There is two ways to get godly high-end gear in this game.
You swipe your credit card for thousands of dollars and buy the best gear at face value
or
You play the AH and learn to flip by understanding what the true value of items are worth and what the price currently people are willing to pay.
Because of the latter is why dupes show up and get noticed, dupers are selling items for $250 that are worth billions, and people are buying to flip for a quick 300-500m profit on GAH.
Someone explain to me how the rollback works. You load your char up with nice items, sell them, give them to friends, call blizzard and say you were hacked and they give you your items back from lets say yesterday?
I understand blizzard doesnt care for things that go through the RMAH since they profit from it... but all this sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
Here's one description of the rollback-dupe process, no idea if this really works or not:
aye....I'm not sure linking exploits is the best idea either.
aye....I'm not sure linking exploits is the best idea either.
True, thought about that for a second. But still, anyone can just google it up if they want so it's not like it's very secret anyway and the method described in the link takes a lot of effort so I don't think many random players will even think about attempting to use it.
I'm just concerned about the integrity of this site. Not exactly the hallmark of the Curse Network to be known for purveying exploit content.
I would also caution others about the practice of blindly googling exploit practices as that can send you to some quite nefarious websites that may compromise your security.
aye....I'm not sure linking exploits is the best idea either.
True, thought about that for a second. But still, anyone can just google it up if they want so it's not like it's very secret anyway and the method described in the link takes a lot of effort so I don't think many random players will even think about attempting to use it.
I'm just concerned about the integrity of this site. Not exactly the hallmark of the Curse Network to be known for purveying exploit content.
I would also caution others about the practice of blindly googling exploit practices as that can send you to some quite nefarious websites that may compromise your security.
I guarantee you guys this is not how they are duping multiple times the same items, so don't bother trying to find how to "rollback dupe", you are wasting your time and you'll likely just end up losing all your items and time.
Like I said previously, Blizzard will rarely give rollbacks even if you claim you were hacked and show evidence. They are very strict about rollbacks now, maybe they weren't before.
If don't see an problem with 15 of the same item, when Blizzard stated it was virtually impossible for more than 1 of the exact same item to show up, then I don't know what to say other than wow...
2 maaaaaaybe 3 can be explained with roll backs and double drops.
I find it interesting when people jump to defend scammers or in this case dupers... It's almost as if they have something to keep hidden. Brushing these things under the rug as if they don't exist leads to them becoming more wide spread.
All I can say to maybe add to this is that with ease of farming on a mass scale, it is only a matter of time, Not if, Not maybe, Not "Oh, no sir your wrong" when we start to see this happen. The AH is not so much the issue but only illuminates this.
With people farming more, wanting to sell every set piece, decent weapon, and the hardcore people by now have their top end piece or getting rid of there "Characters" for a different class...it was bound to happen.
Can dismiss and say its all 110% duping, which Blizz and others here have said happens, but also, the longer the game goes on the higher chance at see exact rolled items on AH...besides as most agree on..items should be getting cheaper too.....by a lot....
I find it interesting when people jump to defend scammers or in this case dupers... It's almost as if they have something to keep hidden. Brushing these things under the rug as if they don't exist leads to them becoming more wide spread.
lol....nobody is defending the practice. People (me) are just asking for some calm here in the face of ZERO evidence that in-game duping is being practiced.
Just like sightings of UFO's in the night sky, if there are reasonable explanations for this, then that is what people should lean toward.
2 maaaaaaybe 3 can be explained with roll backs and double drops.
If 2 or 3 can, why couldn't 15 or 20? You see where I'm going with this, right?
If don't see an problem with 15 of the same item, when Blizzard stated it was virtually impossible for more than 1 of the exact same item to show up, then I don't know what to say other than wow...
Blizzard never made that statement, not in regard to bugs or roll-back scams. So again, you're really clawing toward what you seem to want to believe and doing so without being reasonable.
I really wish these alarmists would bring more evidence to the table before crying wolf.
Really? What about gem prices few weeks ago?
Still....no evidence. Perhaps several people took a page from the Asian exploit cookbook and bought/rolled mass amounts of Radiants only to roll them back to create more. With gems you could accomplish this much more easily, as you could legitimately amass great amounts and only roll-back once or twice to create well over a hundred.
I'm just guessing. Perhaps someone figured out how to 'trick' the jeweler into duplicating. It wouldn't be unprecedented.
I used the Radiants as an example earlier to show why it's best that Blizz keep quiet while rectifying a sensitive situation such as this.
They never directly addressed it. It went away almost overnight. A wave of bans ensued, though the indication was that it was for 3rd party software, perhaps unrelated.
Point being, it is best for them to keep quiet while remedying something so potentially damaging to the integrity of the game.
