In terms of xp /hour. Dual wielding is far superior to a skorn. Max performance is done on mp1-3 depending on gear. And at those mp levels its imposible for you to maintain 100% uptime on wotb with a two hander. Which hurt your xp gain per hour alot.
And before you say it. No running mp5 or 6 cannot reach the ammounts of xp, you get doing on low mp dual wield.
You are actually wrong.
Best exp/h is mp0 with 2h. Passive fury generation from set and passive, not using wotb, not wasting time on keeping it up (no bash, no primary skill). Insta killing elitepacks with leap/overpower combo. This can give you about 100m/h of exp with proper stats.
In terms of xp /hour. Dual wielding is far superior to a skorn. Max performance is done on mp1-3 depending on gear. And at those mp levels its imposible for you to maintain 100% uptime on wotb with a two hander. Which hurt your xp gain per hour alot.
And before you say it. No running mp5 or 6 cannot reach the ammounts of xp, you get doing on low mp dual wield.
You are actually wrong.
Best exp/h is mp0 with 2h. Passive fury generation from set and passive, not using wotb, not wasting time on keeping it up (no bash, no primary skill). Insta killing elitepacks with leap/overpower combo. This can give you about 100m/h of exp with proper stats.
DW is cheaper and has more dps since WW spec scales so well with haste, the constant +50% movementspeed from sprint make WW DW spec alot more effective than any Skorn spec.
Not true. MP0 with skorn and just "Best exp/h is mp0 with 2h. Passive fury generation from set and passive, not using wotb, not wasting time on keeping it up (no bash, no primary skill). Insta killing elitepacks with leap/overpower combo. This can give you about 100m/h of exp with proper stats." is faster than any ww build xp per hour wise.
The amount of blasphemy in this thread is disgusting, this really shows that everyone that wanted an easy way to farm switched to the barb and has just about minimal or no knowledge of the class whatsoever.
In terms of xp /hour. Dual wielding is far superior to a skorn. Max performance is done on mp1-3 depending on gear. And at those mp levels its imposible for you to maintain 100% uptime on wotb with a two hander. Which hurt your xp gain per hour alot.
And before you say it. No running mp5 or 6 cannot reach the ammounts of xp, you get doing on low mp dual wield.
You are actually wrong.
Best exp/h is mp0 with 2h. Passive fury generation from set and passive, not using wotb, not wasting time on keeping it up (no bash, no primary skill). Insta killing elitepacks with leap/overpower combo. This can give you about 100m/h of exp with proper stats.
DW is cheaper and has more dps since WW spec scales so well with haste, the constant +50% movementspeed from sprint make WW DW spec alot more effective than any Skorn spec.
Not true. MP0 with skorn and just "Best exp/h is mp0 with 2h. Passive fury generation from set and passive, not using wotb, not wasting time on keeping it up (no bash, no primary skill). Insta killing elitepacks with leap/overpower combo. This can give you about 100m/h of exp with proper stats." is faster than any ww build xp per hour wise.
Exactly that. I still prefer tornado WW build simple because you never stop to cast anything, tornados one shot everyone behind you (white mobs), a couple of WW easily kills elites for me on MP2, with 2 rage gen passives i have very minimal issues with rage, if you wish no rage issues at all get IK x 5. 6-7 min clears of MP2.
With 1 handers my tornadoes are not going to guaranteed kill every white mob = i'll have to either make u-turns to finish them off (is a waste of time) or i'll just leave them alive or i move down to MP1 or even 0. None of those steps are optimal = there is absolutely no reason i will be switching to 1 handers for farming low MPs any time soon.
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Honestly, I think Skorn is superior to 1 handers for high MP uber/key farming as well, simply because the most efficient way to do that at this point is just to spam HotA. For ubers now I literally just hold down left click for HotA - Smash and with only 1.45 attack speed including WOTB I am able to keep permanent WOTB uptime doing nothing else and output 1.3mil dps.
The only skills you actually need there are HotA, Battle Rage and Thrive on Chaos. I only keep the sprint/WW combo in order to farm the 5 NV stacks faster, but if you have somebody else finding the elites for you or something you could drop them both for Rend/Overpower and increase your DPS.
Skorn is good to begin with ,I started with skorn too ,and it was big numbers ,indeed ,but not as nearly as effective and fast as good 1handers. That's why good skorn is 50m and good 1 handers are 300m.
This. This is the main factor. Yes, you can get a good skorn for 50m (or a decent one for 15m). And good 1handers cost you 600m (300 each), while decent 1handers cost you 30 to 60 millions (15 to 30 each).
The fun part, is you get exactly the same results from both, if you are focusing on leveling up your Paragon level. Sure, for guys in the 90s to 100 paragon, it's kinda obsolet. But for everyone else, there's no difference, AT ALL. I use a Skorn in my regular MP0-1 Alkaizer run, and I can sprint constantly, I kill every pack of mobs in one single pass of WW, and I kill the elite packs in 5s (during the stun of Stomp). In lot of cases, I charge through the packs, killing them faster than with WW (because of faster movement) and I get rage to sprint to the next pack. I could spend 300 millions to buy two one handers, and I'd not get a increase in XP per hour in MP 0-1. So what's the point? I'd rather use that gold in other pieces of my gear.
To the OP, there's no doubt that DW is mostly the top end. Just like Rolls Royce is the best car. That doesn't mean you should save for a Rolls Royce, instead of buying a BMW or Mercedes. Specially, if your suit isn't a Versace yet.
