Im sure you being on a Diablo 3 website have either played diablo 2 at some point, maybe the diablo 3 beta or have seen videos of people playing it and your the first female I've even seen on these forums although im relatively new. (I visited this website way before I made the account though)
Now this is just through my experience of gaming and growing up in a town where there may be a relatively small amount of actual female gamers, but It's hard to imagine it being different elsewhere.
I just have an obviously female name. I'm sure there are several more. I'd say a lot of female gamers hide behind male avatars and names to avoid unwanted attention, I just stopped caring and will tell someone to leave me alone lol.
As far as hardcore gamers, I'd agree there are probably more males, but I doubt it's anywhere near an 8:1 ratio, I'd maybe give it 2:1.
Not trying to sound weird lol, but where do you live and what games do you play more so then others?
Not trying to sound weird lol, but where do you live and what games do you play more so then others?
A rich county in the midwestern US. I play a lot of rpgs and online games (MMOs or fps) but I'd say I actually mostly play action(?) games. (Action is a really broad category when I think about it, anywhere from GTA to most modern puzzle games)
Edit: Okay, I'll refine that to mostly multiplayer games, with a preference for local multiplayer. I even play online games with my friends in person by transporting PCs around.
Im sure you being on a Diablo 3 website have either played diablo 2 at some point, maybe the diablo 3 beta or have seen videos of people playing it and your the first female I've even seen on these forums although im relatively new. (I visited this website way before I made the account though)
Now this is just through my experience of gaming and growing up in a town where there may be a relatively small amount of actual female gamers, but It's hard to imagine it being different elsewhere.
I just have an obviously female name. I'm sure there are several more. I'd say a lot of female gamers hide behind male avatars and names to avoid unwanted attention, I just stopped caring and will tell someone to leave me alone lol.
As far as hardcore gamers, I'd agree there are probably more males, but I doubt it's anywhere near an 8:1 ratio, I'd maybe give it 2:1.
I'd average that out to a more comfortable 4:1 ratio.
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I just have an obviously female name. I'm sure there are several more. I'd say a lot of female gamers hide behind male avatars and names to avoid unwanted attention,
I think they really do game, maybe just not to the extent some others do. I mean it's really easy to get into gaming now with so many different types of games and it being socially accepted now. Games are fun, I think more people should get into gaming!
I know when people realize theres a girl playing 9/10 times on Xbox live they get singled out or practically harassed but I like the variety it brings. Girls tend to play games differently then most guys do, and over xbox I have met a lot of people and very few girls but it seems girls stick together in games and end up knowing a lot more of the quieter ones who dont show themselves as being female. I used to play Call of duty black ops and Halo reach with a girl i met over xbox and the majority of her gaming friends were female. Although none being "Hardcore Gamers."
Games that present an emotional maternal role like raising pets and so on in games and gaining attachment to them grab you some females but if the game is too hard it can be intimidating, they want to enjoy them self and get positive attention more then they want to be a psychopath and go around dominating people in a best case scenario or want to avoid being embarrassed.
I'm pretty sure I should be offended, but I'm going to let this slide and say it only applies to Farmville.
Farmville? It's strange companies produce many many games attempting to foster this immersion aspect of emotional identification with characters, pseudo-family building, cutesieness to encourage a given demographic alternatively they present you with xena warrior princess archetypes for the angst inclined which also covers other varied demographics.
If you want to be offended you go ahead and be so, I don't pander to populist political correct garbage it has no place in presenting things, I very much don't cater to crypto marxist fraudulent behavior nor will I be an apologist for it.
A 2:1 ratio maybe so if fairyland/ragnarok online was considered challenge based gaming, it's glaringly ridiculous to everyone here such suggestions of 2:1.
You cannot hide in androgyny when you are required to be on a vent server and communicate.
Beyond that, not a lot of females can hide so well.
YouTube broadcasters/commentators annoy me, so it doesnt matter to me because I dont watch them or get irritated really soon when I watch it
yeah, I can't watch them to the end either, because these girls always stumble through the whole video with nonsense, and with weird off-topic comments. I can actually watch Pico's Curse vids! Although I think her voice is very monotone and annoying. She might actually play games, but her presentation and enthusiasm seems awfully fake! I can watch them because she streams through the whole thing without stumbling. I think when most men focus on something, if there isn't a steady stream of logic, it's annoying.