Why would Blizzard stop something that's earning them a pretty substantial profit? They do nothing about the small dupes (15 people of the millions playing) and continue to rake in money as that item continues to change hands in the RMAH->GAH flip, and then again when the Gold is sold on the RMAH.
If it were truly rampant, they'd do something. They have much better tracking technology, and if they felt it were worth their time something would be done.
Why would Blizzard stop something that's earning them a pretty substantial profit? They do nothing about the small dupes (15 people of the millions playing) and continue to rake in money as that item continues to change hands in the RMAH->GAH flip, and then again when the Gold is sold on the RMAH.
There are several issues with this conspiracy theory.
1) Were it to get out (and these things always do; either by employee leak/hack/investigation etc) then Blizzard, a company already making shit-loads of scratch, would lose much of their customer base, as well as be subject to prosecution via electronic fraud laws.
2) They have a $250 limit on RMAH transactions. Were they truly trying to bilk it's customers, does it not make sense that they would raise this amount to say, $500, or more?
3) The RMAH business model is meant to provide long term coverage of this game, going well into the future. The 15% cut is not 100% profit. There are many hidden costs to them providing this service.
To assert that they either turn a blind eye to this practice, or, to assert that they perhaps quietly encourage it through inaction is akin to a criminal choosing to rob an ice cream shop instead of a bank.
Summary; There is no long term gain in them (Blizz) facilitating dubious sales of duped virtual items. To do so not only attacks the integrity of their system, but would stand to bring a quick end to their RMAH endeavors. They make enough money off of this long-term, sustainable income for a free-to-play game as it is. They need not play dirty pool to see a successful execution of the RMAH system.
duping isn't really that hard to do. it is all about being able to tell when a save has occurred (usually able to force one by logging off). then having a way to crash the servers. With all the bug fixes directed at patching game crashing bugs, I can see how duping is getting out of control. Once you have a way to crash the servers, you have a way to force the game to "not save". then you can do whatever you want including giving away your gear to someone else. letting them log and save their character and then you crash the server and force your character to not be saved. Then you log in and all your stuff is there because it didn't save the fact you transferred all your items. However, you friend has all the items too because they logged off and saved their character.
same principle would apply to the action house. If you could figure out a way to create an auction, and get the auction saved so it is active, then figure out a way to crash the client/auction house server (without saving your character so that it reloads your inventory when you re-sign in., then you could probably dupe in that method also. I've seen lots and lots of auction house only maitenance over the life of D3.
duping isn't really that hard to do. it is all about being able to tell when a save has occurred (usually able to force one by logging off). then having a way to crash the servers...
Gee, sounds so simple... Makes me wonder why duping is not any more "rampant" than it already is!
duping isn't really that hard to do. it is all about being able to tell when a save has occurred (usually able to force one by logging off). then having a way to crash the servers...
Gee, sounds so simple... Makes me wonder why duping is not any more "rampant" than it already is!
After reading Demonstain's post, I've been duping all afternoon.
I'm rich as shit now. Just bought a 70ft yacht. Currently sailing off to Jamaica. See you suckers on the other side. Peace.
duping isn't really that hard to do. it is all about being able to tell when a save has occurred (usually able to force one by logging off). then having a way to crash the servers. With all the bug fixes directed at patching game crashing bugs, I can see how duping is getting out of control. Once you have a way to crash the servers, you have a way to force the game to "not save". then you can do whatever you want including giving away your gear to someone else. letting them log and save their character and then you crash the server and force your character to not be saved. Then you log in and all your stuff is there because it didn't save the fact you transferred all your items. However, you friend has all the items too because they logged off and saved their character.
I don't know where you're going with this.... Diablo (and others games) use "continuous saving" meaning that save occurs as soon as you change something on your char and especially if you trade or drop something on the ground... So, altought your theory is plausible, it doesn't apply in this case.
In my opinion, I much more believe in "packets alterations" sent to diablo servers in order to bring them in a unstable state. From there, validations and security features might not trigger properly. This is when the "Hackers" would send "false actions" to provoke a dupe items. There's so many situations this could be done. Someone, somewhere found one. Just like I respect a prisoneer that managed to espace prison, I have respect for those hacker guys... I don't appreciate it, I just respect them!
You swipe your credit card for thousands of dollars and buy the best gear at face value
or
You play the AH and learn to flip by understanding what the true value of items are worth and what the price currently people are willing to pay.
Because of the latter is why dupes show up and get noticed, dupers are selling items for $250 that are worth billions, and people are buying to flip for a quick 300-500m profit on GAH.
http://www.youtube.com/mannercookie
http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie
That is a frightening prospect.
