R.I.P. I feel bad when anyone dies. Seriously. But at least it wasn't anyone else's fault.
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''May the Gods give you the strength and power to bear the madness which flows through our minds.''
''Zubin, I've always imagined you as a crazy raver. The kinda guy that spends all night dancing to trance music while waving glow sticks and popping ecstasy.'' - Murderface
Being a fan or not does not matter to me, i have 0% respect for drug addicts/junkys, even if it was MY family. and dont care if someone has a problem with it, ur not family of hers so stop whining,
Addiction is a disease. Regardless of your poor notion of what it means to lose somebody, she did more for people than you will ever do, in all likelihood.
As an artist, she was appreciated and loved by millions, and, as I'm sure you will fail to understand, they felt a connection to her. Be it a disease, an accident or suicide that causes their death, you should have respect for somebody like that. She wasn't Hitler, she wasn't a dictator, and she never did you any wrong. She was a poor soul who happened to have talent.
God help you when your lost loved one is mocked by someone else. And God help you if you or somebody close to you ever falls victim to addiction. You'd better not... whine.
Being a fan or not does not matter to me, i have 0% respect for drug addicts/junkys, even if it was MY family. and dont care if someone has a problem with it, ur not family of hers so stop whining,
Addiction is a disease. Regardless of your poor notion of what it means to lose somebody, she did more for people than you will ever do, in all likelihood.
As an artist, she was appreciated and loved by millions, and, as I'm sure you will fail to understand, they felt a connection to her. Be it a disease, an accident or suicide that causes their death, you should have respect for somebody like that. She wasn't Hitler, she wasn't a dictator, and she never did you any wrong. She was a poor soul who happened to have talent.
God help you when your lost loved one is mocked by someone else. And God help you if you or somebody close to you ever falls victim to addiction. You'd better not... whine.
I'm personally not a fan of the "disease" label, but there's definitely a genetic component. There's a reason why certain groups of people and families have histories of substance abuse. American Indians, for example, have comparatively high rates of alcoholism due to a genetic predisposition.
I think it's ironic that people are so quick to judge drug addicts when drugs are basically traps with little hope of escape. Once you're hooked on some of the harder stuff, the recovery rates are miniscule, because withdrawal is so incredibly painful and unpleasant. By comparison, the more subtle trap of obesity, is allowed to run rampant, and called a "lifestyle choice."
There are so many psychological addictions with just as harmful ramifications as drug addiction, but lacking in the horrors of physical dependence. These addictions can be defeated without feeling sick and unable to sleep for days on end, pissing blood and sweating uncontrollably, or any of the other wonders of withdrawal. They can be defeated by a fraction of the self-control and support needed to defeat a physical addiction.
But they keep doing. They keep feeding their obsessions that destroy their health and turn them into dull societal deadweight, same as the junkies, and then point and laugh at those drug addicts and mock them for their weakness.
Personally, I think that's pretty messed up. Take a hard look at your own faults before you mock someone else's.
*Not that I think the death of a singer is some huge deal. Not to be insensitive, but there are more important things going on. But this "holier than thou" attitude about addiction is ridiculous.
Personally, I think that's pretty messed up. Take a hard look at your own faults before you mock someone else's.
*Not that I think the death of a singer is some huge deal. Not to be insensitive, but there are more important things going on. But this "holier than thou" attitude about addiction is ridiculous.
I offer my condolences to her family and friends (not that they'd ever read this, I don't think).
And I completely agree with OmniNom on the notion that we should not judge Winehouse just because she had an affliction that got the best of her. People make mistakes and get wrapped up in things they never dreamed they could get involved in, but that doesn't make them any less of a person than we are.
The bottom line is that, as someone said before me, this was a person with feelings and ambitions. I think this is another instance where people are going to realize that all the crap they talked about her only reflects on themselves (much like Michael Jackson's death). If you've ever heard the things about Winehouse that I've heard, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And I'm not one of these hypocrites who mocks the living and respects the dead to leave a good impression; I never liked her music, but I never didn't like her as a person. I held an air of indifference to her then and I hold a different air today.
Trust me, after Ryan Dunn died, I looked at life and death a lot differently.
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I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
I could care less that Amy Butthouse died. Cause when Trish Keenan (an exponentially more talented singer) died this year it seemed few people really gave a shit. What's even more tragic is Lady Gaga will probably live another 50 years.
Being a fan or not does not matter to me, i have 0% respect for drug addicts/junkys, even if it was MY family. and dont care if someone has a problem with it, ur not family of hers so stop whining,
Addiction is a disease. Regardless of your poor notion of what it means to lose somebody, she did more for people than you will ever do, in all likelihood.