Try this as an experiment guys! Watch a video MUTED, you'd be amazed what you can accomplish.
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Games that present an emotional maternal role like raising pets and so on in games and gaining attachment to them grab you some females but if the game is too hard it can be intimidating, they want to enjoy them self and get positive attention more then they want to be a psychopath and go around dominating people in a best case scenario or want to avoid being embarrassed.
I'm pretty sure I should be offended, but I'm going to let this slide and say it only applies to Farmville.
Farmville? It's strange companies produce many many games attempting to foster this immersion aspect of emotional identification with characters, pseudo-family building, cutesieness to encourage a given demographic alternatively they present you with xena warrior princess archetypes for the angst inclined which also covers other varied demographics.
If you want to be offended you go ahead and be so, I don't pander to populist political correct garbage it has no place in presenting things, I very much don't cater to crypto marxist fraudulent behavior nor will I be an apologist for it.
A 2:1 ratio maybe so if fairyland/ragnarok online was considered challenge based gaming, it's glaringly ridiculous to everyone here such suggestions of 2:1.
You cannot hide in androgyny when you are required to be on a vent server and communicate.
Beyond that, not a lot of females can hide so well.
Dude, even though this was totally off-topic to what the post was originally referring to, I have to say this is so God damn manly. I can't take it anymore. I was totally holding back, which I usually don't, but now you've shown me the way again.
I have to say, I did scoff at the 2:1 ratio for hardcore gamers. Even my 4:1 was overly 'nice'.
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when you watch twitch.tv or other gaming stream portals you will notice that,
when good male players having like 10 watchers - at the same game, bad skilled but female gamer have 500 viewers.
sure there are exceptions but most gamer girls are casuals.
nothing wrong with that. just saying
So?
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I don't care what the gender, sex, or sexuality of people playing games are.
I won't be romantically or physically involved with them in any way at any time.
Females are used a lot in gamer targeted media because it does get the attention of males (the majority of gamers). Plenty of females do play games and are just as avid fans as their male counterparts.
In any case the gender/sex of someone you're playing with is only important if you're going to get involved in some form of romantic or sexual relationship.
I'd advise against that though. Talk about an awkward and difficult situation, filled with jealousy and insecurity, being carried out by two people who usually have very little relationship experience or social balance in their lives.
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YouTube broadcasters/commentators annoy me, so it doesnt matter to me because I dont watch them or get irritated really soon when I watch it
yeah, I can't watch them to the end either, because these girls always stumble through the whole video with nonsense, and with weird off-topic comments. I can actually watch Pico's Curse vids! Although I think her voice is very monotone and annoying. She might actually play games, but her presentation and enthusiasm seems awfully fake! I can watch them because she streams through the whole thing without stumbling. I think when most men focus on something, if there isn't a steady stream of logic, it's annoying.
Try this as an experiment guys! Watch a video MUTED, you'd be amazed what you can accomplish.
Well I meant that both men and women strike my nerves with the broadcasting...guys just tend to be obnoxious and know-it-alls, girls usually go for over-presentation
Opps, yeah. I meant to add something for the guys as well. So, " I think when most men focus on something, if there isn't a steady stream of logic, it's annoying." Includes male AND female gamers in the media.
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I never really follow any broadcasts, but I remember really good WoW how-to boss videos on tankspot done by the girl Aliena. Loved those, because they were made from the priests point of view, exactly what I needed :)) They were really helpful and well-played.
I'm a woman myself, and I was rather successful in WoW (I was in semi-hardcore guild (hardmodes mostly, but no server-firsts), and always earned my spot in raid), and intend to be a great diablo gamer. I wonder, how many females are on this site?
when you watch twitch.tv or other gaming stream portals you will notice that,
when good male players having like 10 watchers - at the same game, bad skilled but female gamer have 500 viewers.
sure there are exceptions but most gamer girls are casuals.
nothing wrong with that. just saying
So?
"So" what?
I just wrote some facts. If you cant find the causality, let me help you by put it in clearer words:
the majority of male gamers, watching gamer girls streams are doing it because of boobs, not because of high skill.
now, people can make their own opinion on that.
for me, its obscure.
