They're not allowing any, which is why I think it's crap. They don't want people there who were told the dust was safe to breathe and caused no health hazard and now they're sick and dying. It makes for bad press.
Asbestos is fun stuff. No idea why it's still legal in the US.
Because litigation-happy lawyers don't like to diffirentiate between the harmful types of asbestos and the non-harmful types that were developed more recently. Lawsuits + Ignorance = Current situation.
Because litigation-happy lawyers don't like to diffirentiate between the harmful types of asbestos and the non-harmful types that were developed more recently. Lawsuits + Ignorance = Current situation.
Unfortunately there is no safe asbestos (as asbestos had superior features compared to safer alternatives). Only less dangerous.
AFAIK industry studies showed the safter asbestos was not a significant risk factor. Of course, from what we now know about cancer, there's a good case to be made for a great many things being dangerous. I had fellow professors (in geology, civil engineering, and related fields) assure me that modern asbestos compounds were safe and they were the same crowd who had shouted for the replacement of the dangerous asbestos compounds in the past.
Oh come on Dae... You got to have better standards than Alex Jones.
@KingCobb
+1.
Great to see sensible people around.
You have nothing really to contribute other than your hate for Alex Jones? I don't share all of his views, but I thought he summed up a lot of what was going on in this situation pretty well. Okay Alex Jones aside what do you think of the situation?
Off-Topic: Instead of real people, I like to imagine the avatars of Dae and Don having a debate (Dae being the rallying gladiator, and Don being the level-headed businessmanbulb). It makes for more smiles than the reality of the posts.
And what could be better than serving up smiles?
Oh come on Dae... You got to have better standards than Alex Jones.
@KingCobb
+1.
Great to see sensible people around.
You have nothing really to contribute other than your hate for Alex Jones? I don't share all of his views, but I thought he summed up a lot of what was going on in this situation pretty well. Okay Alex Jones aside what do you think of the situation?
I hate Alex Jones? From where do you get this?
You seem to be so desperate to find conspiracies, you are ready to consider any source. Don posted another quote which you almost completely disregarded. You know- priority given to family of victims. Now you are finding this an excuse? Like for real? Are these heros permanently banned from ground zero?
You are just hungry for reinforcers to your own ideas that the government is evil. In all of your conspiracy threads, there's always this very unilateral and one-sided approach to these issues.
Good thing Don and others are around.
You keep spreading a very fallacious and biased take on these events. I would be ashamed in your place. Seriously.
I posted in this thread to support KingCobb's post mainly, just like some guys posted in this thread to say you are right.
Also yes Alex Jones may not be the most widely accepted media source but all of his "conspiracies" he backs up with news reports from mainstream media and government documents.
This quote further discredits anything you or Alex Jones say on the matter. But at least he is making money from it.
I'm not hungry for anything, and I find your attitude quite insulting, aggressive, and disrespectful, telling me I should be ashamed and I don't appreciate it at all. I've never disrespected any of your beliefs or opinions on anything so harshly, nor would I because it's against the rules.
I do not think the government is evil for your information, but I think we are on a very slippery slope where power can and is being abused. I think a lot of people are just seeing what the main stream media tells them which is not always the truth. I'm just encouraging people to look at things from a different perspective, to research things themselves instead of taking the "official" word on everything, so of course my opinion is unilateral it gets people wondering and looking for their own answers.
I also DID address Don's quote through other people, hell it was me who provided the less biased source article he pulled it from. My posts hopefully do not convert anyone to my "evil" way of thinking. I just want to peak interest to where people research stuff more to find what THEIR opinion is on the situation rather than take anything at face value.
You should be ashamed because on top of being the moderation manager, you are one of the oldest members on this site. Thus you are a respected figure and people will inevitably be more gullible to your biased perspective (unfortunately).
You realize if people were so keen to do their own research, Fox 'News' wouldn't exist and certainly not the show of that clown of Alex Jones?
So all your fancy talk about how people will research the matter and make up their opinion is meaningless.
The persisting theme to all your conspiracy threads is that the current government is constantly scheming and abusing their power to make your lives worse.
If you had bothered to aptly consider this particular matter in a rational way, you will see your conclusions are unfounded, totally misguided and downright deceptive.
