If you knew how to read, you'd see that 44% said No, and the rest is Yes and Hit/Miss. You are the still the minority, on a website that hosts a minority of fans. GD I'm sick of this kid still having posting rights with the trolling day in, day out.
This community has, at best, 10K active users. 44% are on the fence or dislike the patch. Making it 4.4k people complaining. (I know the community itself is larger, only shooting for members who *own* the game - if someone has more valid numbers, let me know).
Even if you extrapolate that there are at least 10 fansites with 10k active posters, and Battle.net with 50k (being way generous), and extending that by accepting those users mentioned actually *own* Diablo 3 (since any other comments are opinions are worthless), you come up with 69K users complaining.
Again 7MIL+ purchases. At least that many, since we haven't had any news of additional sales since 1 week in. But again, being generous, as smaller total sales inflates the percentage.
Making it .0098% of active users vocally throwing a fit. Otherwise - a vocal minority.
Being fair, .0098% will translate into some larger % of the userbase being happy, that's how surveying a valid sample size works. Be very clear, however - the number of people playing the game is *far* larger than the number of people trolling these forums running on about how terrible the game is. Far to many entitled crybabies who, instead of accepting that not every game satisfies every need and moving on, think that they have to get back at Blizzard, and drive as many people as possible from the game.
It makes me sad that this is the state of gaming. Used to be, we looked at the box and if the features sounded like they would be fun we would try it. If it sucked, we tried again. If it was broke we returned it.
Now, thanks to mindless repetition of game series like CoD and Halo and MWx, people are so used to always getting exactly what they expect (because the games never truly change) that anytime a game comes out they don't like, they go running off raging. EA made it that much worse when they caved regarding the end of ME3. Players didn't make they game, they play it. EA screwed developers by setting the precedent that developers are just slaves to players now, and meant only to generate profit. And thanks to them and players like the ones that overpopulate these forums, you can expect the quality and uniqueness of games to deteriorate going forward. Because only the independently wealthy studios will continue to be able to make games as they want. The rest will be relegated to spamming out clones for the mindless drones this new generation of gamers has become.
For every person who does this - I hope life takes something away from you unfairly, to teach you some perspective. And maybe make you mature a bit.
This community has, at best, 10K active users. 44% are on the fence or dislike the patch. Making it 4.4k people complaining. (I know the community itself is larger, only shooting for members who *own* the game - if someone has more valid numbers, let me know).
Even if you extrapolate that there are at least 10 fansites with 10k active posters, and Battle.net with 50k (being way generous), and extending that by accepting those users mentioned actually *own* Diablo 3 (since any other comments are opinions are worthless), you come up with 69K users complaining.
Again 7MIL+ purchases. At least that many, since we haven't had any news of additional sales since 1 week in. But again, being generous, as smaller total sales inflates the percentage.
Making it .0098% of active users vocally throwing a fit. Otherwise - a vocal minority.
Being fair, .0098% will translate into some larger % of the userbase being happy, that's how surveying a valid sample size works. Be very clear, however - the number of people playing the game is *far* larger than the number of people trolling these forums running on about how terrible the game is. Far to many entitled crybabies who, instead of accepting that not every game satisfies every need and moving on, think that they have to get back at Blizzard, and drive as many people as possible from the game.
It makes me sad that this is the state of gaming. Used to be, we looked at the box and if the features sounded like they would be fun we would try it. If it sucked, we tried again. If it was broke we returned it.
Now, thanks to mindless repetition of game series like CoD and Halo and MWx, people are so used to always getting exactly what they expect (because the games never truly change) that anytime a game comes out they don't like, they go running off raging. EA made it that much worse when they caved regarding the end of ME3. Players didn't make they game, they play it. EA screwed developers by setting the precedent that developers are just slaves to players now, and meant only to generate profit. And thanks to them and players like the ones that overpopulate these forums, you can expect the quality and uniqueness of games to deteriorate going forward. Because only the independently wealthy studios will continue to be able to make games as they want. The rest will be relegated to spamming out clones for the mindless drones this new generation of gamers has become.
For every person who does this - I hope life takes something away from you unfairly, to teach you some perspective. And maybe make you mature a bit.
EDIT: clarity, maths
Your post pretty much sums up what I have been thinking for a few months, so thumbs up!
