I dunno the problem I have with WoW, and mmo's in general, is once you hit max level theres only 2 things to do. Raid, or PvP. I don't really like PvP in mmo's and I dislike raiding. Why should I be forced to group with 9-19 other people to be able to learn more about the story and have fun. Not to mention the amount of time you have to dump into raiding. I prefer a more personal group like a 5 man. Or in D3's case a 4 man which will be perfect.
So that's why I cancelled my account. Story of my WoW life. Got 60, sat and did nothing. Got 70, sat and did nothing. Got 80, sat and did nothing. Got 85, sat and did nothing. Done.
I did do some raiding here and there but having to tolerate 9 other people and work around their schedule and shortcomings just isn't fun for me. GET THE HELL OUT OF BLISTERING COLD ON THE SINDRAGOSA FIGHT!
MMO is what it gives you really. If all you can do is raid and PvP well then that's all you can do. In fact, MMO's direct people streams pretty strongly with rewards and features.
I'll quote TotalBiscuit on this, cause i think he said it best:
Eve Online is a Sandbox.
World of Warcraft is a Theme Park.
And that's pretty much it. WoW gives you certain ways to go, but not to make an experience for yourself. You either find something you like in it or simply quit. Getting bored of it is also an option. I quit quite a few times already, but always returned to see what changed with the patches or expansions.
You misunderstood me. You have choices when you play an MMO. WoW has choices, just like EVE does. You can choose what to do and when to do it.
Erm, not really. Not within what's commonly understood as "choice" in video games.
The amount of stuff you can do in WoW is quite limited, especially at end game (which is why I prefer the leveling phase). The amount of stuff you can do in EVE is quite varied, although EVE limits in other ways which I don't really like.
I'll quote TotalBiscuit on this, cause i think he said it best:
Eve Online is a Sandbox.
World of Warcraft is a Theme Park.
I dunno did he invent that or something? Those are very common term and concepts, generally used without "totalbiscuit" attached to it.
No, he was just describing it best. In Eve Online you get to customize your ship and with it the whole gameplay experience, that's why it works better as a "sandbox".
Now about World of Warcraft, everyone who played it (i know i did my fair share of playing) knows it's very much a "theme park" of a MMORPG, which led to the point you agreed with.
No, he was just describing it best. In Eve Online you get to customize your ship and with it the whole gameplay experience, that's why it works better as a "sandbox".
Now about World of Warcraft, everyone who played it (i know i did my fair share of playing) knows it's very much a "theme park" of a MMORPG, which led to the point you agreed with.
I'm aware of that.
Just if you look at any MMO forum (any forum, Rift, WoW, SW:TOR, w/e), those terms are thrown all over the place.
You're just saying something rather old and commonly recognized at this point so I wonder if you have just been recently introduced to the terms or something.
Xsyson, EVE, SWG are sandboxes.
WoW-MMO's are themeparks.
Everyone knows that. At least, I thought everyone does.
that's right in fact, that's where i first heared it and only recently (even after playing WoW for good 5 years), so i figured it could be the case that many others wouldn't know it either
i've been a wow player since feb 05, must say that after tbc wow gone down hill...
i mean sure its a farm game and always will be, but back in vanilla-tbc farming had meaning to it. for example, you farmed BG's pre nerf with premades to get to highest ranks to get highest gear. when u gone into BWL and got farmed by Vael, blizz didnt gone nerf mod on it, so you had to be more focus and to have good enough players to go through raids.
look at it now, yestarday (29.06.11) patch 4.2 was released, sure it gives us firelands with its new raiding etc. BUT! ppl getting high end gear (not best, but still very good gear) from badges. did ZG today, we downed 1st boss with no healer at 50% and on, 1 tank and 2 dps. this is a FAIL! by blizzard nerfing every single thing.
me personally i barely log my warrior now, which was my pride and joy till now. yet i do log it when tank or dps is needed, so i've logged today to tank ZG and found out that recklessness (used only in zerker stance), retaliation (arms only) and shield wall (def stance) are now free for all, so no more stance dance, yet another fail by blizz. good stance dancer = good warrior, but blizz listen to all the whiners i guess.
and they list is VERY long, i'm glad i've cancelled my sub to wow (should run out around sept), so i log some alts from time to time or do some random stuff if i'm bored enough.
sad to see time like illigal danish, tales of the past, rogues takes no skill and many other wow movies that showed the beauty of the game, turn into a whine enough and we'll bend over for you.