As an artist, she was appreciated and loved by millions, and, as I'm sure you will fail to understand, they felt a connection to her. Be it a disease, an accident or suicide that causes their death, you should have respect for somebody like that. She wasn't Hitler, she wasn't a dictator, and she never did you any wrong. She was a poor soul who happened to have talent.
God help you when your lost loved one is mocked by someone else. And God help you if you or somebody close to you ever falls victim to addiction. You'd better not... whine.
Right my post got deleted, so let me break it down for yah in a way less offencive, even tho im dieng to offend but i wont, not worh it.
Adiction is a choise YOU make, it is in YOUR hands. Whiles on the other hand, a desease is something that tends to come againts your own will. There for saying these 2 things are the same is... ehm how do i say this wel mannerd, Out of the loigical, if you wil.
OK first, you have a spellchecker in your browser. It's underlining all these words you're typing for a reason.
SECOND, it's very easy to dismiss addicts as having made a choice. Not everyone is born in suburbia and educated on the dangers of drug use. If you have a genetic predisposition, and you are born somewhere that doesn't have information force-fed to you about the harm drug addiction can cause, it's not so clear cut.
Not everyone is privy to the knowledge you are. This may be difficult for you, but try to put yourself in someone else's shoes. Imagine, for the sake of argument, that you had lived your life up to this moment without knowing coffee was an incredibly dangerous substance.
You might have heard vague hints as to negative side effects, but nothing substantial. So that one time, back when you were in your teenage years, you tried a cup. For all you knew, it was just another thing adults did.
Well, that was pretty good, so next time it's available you have some more. And the next time. Pretty soon you're buying it yourself. And then it's a daily ritual. All your extra money starts being poured into acquiring more. Any time spent without a hot cup in your hand is spent thinking about the next one. Finally, when your job won't let you drink it constantly during your shift, you quit.
Broke, homeless, and still trying to get that next cup whenever you can, you finally realize how fucked you are. So you decide to quit.
The first day is almost fine. You want to get a cup, but it's tolerable. You try to find something to distract you but it's all you can think about. You have trouble sleeping that night, thinking about the taste.
The second day you start to feel sick. Your stomache tightens and loosens constantly, and any food you try to eat winds up on the ground again fifteen minutes later. It's OK though, food isn't really appealing. As night falls you try to sleep, but your thoughts of coffee and your rebelling stomache make it impossible. You feel exhausted and your eyes are grainy and painful from lack of sleep.
The third day you start shivering uncontrollably, and sweat pours off your body no matter how cold you are. You can't sit still, and you still feel sick constantly. You try to eat again, but now your throat is so tight you can't swallow. You simply huddle in a corner and hope think about how much better you'd feel if you had one more cup.
The fourth day it only feels worse, so you finally drag your ass back to your supplier and hand over the few coins you've collected over the last few days. The coffee makes everything go away--you feel alert and healthy almost instantly. But the feeling starts fading almost immediately, so you go back for another cup. And another. And another.
You can't afford rehab if you're broke, and you can't avoid a trap you don't know exists.
Anyone who shakes off drug addiction as a choice would benefit greatly from reading Dreamseller by Brandon Novak.
One of the better books I've read over the past couple years, this really opened my eyes to how hard it is to recover from addiction and live with yourself even if you do recover (which some people don't).
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I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
She had monney diddent she ? Even if she was already addictied, she was a famous star, and she clearly did not want to go to rehab, and dont tell me she did cuz that would be a bunch of bull.
And regarding the spelling, i sayd manny times, i can spell, but just tend to type fast and am to lazy to correct my words for spelling, so deal with it.
Annyhow i do not care, regardlis if she did not have a wiser someone to teach her bout the dangours of drugs when she was young , just 1 more junky less on the planet. And that can only be a good thing in my book.
Poor spelling is more difficult to read so we will rag on you for it. "Deal with it".It's spelled disease.
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Oh, well. Some people can actually form a coherent post and know what they're talking about, and some don't.
I don't believe in Karma, but when people choose to spout ignorant comments and be disrespectful to others, there always comes a time in which they're fed their own medicine. And when that time comes... let's just say it's only fair.
Sometimes, you have to learn not to judge the hard way. I can only say some people in here will be humbled in the future
@OmniNom: for the record, I completely agree with you (and nice job with the coffee example.) All in all, Mrs. Winehouse's death is inconsequential in the big picture. But hat doesn't mean people who know nothing about her (or about what she "clearly" did or didn't want to do) should disrespect her or make terribly ignorant comments about addiction. In fact, they should use this unfortunate event and learn from it.