Skorn is slower, and thus have less overall DPS in Tornados. But I only use WWnado build to farm XP and items in low MP, and in those MP, a single Tornado with my build kill any regular white mob. So what's the point? You won't kill the mob *twice* if you DW anyways. And while Skorn have issues with the 'nados, it also have better return for some other skills. For example, Rend from Skorn are much much much better than Rend from DW. Charge/merciless assault also do more damage, and with HOTA it's easier to keep a full rage bar with a slow weapon if you don't have 300 million SoJ and Mara, because you need to spam less HotA for the same overall damage.
The thing is, when you dual wield, you can keep wotb up 100%. This means you always have the extra 20% movement speed wotb grants.. You cannot so with a Skorn. And that costs you alot in terms of efficiency.
Say "But for everyone else, there's no difference, AT ALL" is a complete lie. There is a huge difference. And that difference i explained you above. And you price numbers are also complete wrong. You can get a good mighty wep for less than 10m and then you take a decent echoing fury for 40m or so. And tada then you spend 50m on weapons, which is the same as a decent skorn. Your just are much quicker and efficient farmer, compared to the people fooling around with a Skorn.
1 decent mighty weapon is still less than 10m gold and for 40 mill, you can get a decent fury. There you got it. A better weapon setup than any skorn. You dont need 2x 1b one handers for DW to work. It can be done with less than 50m. And with 50m worth of one handers you can reach an xp per hour no skorn ww'er can compete with.
it is much harder to sustain wotb with 2h, against single target.
Yes, superstition is a big part of it. I completely disagree about not keeping it up vs. ZK/siege though, I have no trouble keeping 100% WOTB uptime in that fight. There are his fireballs as well as his tornadoes. The other thing is, the spec I linked and used is hybrid so if you get low on fury another option is to just sprint/WW for a couple of seconds to drop a bunch of tornadoes on the boss which will fill up your fury as you go back to spamming HotA. In the ZK/Siege fight this is particularly easy because Siegebreaker is huge and spends a lot of time standing still in your tornadoes.
Against actual packs when you are getting your stacks its never a problem either, because they will either have molten or arcane or whatever or since there are multiples and probably trash around you can just drop a couple of tornadoes.
So I understand that in pure theory this its difficult to keep HotA up, but in reality its quite easy.
1 decent mighty weapon is still less than 10m gold and for 40 mill, you can get a decent fury. There you got it. A better weapon setup than any skorn. You dont need 2x 1b one handers for DW to work. It can be done with less than 50m. And with 50m worth of one handers you can reach an xp per hour no skorn ww'er can compete with.
Also here is a video from one of the top geared barbs in the game explaining the efficiency of using a 2 hander rend build for farming: http://www.twitch.tv/cdxliv/c/1747935
Btw as for skorn builds.
Pretty much all high end top heroscore guys use dual wield setups with EF.
I wonder if it is possible to come close to this with just very good skorn. Also what skorn would be better, ias one or life steal.
I was refering to the ww barb using a skorn.
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Not true. MP0 with skorn and just "Best exp/h is mp0 with 2h. Passive fury generation from set and passive, not using wotb, not wasting time on keeping it up (no bash, no primary skill). Insta killing elitepacks with leap/overpower combo. This can give you about 100m/h of exp with proper stats." is faster than any ww build xp per hour wise.
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Exactly that. I still prefer tornado WW build simple because you never stop to cast anything, tornados one shot everyone behind you (white mobs), a couple of WW easily kills elites for me on MP2, with 2 rage gen passives i have very minimal issues with rage, if you wish no rage issues at all get IK x 5. 6-7 min clears of MP2.
With 1 handers my tornadoes are not going to guaranteed kill every white mob = i'll have to either make u-turns to finish them off (is a waste of time) or i'll just leave them alive or i move down to MP1 or even 0. None of those steps are optimal = there is absolutely no reason i will be switching to 1 handers for farming low MPs any time soon.
This is the spec I use now for high MP key/uber farming: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#ZhkURP!ZYe!ZZcZYc
The only skills you actually need there are HotA, Battle Rage and Thrive on Chaos. I only keep the sprint/WW combo in order to farm the 5 NV stacks faster, but if you have somebody else finding the elites for you or something you could drop them both for Rend/Overpower and increase your DPS.
Say "But for everyone else, there's no difference, AT ALL" is a complete lie. There is a huge difference. And that difference i explained you above. And you price numbers are also complete wrong. You can get a good mighty wep for less than 10m and then you take a decent echoing fury for 40m or so. And tada then you spend 50m on weapons, which is the same as a decent skorn. Your just are much quicker and efficient farmer, compared to the people fooling around with a Skorn.
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Yes, superstition is a big part of it. I completely disagree about not keeping it up vs. ZK/siege though, I have no trouble keeping 100% WOTB uptime in that fight. There are his fireballs as well as his tornadoes. The other thing is, the spec I linked and used is hybrid so if you get low on fury another option is to just sprint/WW for a couple of seconds to drop a bunch of tornadoes on the boss which will fill up your fury as you go back to spamming HotA. In the ZK/Siege fight this is particularly easy because Siegebreaker is huge and spends a lot of time standing still in your tornadoes.
Against actual packs when you are getting your stacks its never a problem either, because they will either have molten or arcane or whatever or since there are multiples and probably trash around you can just drop a couple of tornadoes.
So I understand that in pure theory this its difficult to keep HotA up, but in reality its quite easy.
This is pure BS.
Here is a video of me pulling 71mil XP/hour with a Skorn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXPHVIorv4g&feature=plcp My gear is nowhere near optimal and this run could easily exceed 80mil/hour if it was.
Also here is a video from one of the top geared barbs in the game explaining the efficiency of using a 2 hander rend build for farming: http://www.twitch.tv/cdxliv/c/1747935
The top heroscore barb in the world (and 4th DPS) uses a Skorn: http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/zebq-2452/Zebq/317096