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aye....I'm not sure linking exploits is the best idea either.
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I'm just concerned about the integrity of this site. Not exactly the hallmark of the Curse Network to be known for purveying exploit content.
I would also caution others about the practice of blindly googling exploit practices as that can send you to some quite nefarious websites that may compromise your security.
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I guarantee you guys this is not how they are duping multiple times the same items, so don't bother trying to find how to "rollback dupe", you are wasting your time and you'll likely just end up losing all your items and time.
Like I said previously, Blizzard will rarely give rollbacks even if you claim you were hacked and show evidence. They are very strict about rollbacks now, maybe they weren't before.
http://www.youtube.com/mannercookie
http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie
2 maaaaaaybe 3 can be explained with roll backs and double drops.
I find it interesting when people jump to defend scammers or in this case dupers... It's almost as if they have something to keep hidden. Brushing these things under the rug as if they don't exist leads to them becoming more wide spread.
With people farming more, wanting to sell every set piece, decent weapon, and the hardcore people by now have their top end piece or getting rid of there "Characters" for a different class...it was bound to happen.
Can dismiss and say its all 110% duping, which Blizz and others here have said happens, but also, the longer the game goes on the higher chance at see exact rolled items on AH...besides as most agree on..items should be getting cheaper too.....by a lot....
lol....nobody is defending the practice. People (me) are just asking for some calm here in the face of ZERO evidence that in-game duping is being practiced.
Just like sightings of UFO's in the night sky, if there are reasonable explanations for this, then that is what people should lean toward.
If 2 or 3 can, why couldn't 15 or 20? You see where I'm going with this, right?
Blizzard never made that statement, not in regard to bugs or roll-back scams. So again, you're really clawing toward what you seem to want to believe and doing so without being reasonable.
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Still....no evidence. Perhaps several people took a page from the Asian exploit cookbook and bought/rolled mass amounts of Radiants only to roll them back to create more. With gems you could accomplish this much more easily, as you could legitimately amass great amounts and only roll-back once or twice to create well over a hundred.
I'm just guessing. Perhaps someone figured out how to 'trick' the jeweler into duplicating. It wouldn't be unprecedented.
I used the Radiants as an example earlier to show why it's best that Blizz keep quiet while rectifying a sensitive situation such as this.
They never directly addressed it. It went away almost overnight. A wave of bans ensued, though the indication was that it was for 3rd party software, perhaps unrelated.
Point being, it is best for them to keep quiet while remedying something so potentially damaging to the integrity of the game.
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And by that statement it is safe to say that duping is by no means rampant anywhere in D3 (yet).
If it were truly rampant, they'd do something. They have much better tracking technology, and if they felt it were worth their time something would be done.
There are several issues with this conspiracy theory.
1) Were it to get out (and these things always do; either by employee leak/hack/investigation etc) then Blizzard, a company already making shit-loads of scratch, would lose much of their customer base, as well as be subject to prosecution via electronic fraud laws.
2) They have a $250 limit on RMAH transactions. Were they truly trying to bilk it's customers, does it not make sense that they would raise this amount to say, $500, or more?
3) The RMAH business model is meant to provide long term coverage of this game, going well into the future. The 15% cut is not 100% profit. There are many hidden costs to them providing this service.
To assert that they either turn a blind eye to this practice, or, to assert that they perhaps quietly encourage it through inaction is akin to a criminal choosing to rob an ice cream shop instead of a bank.
Summary; There is no long term gain in them (Blizz) facilitating dubious sales of duped virtual items. To do so not only attacks the integrity of their system, but would stand to bring a quick end to their RMAH endeavors. They make enough money off of this long-term, sustainable income for a free-to-play game as it is. They need not play dirty pool to see a successful execution of the RMAH system.
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Meh, nothing a tin foil hat won't take care of.
Gee, sounds so simple... Makes me wonder why duping is not any more "rampant" than it already is!
After reading Demonstain's post, I've been duping all afternoon.
I'm rich as shit now. Just bought a 70ft yacht. Currently sailing off to Jamaica. See you suckers on the other side. Peace.
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I don't know where you're going with this.... Diablo (and others games) use "continuous saving" meaning that save occurs as soon as you change something on your char and especially if you trade or drop something on the ground... So, altought your theory is plausible, it doesn't apply in this case.
In my opinion, I much more believe in "packets alterations" sent to diablo servers in order to bring them in a unstable state. From there, validations and security features might not trigger properly. This is when the "Hackers" would send "false actions" to provoke a dupe items. There's so many situations this could be done. Someone, somewhere found one. Just like I respect a prisoneer that managed to espace prison, I have respect for those hacker guys... I don't appreciate it, I just respect them!