And by the way, when I said disease I didn't just mean genetic components, I meant that addiction is actually a very real, physiological thing; it's not an attitude or mood like being selfish, or being an asshat. Some people seem to think that it would be so easy for every addict to just say "I'm done with this" and walk away as if nothing happened. The withdrawal/dependency process is a very real and serious thing.
Being a fan or not does not matter to me, i have 0% respect for drug addicts/junkys, even if it was MY family. and dont care if someone has a problem with it, ur not family of hers so stop whining,
Addiction is a disease. Regardless of your poor notion of what it means to lose somebody, she did more for people than you will ever do, in all likelihood.
As an artist, she was appreciated and loved by millions, and, as I'm sure you will fail to understand, they felt a connection to her. Be it a disease, an accident or suicide that causes their death, you should have respect for somebody like that. She wasn't Hitler, she wasn't a dictator, and she never did you any wrong. She was a poor soul who happened to have talent.
God help you when your lost loved one is mocked by someone else. And God help you if you or somebody close to you ever falls victim to addiction. You'd better not... whine.
Right my post got deleted, so let me break it down for yah in a way less offencive, even tho im dieng to offend but i wont, not worh it.
Adiction is a choise YOU make, it is in YOUR hands. Whiles on the other hand, a desease is something that tends to come againts your own will. There for saying these 2 things are the same is... ehm how do i say this wel mannerd, Out of the loigical, if you wil.
OK first, you have a spellchecker in your browser. It's underlining all these words you're typing for a reason.
SECOND, it's very easy to dismiss addicts as having made a choice. Not everyone is born in suburbia and educated on the dangers of drug use. If you have a genetic predisposition, and you are born somewhere that doesn't have information force-fed to you about the harm drug addiction can cause, it's not so clear cut.
Not everyone is privy to the knowledge you are. This may be difficult for you, but try to put yourself in someone else's shoes. Imagine, for the sake of argument, that you had lived your life up to this moment without knowing coffee was an incredibly dangerous substance.
You might have heard vague hints as to negative side effects, but nothing substantial. So that one time, back when you were in your teenage years, you tried a cup. For all you knew, it was just another thing adults did.
Well, that was pretty good, so next time it's available you have some more. And the next time. Pretty soon you're buying it yourself. And then it's a daily ritual. All your extra money starts being poured into acquiring more. Any time spent without a hot cup in your hand is spent thinking about the next one. Finally, when your job won't let you drink it constantly during your shift, you quit.
Broke, homeless, and still trying to get that next cup whenever you can, you finally realize how fucked you are. So you decide to quit.
The first day is almost fine. You want to get a cup, but it's tolerable. You try to find something to distract you but it's all you can think about. You have trouble sleeping that night, thinking about the taste.
The second day you start to feel sick. Your stomache tightens and loosens constantly, and any food you try to eat winds up on the ground again fifteen minutes later. It's OK though, food isn't really appealing. As night falls you try to sleep, but your thoughts of coffee and your rebelling stomache make it impossible. You feel exhausted and your eyes are grainy and painful from lack of sleep.
The third day you start shivering uncontrollably, and sweat pours off your body no matter how cold you are. You can't sit still, and you still feel sick constantly. You try to eat again, but now your throat is so tight you can't swallow. You simply huddle in a corner and hope think about how much better you'd feel if you had one more cup.
The fourth day it only feels worse, so you finally drag your ass back to your supplier and hand over the few coins you've collected over the last few days. The coffee makes everything go away--you feel alert and healthy almost instantly. But the feeling starts fading almost immediately, so you go back for another cup. And another. And another.
You can't afford rehab if you're broke, and you can't avoid a trap you don't know exists.
I don't drink coffee, do drugs, smoke or drink alcohol. I sound boring don't I? The point being that I made the choice not do any of that because the positive effects(being "cool" mostly) didn't outweigh the fact that they're addictive.
I've got many friends who started smoking in 8th grade, then "quit" in 9th grade and thought they were awesome and mature, why even start in the first place? They sneak in some smokes now and then even though they've "quit".
Most of us got education on "drugs are bad, mkay" et cetera, it didn't help them shit. It's always down to the individual, I can't tell how many times I've been offered a beer, a smoke or even to go smoke pot... but you can always say: NO!
On a side note I don't think she has done more than the average person. If you do what you can to help the people around you and be nice then that's all that can be asked of you.
Don't tell me she sang to bring joy and teddy bears to the world, it's all about the money.
Education helps some people more than others, but there are still those that will start a meth habit even though they know all of the risks. I don't know why, it usually starts with them not being happy with who they are - and they like getting high. Or curiosity. A lot of people like to try everything at least once. Even if it's practically a poison and you could get addicted.
