witch doctor > any class that able to use 1hand/1hand
WD's are not hard to play, specially pet builds, but y, i agree that they are more complex than barbs...
Those Who Do Not Know True Pain Cannot Possibly Understand True Peace...
hardest to progress doesnt mean hard to play.. u play wd pet build u will find it very hard to break through gr 43 without smk / DoD ancient, unlike dh any 2h bow as long as its ancient + 12 disc maximum u will be fine.
I mean no offense friend, but your build is not "Basically Nats". You don't have the belt, you don't have any of the Nat's pieces, you're using Elemental Arrow and Vengeance, and you're using the wrong runes on Companion and Evasive Fire. If your build is "basically Nats" then your build is "basically M6 or UE" as well.
Honestly your best bet to quickly gear up is to join a T6 public rift game and leech. Let the other people kill it for you. Spend shards on slots that will reward you with whatever set you want to build for, etc. etc. etc. Once you have a set in place (any DH set really) you should be able to immediately jump to the high 30s solo grifting, and if you pick up your Focus and Restraint rings along the way you should be able to jump to the mid 40s, all with overall crappy rolls on your set pieces simply because the set bonuses are so incredibly powerful they make up for it.
I didn't mean "basically Nats" by having Pieces, some of nats set bonus's are provided by some of my pieces like CD reduction on rain of vengeance via hatred usage, i don't get a buff from RoV like you Do with 6pc Nat. So RoV just gets to be used a lot. I use the Bat because my CD reduction also works on it as well, i have a great supply of Hatred, its nice.
PS Telling me to Get carried is kinda bad advice.
Meh. Bad advice would be telling you to sit around and play in T1. Just the other day I was running a public rift with a DH who was only paragon level 30 or so. Crappy gear, effectively worthless, died often, but at the end of the game he walked away with three pieces of Nats and 2 pieces of Marauders that I didn't need.
Not to mention with such a low paragon level, every T6 rift is going to give you 2 or more paragon levels, once again helping get you to the point of the game that's more interesting.
But alas, if that's bad advice, then so be it. I'll stand by it. Game's terribly boring imo sub T6 (and to be perfectly clear, T6 is boring but you do what you got to do to get greater rift keystones)
I was going to offer to do runs with you as well, but I'm not a god like Necroman. At most I would be able to carry you through low 40s if you wanted (or just t6 speed rifts). You can add me @ redriot#1656 if you want. Also, it would be on a barb - so no loot sharing useful gear for your DH.
At the end You will be playing the class You more enjoy. Not the hardest one...
Every class ends pushing higher GRs with its own mechanics, high GRs are difficult in many aspects, every class is strong against some aspects, and weak against other ones.
Just think "how do i want to kill mobs?":
- from 5 kilometers away? DH
- Spamming fire, cold, lightning sh*t? wiz
- feeding my dogs? wd
- hitting them like Pacquiao did vs Floyd? BARB/Monk
- shield bashing? crus
I don't think a single class is harder than another. There are builds within classes that will require specific skills. Others not so much. Progression has little to do with how much damage you do either. Look at the support builds, they progress very far into grifts without doing much damage.
That being said, WD has some very tough builds. The nerf to Spirit Walk has ruined some of their builds. The Jade was always very squishy, but did a lot of damage if you could get the keystrokes down. But most feel it isn't worth doing if you die. I tried the Jade build, didn't like it much. But the Karnevil build was a lot of fun. I haven't tried since the Zuni set went 6 piece. Plus you can get the little man's finger for extra damage.
So picking a class probably isn't what you should be looking to do. I prefer looking at builds to see if I like the playstyle. That being said, I keep going back to DH. It's just fun for me. I like bashing monsters in the face. Crusader is my next favorite probably because you can vary your style a lot by swapping out gear. While sets do play a role with crusader, having a couple of items equipped will change the playstyle from using shields or hammer.
Just play something you like. Don't worry about Hard or Easy. You'll be happiest doing what you like.
I don't accept carries unless it is with real id friends and they are just helping me boost to 70 the rest i do my self.
Just started t1 yesterday its a bit harder than master, i might bump to t4 to make it a lil more of a challenge.
I appreciate all the feedback i have received i think i'm going to push my Crusader on my D3 down time from my DH
um you wanted me to get a carry by you and trade shit away, nope, i'm good, i never asked for help by carry, you came to the wrong thread.
interesting set up for most difficult to least. just about anyone i have spoken to have said Barb/DH are brainless
barb and DH should be the easiest class. I personally think Crusader requires the most controlling and planning.