So that's why I cancelled my account. Story of my WoW life. Got 60, sat and did nothing. Got 70, sat and did nothing. Got 80, sat and did nothing. Got 85, sat and did nothing. Done.
I did do some raiding here and there but having to tolerate 9 other people and work around their schedule and shortcomings just isn't fun for me. GET THE HELL OUT OF BLISTERING COLD ON THE SINDRAGOSA FIGHT!
Bleh.
MMO is what it gives you really. If all you can do is raid and PvP well then that's all you can do. In fact, MMO's direct people streams pretty strongly with rewards and features.
Eve Online is a Sandbox.
World of Warcraft is a Theme Park.
And that's pretty much it. WoW gives you certain ways to go, but not to make an experience for yourself. You either find something you like in it or simply quit. Getting bored of it is also an option. I quit quite a few times already, but always returned to see what changed with the patches or expansions.
That until Diablo III at least
Anyhow, comments at the CC today confirmed this:
http://kotaku.com/#!5800175/world-of-warcraft-suffers-post cataclysmic-drop-in-subscriptions
Pretty much this.
Erm, not really. Not within what's commonly understood as "choice" in video games.
The amount of stuff you can do in WoW is quite limited, especially at end game (which is why I prefer the leveling phase). The amount of stuff you can do in EVE is quite varied, although EVE limits in other ways which I don't really like.
No, he was just describing it best. In Eve Online you get to customize your ship and with it the whole gameplay experience, that's why it works better as a "sandbox".
Now about World of Warcraft, everyone who played it (i know i did my fair share of playing) knows it's very much a "theme park" of a MMORPG, which led to the point you agreed with.
Just if you look at any MMO forum (any forum, Rift, WoW, SW:TOR, w/e), those terms are thrown all over the place.
You're just saying something rather old and commonly recognized at this point so I wonder if you have just been recently introduced to the terms or something.
Xsyson, EVE, SWG are sandboxes.
WoW-MMO's are themeparks.
Everyone knows that. At least, I thought everyone does.
Think we'll get a big announce of the next xpac at blizzcon (I think yes)?
i've been a wow player since feb 05, must say that after tbc wow gone down hill...
i mean sure its a farm game and always will be, but back in vanilla-tbc farming had meaning to it. for example, you farmed BG's pre nerf with premades to get to highest ranks to get highest gear. when u gone into BWL and got farmed by Vael, blizz didnt gone nerf mod on it, so you had to be more focus and to have good enough players to go through raids.
look at it now, yestarday (29.06.11) patch 4.2 was released, sure it gives us firelands with its new raiding etc. BUT! ppl getting high end gear (not best, but still very good gear) from badges. did ZG today, we downed 1st boss with no healer at 50% and on, 1 tank and 2 dps. this is a FAIL! by blizzard nerfing every single thing.
me personally i barely log my warrior now, which was my pride and joy till now. yet i do log it when tank or dps is needed, so i've logged today to tank ZG and found out that recklessness (used only in zerker stance), retaliation (arms only) and shield wall (def stance) are now free for all, so no more stance dance, yet another fail by blizz. good stance dancer = good warrior, but blizz listen to all the whiners i guess.
and they list is VERY long, i'm glad i've cancelled my sub to wow (should run out around sept), so i log some alts from time to time or do some random stuff if i'm bored enough.
sad to see time like illigal danish, tales of the past, rogues takes no skill and many other wow movies that showed the beauty of the game, turn into a whine enough and we'll bend over for you.