Think of the worst, most stupid thing you've ever done in your life. The absolute worst thing. You don't have to post it, I know I never would. I would rather forget that it ever happened.
All of you have something. Contemplate it.
When you did it, you were probably either ignorant of how stupid it was, or you ignored the people that told you it was stupid. You decided to do it anyway, most likely because you were young and reckless. People do stupid things, in their formative years especially. Pretending like you never make terrible decisions is lying to yourself.
You "chose" to perform that stupid act, just like a drug user "chooses" to use for the first time. It's pretty much unavoidable that someone does something desperately stupid like that at some point in their life.
If you do something dangerous and injure yourself, or damage someone's property, or ruin some opportunity you had, you are punished by virtue of the act. You get the stick instead of the carrot.
For someone that their stupid thing was some form of hard drug, you get the carrot. It doesn't feel like a stupid thing at all. You are rewarded for that first stupid ignorant decision. So you're that much more likely to repeat that mistake, and each time you do it's harder to undo it. Worse, if you try to stop you will feel violently ill for days or even weeks.
Imagine if that were the case with the stupid thing you did.
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You're being extremely disrespectful. She was a human being, like you, with friends, family, and above all, fans.
If someone close to you dies, would you like random people on the internet calling that person a "puta junky crack ass"? I would hope not...
Regardless of whether you're a fan or not, some things come down to basic human decency.
''Zubin, I've always imagined you as a crazy raver. The kinda guy that spends all night dancing to trance music while waving glow sticks and popping ecstasy.'' - Murderface
As an artist, she was appreciated and loved by millions, and, as I'm sure you will fail to understand, they felt a connection to her. Be it a disease, an accident or suicide that causes their death, you should have respect for somebody like that. She wasn't Hitler, she wasn't a dictator, and she never did you any wrong. She was a poor soul who happened to have talent.
God help you when your lost loved one is mocked by someone else. And God help you if you or somebody close to you ever falls victim to addiction. You'd better not... whine.
I'm personally not a fan of the "disease" label, but there's definitely a genetic component. There's a reason why certain groups of people and families have histories of substance abuse. American Indians, for example, have comparatively high rates of alcoholism due to a genetic predisposition.
I think it's ironic that people are so quick to judge drug addicts when drugs are basically traps with little hope of escape. Once you're hooked on some of the harder stuff, the recovery rates are miniscule, because withdrawal is so incredibly painful and unpleasant. By comparison, the more subtle trap of obesity, is allowed to run rampant, and called a "lifestyle choice."
There are so many psychological addictions with just as harmful ramifications as drug addiction, but lacking in the horrors of physical dependence. These addictions can be defeated without feeling sick and unable to sleep for days on end, pissing blood and sweating uncontrollably, or any of the other wonders of withdrawal. They can be defeated by a fraction of the self-control and support needed to defeat a physical addiction.
But they keep doing. They keep feeding their obsessions that destroy their health and turn them into dull societal deadweight, same as the junkies, and then point and laugh at those drug addicts and mock them for their weakness.
Personally, I think that's pretty messed up. Take a hard look at your own faults before you mock someone else's.
*Not that I think the death of a singer is some huge deal. Not to be insensitive, but there are more important things going on. But this "holier than thou" attitude about addiction is ridiculous.
I offer my condolences to her family and friends (not that they'd ever read this, I don't think).
And I completely agree with OmniNom on the notion that we should not judge Winehouse just because she had an affliction that got the best of her. People make mistakes and get wrapped up in things they never dreamed they could get involved in, but that doesn't make them any less of a person than we are.
The bottom line is that, as someone said before me, this was a person with feelings and ambitions. I think this is another instance where people are going to realize that all the crap they talked about her only reflects on themselves (much like Michael Jackson's death). If you've ever heard the things about Winehouse that I've heard, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And I'm not one of these hypocrites who mocks the living and respects the dead to leave a good impression; I never liked her music, but I never didn't like her as a person. I held an air of indifference to her then and I hold a different air today.
Trust me, after Ryan Dunn died, I looked at life and death a lot differently.
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
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OK first, you have a spellchecker in your browser. It's underlining all these words you're typing for a reason.
SECOND, it's very easy to dismiss addicts as having made a choice. Not everyone is born in suburbia and educated on the dangers of drug use. If you have a genetic predisposition, and you are born somewhere that doesn't have information force-fed to you about the harm drug addiction can cause, it's not so clear cut.
Not everyone is privy to the knowledge you are. This may be difficult for you, but try to put yourself in someone else's shoes. Imagine, for the sake of argument, that you had lived your life up to this moment without knowing coffee was an incredibly dangerous substance.