So, Captain Obvious?
Obscure? I'll help you to better understand this; men like boobs (in general).
Just saying.
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You won my really big appreciation PPL tend to assume that USA is the world, lol
anyway, I'm italian
(every time I say it, I wonder if people think I'm kinda like THIS)
all the pro female gamers i know can be easily counted on 1 hand's fingers.
I believe there might be a bit more than that. But, this kinda ties into the ratio for hardcore gamers as well, it's a stark difference with a more dense control group. In the professional playing field where figures are overwhelmingly easier to count, men still outnumber the number of women gamers by a monumental margin.
Figures shown are an estimated 20% back in 2010. So, my 4:1 ratio is much more feasible.
Well, its harder for women, as in any other field, to dedicate yourself seriously to the game. In WoW, in our guild a few guys had babies, but they didn't stop raiding, because it was theirs wives responsibility to take care of the babies. But when a couple girls from guild (really good players by the way) had babies, they had to give up the game completely for at least a year. And after a year, its not really interesting to get back. The guild moved on, old friends quit too...
You cannot hide in androgyny when you are required to be on a vent server and communicate.
Beyond that, not a lot of females can hide so well.
The only time people are required to communicate would be in literally top tier gaming, such as professionals and world firsts (Depending on the game). Of which gender doesn't matter (There are both females and males playing at that level, although it is mostly males) but that is a fringe case. It's like saying most people in the NBA are male.
As far as the average game, there isn't even communication required. I was in a top 50 guild in WoW, and I wasn't the only female. In fact, all of the healers were female.
Mandy, the initial study you referenced has a few innate flaws
We have to decide on the definition of gamer, as Nimerah pointed out, first. If you include games like farmville, or angry birds on an iphone and consequently name anyone that plays those games as a "gamer" then you are going to skew the study. My mother plays Pacman every so often, but she is hardly (and likely will never be) a gamer in the sense that many people on this site define it as.
So, because of the subjective nature of the word, we cannot take the study you linked at face value. The difference between a very casual farmville player, and the guy that spends man hours a day raiding on an mmo, playing call of duty, or playing a vast number of other very popular big budget games is vast. Marketing strategies for these games are nearly always aimed at men.
As much as I hate anecdotal evidence, during my years of playing MMOs I would meet the occasional woman. In the guilds thats i've been in I could say it was maybe 1 in 10 or 15. I got my wife into the genre and she enjoyed it (healing and eventually tanking), but again if the numbers you mentioned (~53% of gamers are female) are true, then I would expect to find that in the games I play. Obviously that is not the case in the classic mmos (again i'll exclude farmville and other browser based games).
Perhaps what you were trying to say was that there are more females involved in *some* type of gaming overall than males. If it is, then awesome...but until you specifically define the term "gamer" that statistic doesn't mean you'll find anywhere close to this in a game like Diablo 3.
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Not trying to sound weird lol, but where do you live and what games do you play more so then others?
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Edit: Okay, I'll refine that to mostly multiplayer games, with a preference for local multiplayer. I even play online games with my friends in person by transporting PCs around.
I'd average that out to a more comfortable 4:1 ratio.
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I know when people realize theres a girl playing 9/10 times on Xbox live they get singled out or practically harassed but I like the variety it brings. Girls tend to play games differently then most guys do, and over xbox I have met a lot of people and very few girls but it seems girls stick together in games and end up knowing a lot more of the quieter ones who dont show themselves as being female. I used to play Call of duty black ops and Halo reach with a girl i met over xbox and the majority of her gaming friends were female. Although none being "Hardcore Gamers."
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If you want to be offended you go ahead and be so, I don't pander to populist political correct garbage it has no place in presenting things, I very much don't cater to crypto marxist fraudulent behavior nor will I be an apologist for it.
A 2:1 ratio maybe so if fairyland/ragnarok online was considered challenge based gaming, it's glaringly ridiculous to everyone here such suggestions of 2:1.
You cannot hide in androgyny when you are required to be on a vent server and communicate.