This anniversary is not a college party. More politicians will attend this time since it is the 10th one, therefore more security.
More security, space remains the same. Do the maths Sherlock.
What is so wrong with priority given to family victims on this occasion?
If the politicians had not been there, I would bet anything that you and Alex Jones would have been screaming on how they've shown lack of respect by not showing up and what kind of shabby people they must be not to be at this important place at this important time- that they do not care about the people who lost their lives there.
So it's always a winning situation in the conspiracy theorist's eyes. Politicians show up, they are bad. They don't show up, they are also bad.
And I know you did address Don's point. That's why I wrote 'almost'. And the fact that the quote he removed was from the link you provided, goes to show you are way too biased. You conveniently ignored it when getting to your tragic conclusion on how sick the politicians were and added a completely unrelated issue to the matter- running them through a terrorist data base. Typical recipe for fear mongering and deceiving people. Anybody attentive enough will realize they are different issues but it will slip by many people and can become a dangerously ingrained idea.
I suggest you stop with that kind of disgusting tactic.
Lastly my attitude is just me being honest. I admit I could have sugar-coated everything but you are misinforming people and on a regular basis too. And I think it should stop.
Well I'm just going to stop you right there and say, yes I'm an old member and a moderation manager but I have a personal life as well. Along with opinions and beliefs and you can't decide for me if I voice those or not.
I'm not even going to justify responding to the rest because it's spiraling down into another petty situation in which my beliefs are being attacked. I have not attacked anyone else beliefs, in fact no one here has except for you. This seems to be a persistent problem and I'll likely just ignore your posts regarding this sort of thing from now on to avoid further conflict.
I deleted the last few comments. Lets keep this civil folks.
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I don't believe that 9/11 was a fake or anything like that. As soon as he starts claiming it was a fake, I sort of dis-credited the rest. But IF this story is true,( story about the banning these people from coming back).... Just....What? Really? I'm confused as to why they would not be allowed. Did they mention a reason or anything? Hopefully this is just a mistake or something, and not real....
First Off; Unrelated from the towers themselves, well the first one, explain that??
Along with the vaporizing titanium engines lol...if ONE thing is fake, it is only logical that ALL of it is fake...... https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=2332636716003
My god, calling use nut jobs for taking the time to be educated?
You already have a predetermined state of mind towards anything AJ says, or anything we say.
Baring you from expanding your knowledge and find other factual and respectable sources.
We aren't retarded, we're open minded people who know things are how they seem.
9/11 was an inside job, if you live in NYC go down on 9/11 you'll see how many people are "nuts"....
Do you not understand physics? how the 3rd tower fell, lets not even go on, its blatant enough...
Our government is killing us, controlling medicine, you think there hasn't been cures for cancers?
Theres MANY cures that are old drugs but who's gonna pay 100 million to get a drug through FDA if they can't patent it?
You think they put fluoride in your water for your TEETH?
You think they don't want us dead or dumbed down or labeled as nuts for no reason?
You think think Alex Jones twists things? Sometimes...but no one is perfect.
He is a leader, its hard not to jump on things when your life is based around the new world order.
It's hard not to take everything and over analysis it, but he's become a lot better because of trolls like you.
He decerns things much better, and focuses on facts now rather then speculation.
If it wasn't for him millions of people wouldn't be educated about the NWO, about the entire corrupt system.
And you're trying to discredit and make fun of this man? Screw YOU.
If you even make an impact on ANYONE, you're the nut job supporting tyranny in a indirect manner.
Regardless if he lies or spins things, not saying he does anymore, or barely ever did...
He's injecting truth and real facts about our corrupt tyrannical government to the world.
My last words will be, VOTE RON PAUL, the only man who can save us before we have to resort to Civil War.
Which IMO wouldn't be that bad, it would end in a week, our military will not turn on us.
Thats why Ron Paul revived more military donations then even Obama after all his bullshit pledges and lies, and more then all the rest combined.
TL;DR
Open your mind. Research things people call "conspiratorial" and find facts YOURSELF.
DO NOT let other people do the thinking for you, you'll find out the TRUTH this way.