You might have heard vague hints as to negative side effects, but nothing substantial. So that one time, back when you were in your teenage years, you tried a cup. For all you knew, it was just another thing adults did.
Well, that was pretty good, so next time it's available you have some more. And the next time. Pretty soon you're buying it yourself. And then it's a daily ritual. All your extra money starts being poured into acquiring more. Any time spent without a hot cup in your hand is spent thinking about the next one. Finally, when your job won't let you drink it constantly during your shift, you quit.
Broke, homeless, and still trying to get that next cup whenever you can, you finally realize how fucked you are. So you decide to quit.
The first day is almost fine. You want to get a cup, but it's tolerable. You try to find something to distract you but it's all you can think about. You have trouble sleeping that night, thinking about the taste.
The second day you start to feel sick. Your stomache tightens and loosens constantly, and any food you try to eat winds up on the ground again fifteen minutes later. It's OK though, food isn't really appealing. As night falls you try to sleep, but your thoughts of coffee and your rebelling stomache make it impossible. You feel exhausted and your eyes are grainy and painful from lack of sleep.
The third day you start shivering uncontrollably, and sweat pours off your body no matter how cold you are. You can't sit still, and you still feel sick constantly. You try to eat again, but now your throat is so tight you can't swallow. You simply huddle in a corner and hope think about how much better you'd feel if you had one more cup.
The fourth day it only feels worse, so you finally drag your ass back to your supplier and hand over the few coins you've collected over the last few days. The coffee makes everything go away--you feel alert and healthy almost instantly. But the feeling starts fading almost immediately, so you go back for another cup. And another. And another.
You can't afford rehab if you're broke, and you can't avoid a trap you don't know exists.
One of the better books I've read over the past couple years, this really opened my eyes to how hard it is to recover from addiction and live with yourself even if you do recover (which some people don't).
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
Poor spelling is more difficult to read so we will rag on you for it. "Deal with it".It's spelled disease.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I don't believe in Karma, but when people choose to spout ignorant comments and be disrespectful to others, there always comes a time in which they're fed their own medicine. And when that time comes... let's just say it's only fair.
Sometimes, you have to learn not to judge the hard way. I can only say some people in here will be humbled in the future
@OmniNom: for the record, I completely agree with you (and nice job with the coffee example.) All in all, Mrs. Winehouse's death is inconsequential in the big picture. But hat doesn't mean people who know nothing about her (or about what she "clearly" did or didn't want to do) should disrespect her or make terribly ignorant comments about addiction. In fact, they should use this unfortunate event and learn from it.
And by the way, when I said disease I didn't just mean genetic components, I meant that addiction is actually a very real, physiological thing; it's not an attitude or mood like being selfish, or being an asshat. Some people seem to think that it would be so easy for every addict to just say "I'm done with this" and walk away as if nothing happened. The withdrawal/dependency process is a very real and serious thing.
I don't drink coffee, do drugs, smoke or drink alcohol. I sound boring don't I? The point being that I made the choice not do any of that because the positive effects(being "cool" mostly) didn't outweigh the fact that they're addictive.
I've got many friends who started smoking in 8th grade, then "quit" in 9th grade and thought they were awesome and mature, why even start in the first place? They sneak in some smokes now and then even though they've "quit".
Most of us got education on "drugs are bad, mkay" et cetera, it didn't help them shit. It's always down to the individual, I can't tell how many times I've been offered a beer, a smoke or even to go smoke pot... but you can always say: NO!
On a side note I don't think she has done more than the average person. If you do what you can to help the people around you and be nice then that's all that can be asked of you.
Don't tell me she sang to bring joy and teddy bears to the world, it's all about the money.
All of you have something. Contemplate it.
When you did it, you were probably either ignorant of how stupid it was, or you ignored the people that told you it was stupid. You decided to do it anyway, most likely because you were young and reckless. People do stupid things, in their formative years especially. Pretending like you never make terrible decisions is lying to yourself.
You "chose" to perform that stupid act, just like a drug user "chooses" to use for the first time. It's pretty much unavoidable that someone does something desperately stupid like that at some point in their life.
If you do something dangerous and injure yourself, or damage someone's property, or ruin some opportunity you had, you are punished by virtue of the act. You get the stick instead of the carrot.
For someone that their stupid thing was some form of hard drug, you get the carrot. It doesn't feel like a stupid thing at all. You are rewarded for that first stupid ignorant decision. So you're that much more likely to repeat that mistake, and each time you do it's harder to undo it. Worse, if you try to stop you will feel violently ill for days or even weeks.
Imagine if that were the case with the stupid thing you did.