Beyond that, not a lot of females can hide so well.
yeah, I can't watch them to the end either, because these girls always stumble through the whole video with nonsense, and with weird off-topic comments. I can actually watch Pico's Curse vids! Although I think her voice is very monotone and annoying. She might actually play games, but her presentation and enthusiasm seems awfully fake! I can watch them because she streams through the whole thing without stumbling. I think when most men focus on something, if there isn't a steady stream of logic, it's annoying.
Try this as an experiment guys! Watch a video MUTED, you'd be amazed what you can accomplish.
http://i.imgur.com/O7Oeo.png
I received TWO beta keys. Eat it and like it.
Isn't that a Loch Ness kind of thing?
Random vague sightings that culminated into some kind of legend...
Maybe I need to find a way out of this basement. Damn.
Dude, even though this was totally off-topic to what the post was originally referring to, I have to say this is so God damn manly. I can't take it anymore. I was totally holding back, which I usually don't, but now you've shown me the way again.
I have to say, I did scoff at the 2:1 ratio for hardcore gamers. Even my 4:1 was overly 'nice'.
http://i.imgur.com/O7Oeo.png
I received TWO beta keys. Eat it and like it.
So?
http://i.imgur.com/O7Oeo.png
I received TWO beta keys. Eat it and like it.
I won't be romantically or physically involved with them in any way at any time.
Females are used a lot in gamer targeted media because it does get the attention of males (the majority of gamers). Plenty of females do play games and are just as avid fans as their male counterparts.
In any case the gender/sex of someone you're playing with is only important if you're going to get involved in some form of romantic or sexual relationship.
I'd advise against that though. Talk about an awkward and difficult situation, filled with jealousy and insecurity, being carried out by two people who usually have very little relationship experience or social balance in their lives.
Opps, yeah. I meant to add something for the guys as well. So, " I think when most men focus on something, if there isn't a steady stream of logic, it's annoying." Includes male AND female gamers in the media.
http://i.imgur.com/O7Oeo.png
I received TWO beta keys. Eat it and like it.
I'm a woman myself, and I was rather successful in WoW (I was in semi-hardcore guild (hardmodes mostly, but no server-firsts), and always earned my spot in raid), and intend to be a great diablo gamer. I wonder, how many females are on this site?
So, Captain Obvious?
Obscure? I'll help you to better understand this; men like boobs (in general).
Just saying.
http://i.imgur.com/O7Oeo.png
I received TWO beta keys. Eat it and like it.
I believe there might be a bit more than that. But, this kinda ties into the ratio for hardcore gamers as well, it's a stark difference with a more dense control group. In the professional playing field where figures are overwhelmingly easier to count, men still outnumber the number of women gamers by a monumental margin.
Figures shown are an estimated 20% back in 2010. So, my 4:1 ratio is much more feasible.
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2024773,00.html
http://i.imgur.com/O7Oeo.png
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and this is what people think of us swedes
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As far as the average game, there isn't even communication required. I was in a top 50 guild in WoW, and I wasn't the only female. In fact, all of the healers were female.
We have to decide on the definition of gamer, as Nimerah pointed out, first. If you include games like farmville, or angry birds on an iphone and consequently name anyone that plays those games as a "gamer" then you are going to skew the study. My mother plays Pacman every so often, but she is hardly (and likely will never be) a gamer in the sense that many people on this site define it as.
So, because of the subjective nature of the word, we cannot take the study you linked at face value. The difference between a very casual farmville player, and the guy that spends man hours a day raiding on an mmo, playing call of duty, or playing a vast number of other very popular big budget games is vast. Marketing strategies for these games are nearly always aimed at men.
As much as I hate anecdotal evidence, during my years of playing MMOs I would meet the occasional woman. In the guilds thats i've been in I could say it was maybe 1 in 10 or 15. I got my wife into the genre and she enjoyed it (healing and eventually tanking), but again if the numbers you mentioned (~53% of gamers are female) are true, then I would expect to find that in the games I play. Obviously that is not the case in the classic mmos (again i'll exclude farmville and other browser based games).
Perhaps what you were trying to say was that there are more females involved in *some* type of gaming overall than males. If it is, then awesome...but until you specifically define the term "gamer" that statistic doesn't mean you'll find anywhere close to this in a game like Diablo 3.