Vote Ron Paul - Restore America Now.
pps. I shouldn't of wasted my time on someone who's clearly made up his own mind to be simple.
But I despise people like you very much, so I do you a favor and try to persuade you.
pppps 9/11:
IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB.
If you disagree it's SIMPLE, you have not taken the time, you have not taken the interest.
You have not looked for the facts, you have no looked at the truth and the blatant lie and back downs.
You have no looked at the inconsistencies and physics and scientific research 100%, again, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT fact, that were was MOLTEN METAL, nothing related to Gas or Fuel can do that, and that there was traces of Nano-thermite found in the rubble. ITS CONCLUSIVE. You just again let other retards do the thinking for you, or quit looking after you read one artical. You people are sad and shouldn't type or even speak on such a subject you are truthfully an absolute disgrace to ever person that died in 9/11. Again you probably won't see it on the news, but take a stroll on 9.11 in nyc if you live there, you'll see with your eyes how many people are intelligent.
First Off; Unrelated from the towers themselves, well the first one, explain that??
Along with the vaporizing titanium engines lol...if ONE thing is fake, it is only logical that ALL of it is fake...... https://www.facebook...v=2332636716003
My god, calling use nut jobs for taking the time to be educated?
You already have a predetermined state of mind towards anything AJ says, or anything we say.
Baring you from expanding your knowledge and find other factual and respectable sources.
We aren't retarded, we're open minded people who know things are how they seem.
9/11 was an inside job, if you live in NYC go down on 9/11 you'll see how many people are "nuts"....
Do you not understand physics? how the 3rd tower fell, lets not even go on, its blatant enough...
Our government is killing us, controlling medicine, you think there hasn't been cures for cancers?
Theres MANY cures that are old drugs but who's gonna pay 100 million to get a drug through FDA if they can't patent it?
You think they put fluoride in your water for your TEETH?
You think they don't want us dead or dumbed down or labeled as nuts for no reason?
You think think Alex Jones twists things? Sometimes...but no one is perfect.
He is a leader, its hard not to jump on things when your life is based around the new world order.
It's hard not to take everything and over analysis it, but he's become a lot better because of trolls like you.
He decerns things much better, and focuses on facts now rather then speculation.
If it wasn't for him millions of people wouldn't be educated about the NWO, about the entire corrupt system.
And you're trying to discredit and make fun of this man? Screw YOU.
If you even make an impact on ANYONE, you're the nut job supporting tyranny in a indirect manner.
Regardless if he lies or spins things, not saying he does anymore, or barely ever did...
He's injecting truth and real facts about our corrupt tyrannical government to the world.
My last words will be, VOTE RON PAUL, the only man who can save us before we have to resort to Civil War.
Which IMO wouldn't be that bad, it would end in a week, our military will not turn on us.
Thats why Ron Paul revived more military donations then even Obama after all his bullshit pledges and lies, and more then all the rest combined.
TL;DR
Open your mind. Research things people call "conspiratorial" and find facts YOURSELF.
DO NOT let other people do the thinking for you, you'll find out the TRUTH this way.
Vote Ron Paul - Restore America Now.
pps. I shouldn't of wasted my time on someone who's clearly made up his own mind to be simple.
But I despise people like you very much, so I do you a favor and try to persuade you.
pppps 9/11:
IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB.
If you disagree it's SIMPLE, you have not taken the time, you have not taken the interest.
You have not looked for the facts, you have no looked at the truth and the blatant lie and back downs.
You have no looked at the inconsistencies and physics and scientific research 100%, again, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT fact, that were was MOLTEN METAL, nothing related to Gas or Fuel can do that, and that there was traces of Nano-thermite found in the rubble. ITS CONCLUSIVE. You just again let other retards do the thinking for you, or quit looking after you read one artical. You people are sad and shouldn't type or even speak on such a subject you are truthfully an absolute disgrace to ever person that died in 9/11. Again you probably won't see it on the news, but take a stroll on 9.11 in nyc if you live there, you'll see with your eyes how many people are intelligent.
My god, calling use nut jobs for taking the time to be educated?
You just again let other retards do the thinking for you, or quit looking after you read one artical. You people are sad and shouldn't type or even speak on such a subject you are truthfully an absolute disgrace to ever person that died in 9/11.
They can't call 9/11 conspiracy theorists nutjobs, but you can call people that believe it was an attack retards? Right....
After the sicknesses these people got from being in that dust, and the other various health problems they aren't allowed to even attend the 10 year memorial. What kind of sick politicians would disallow the people who were saving the lives of everyone around, at risk to their own health, the privilege to attend this? Not only that, they now also have to be ran through a terrorist database every time they receive healthcare.
Liberal/socialist influence. That's who/what. The media which are trying to make the states villains and heroes the devils.
As for Ron Paul I've watched him over the years and the man seems to have a good approach to economics but is fairly weak when it comes to national defense.
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Because litigation-happy lawyers don't like to diffirentiate between the harmful types of asbestos and the non-harmful types that were developed more recently. Lawsuits + Ignorance = Current situation.
AFAIK industry studies showed the safter asbestos was not a significant risk factor. Of course, from what we now know about cancer, there's a good case to be made for a great many things being dangerous. I had fellow professors (in geology, civil engineering, and related fields) assure me that modern asbestos compounds were safe and they were the same crowd who had shouted for the replacement of the dangerous asbestos compounds in the past.
@KingCobb
+1.
Great to see sensible people around.
You have nothing really to contribute other than your hate for Alex Jones? I don't share all of his views, but I thought he summed up a lot of what was going on in this situation pretty well. Okay Alex Jones aside what do you think of the situation?
And what could be better than serving up smiles?
I hate Alex Jones? From where do you get this?
You seem to be so desperate to find conspiracies, you are ready to consider any source. Don posted another quote which you almost completely disregarded. You know- priority given to family of victims. Now you are finding this an excuse? Like for real? Are these heros permanently banned from ground zero?
You are just hungry for reinforcers to your own ideas that the government is evil. In all of your conspiracy threads, there's always this very unilateral and one-sided approach to these issues.
Good thing Don and others are around.
You keep spreading a very fallacious and biased take on these events. I would be ashamed in your place. Seriously.
I posted in this thread to support KingCobb's post mainly, just like some guys posted in this thread to say you are right.
This quote further discredits anything you or Alex Jones say on the matter. But at least he is making money from it.
I do not think the government is evil for your information, but I think we are on a very slippery slope where power can and is being abused. I think a lot of people are just seeing what the main stream media tells them which is not always the truth. I'm just encouraging people to look at things from a different perspective, to research things themselves instead of taking the "official" word on everything, so of course my opinion is unilateral it gets people wondering and looking for their own answers.
I also DID address Don's quote through other people, hell it was me who provided the less biased source article he pulled it from. My posts hopefully do not convert anyone to my "evil" way of thinking. I just want to peak interest to where people research stuff more to find what THEIR opinion is on the situation rather than take anything at face value.
You should be ashamed because on top of being the moderation manager, you are one of the oldest members on this site. Thus you are a respected figure and people will inevitably be more gullible to your biased perspective (unfortunately).
You realize if people were so keen to do their own research, Fox 'News' wouldn't exist and certainly not the show of that clown of Alex Jones?
So all your fancy talk about how people will research the matter and make up their opinion is meaningless.
The persisting theme to all your conspiracy threads is that the current government is constantly scheming and abusing their power to make your lives worse.
If you had bothered to aptly consider this particular matter in a rational way, you will see your conclusions are unfounded, totally misguided and downright deceptive.
This anniversary is not a college party. More politicians will attend this time since it is the 10th one, therefore more security.
More security, space remains the same. Do the maths Sherlock.
What is so wrong with priority given to family victims on this occasion?
If the politicians had not been there, I would bet anything that you and Alex Jones would have been screaming on how they've shown lack of respect by not showing up and what kind of shabby people they must be not to be at this important place at this important time- that they do not care about the people who lost their lives there.
So it's always a winning situation in the conspiracy theorist's eyes. Politicians show up, they are bad. They don't show up, they are also bad.
And I know you did address Don's point. That's why I wrote 'almost'. And the fact that the quote he removed was from the link you provided, goes to show you are way too biased. You conveniently ignored it when getting to your tragic conclusion on how sick the politicians were and added a completely unrelated issue to the matter- running them through a terrorist data base. Typical recipe for fear mongering and deceiving people. Anybody attentive enough will realize they are different issues but it will slip by many people and can become a dangerously ingrained idea.
I suggest you stop with that kind of disgusting tactic.
Lastly my attitude is just me being honest. I admit I could have sugar-coated everything but you are misinforming people and on a regular basis too. And I think it should stop.
I'm not even going to justify responding to the rest because it's spiraling down into another petty situation in which my beliefs are being attacked. I have not attacked anyone else beliefs, in fact no one here has except for you. This seems to be a persistent problem and I'll likely just ignore your posts regarding this sort of thing from now on to avoid further conflict.
No hard feelings.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Along with the vaporizing titanium engines lol...if ONE thing is fake, it is only logical that ALL of it is fake......
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=2332636716003
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=2329661601627&set=vb.1252329220&type=1&theater
My god, calling use nut jobs for taking the time to be educated?
You already have a predetermined state of mind towards anything AJ says, or anything we say.
Baring you from expanding your knowledge and find other factual and respectable sources.
We aren't retarded, we're open minded people who know things are how they seem.
9/11 was an inside job, if you live in NYC go down on 9/11 you'll see how many people are "nuts"....
Do you not understand physics? how the 3rd tower fell, lets not even go on, its blatant enough...
Our government is killing us, controlling medicine, you think there hasn't been cures for cancers?
Theres MANY cures that are old drugs but who's gonna pay 100 million to get a drug through FDA if they can't patent it?
You think they put fluoride in your water for your TEETH?
You think they don't want us dead or dumbed down or labeled as nuts for no reason?
You think think Alex Jones twists things? Sometimes...but no one is perfect.
He is a leader, its hard not to jump on things when your life is based around the new world order.
It's hard not to take everything and over analysis it, but he's become a lot better because of trolls like you.
He decerns things much better, and focuses on facts now rather then speculation.
If it wasn't for him millions of people wouldn't be educated about the NWO, about the entire corrupt system.
And you're trying to discredit and make fun of this man? Screw YOU.
If you even make an impact on ANYONE, you're the nut job supporting tyranny in a indirect manner.
Regardless if he lies or spins things, not saying he does anymore, or barely ever did...
He's injecting truth and real facts about our corrupt tyrannical government to the world.
My last words will be, VOTE RON PAUL, the only man who can save us before we have to resort to Civil War.
Which IMO wouldn't be that bad, it would end in a week, our military will not turn on us.
Thats why Ron Paul revived more military donations then even Obama after all his bullshit pledges and lies, and more then all the rest combined.
TL;DR
Open your mind. Research things people call "conspiratorial" and find facts YOURSELF.
DO NOT let other people do the thinking for you, you'll find out the TRUTH this way.
Vote Ron Paul - Restore America Now.
pps. I shouldn't of wasted my time on someone who's clearly made up his own mind to be simple.
But I despise people like you very much, so I do you a favor and try to persuade you.
pppps 9/11:
IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB.
If you disagree it's SIMPLE, you have not taken the time, you have not taken the interest.
You have not looked for the facts, you have no looked at the truth and the blatant lie and back downs.
You have no looked at the inconsistencies and physics and scientific research 100%, again, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT fact, that were was MOLTEN METAL, nothing related to Gas or Fuel can do that, and that there was traces of Nano-thermite found in the rubble. ITS CONCLUSIVE. You just again let other retards do the thinking for you, or quit looking after you read one artical. You people are sad and shouldn't type or even speak on such a subject you are truthfully an absolute disgrace to ever person that died in 9/11. Again you probably won't see it on the news, but take a stroll on 9.11 in nyc if you live there, you'll see with your eyes how many people are intelligent.
Nice post count....
I had to do it...
They can't call 9/11 conspiracy theorists nutjobs, but you can call people that believe it was an attack retards? Right....
You need some to learn forum etiquette =/
Three words for every war.
Liberal/socialist influence. That's who/what. The media which are trying to make the states villains and heroes the devils.
As for Ron Paul I've watched him over the years and the man seems to have a good approach to economics but is fairly weak when it comes to national defense.