It amazes me that people think a survey on a diablofans website wouldn't be biased. This is no complaint but when you want to create an un-biased survey about Macaroni and Cheese you don't go to a Ciliacs convention. Same thing here. You'd have to send out survey's to 1000+ absolutely random players of the game. Taking them from a gaming website where the "hardcore awesome D2 carry over" folks are is just kind of silly.
That being said I'm actually surprised the results weren't more towards the no side. Realistically its still fairly even when you remove the cope out answer of "Hit or miss". This site has been intolerably negative on the game without having much reason to be of late. Ah well!
Not taking sides here but out of the 7m copies sold, how many do you think reaches inferno and continues progression?
does that matter? i've been in inferno for a while now i still enjoy this game... my brother on the other hand is still in act 2 normal. he still enjoys the game.
To throw it out there, all you people who disagree with this statement keep saying "7mill+ and only 50k are here" yada yada yada.
What is to say that this SAMPLE isn't indicative of the population as a whole. Isn't that why they do polls?
Polls and surveys naturally have smaller pools. Understanding the size of the pool and the bias helps to determine the legitimacy or potential legitimacy of the poll/survey.
Sure, is it likely that 24% of ALL users who own the game would vote to like 1.03? Probably not.
BUT, are an equal number of users as far into the game as the majority of posters on Diablofans? Again, probably not.
Take it for what it's worth, and that should be that "one poll shows that a number of active users do not like what patch 1.03 did".
The only problem with skewness of this survey is whether people who are complaining about 1.0.3 are more or less likely to vote in such survey (my bet, they are more likely just to voice their opinion).
+ the fact that one could vote as many times as you would have liked. No log-in required at all.
Well, even if you grow the numbers by a power of ten across the board, it only grows to be .098% - still a minority.
As for players playing past Inferno - it is a non-issue. People who don't play past Inferno will be, for the most part, people who don't like the genre, or people who loved D2, but hate D3 because it has a challenge. The game has as much content as D2 at launch, and just as many issues, I feel.
But that isn't the issue. The issue is the *TINY* group of people here who think that spamming the forums with their hate and complaints makes them some sort of force to be reckoned with. That, due to the volume of whining, makes them think they are larger than they are.
The poll I would like to see, is one having people choose -
If you dislike the game or have posted negatively in response to the game, please choose one of the following -
(1) Never Owned the game, posting because someone else says it is worse than D2.
(2) Will not play again/got refund, just posting negatively anyways.
(3) Still playing a bit everyday.
(4) Still playing tons everyday.
(5) I post constructive criticism regardless.
In the above, only option (5) actually has an validity. (1) has absolutely no room for an opinion, including corner cases like "I played my friends" - if you played his, you no doubt walked away with his opinion as well. Based on the quality of commentary, none of the trolls have the fortitude to have an opinion separate from the other lemmings they hang with. (2) At these folks have a reason for an opinion, but if you stopped playing/got a refund, you server no purpose of than sowing negativity. (3) and (4) are close to the same - hypocrites. (3) isn't as bad, at least this one is sorta hanging on hoping it improves. (4) are just plain hypocrites, constantly complaining about something while continuing to do it. (5) While the most positive of the bunch, is also the least likely. For every 1 constructive post, there are 10-15 negative ones in a thread (by peasofme alone, not including other trolls).
The funny thing is, many of them would lie, because many of them don't know the difference between what they do here, and what "constructive" is.
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In regards to the validity of the poll - the sample size has to be a random sampling of players from the community at large. Not from a small fansite compiled mostly of old D2 fans with a pre-built bias toward D3. I agree, the numbers do indicate some number of dissatisfied players - just as much as a D3-friendly site, would indicate the opposite.
In other words - poll on a negative site = negative bias *locally*, but not indicative of a trend as a whole.
Why does the results of a survey matter what YOU, as an individual, do or do not enjoy?
Better question: Are you having fun?
If answer is "Yes": Keep playing and have fun.
If answer is "No": Uninstall game, find new game to play. Do not goto forums to constantly complain and whine that it isn't some messiah of a game that was supposed to end the drought of terrible games (in your eyes), and solve global issues like world hunger.
If answer is "Yes, but...": Provide constructive criticism and feedback to developer (they WANT it!). Constructive means not swearing, blaming, threatening, etc. Constructive means to be specific about what is good/bad.
Not taking sides here but out of the 7m copies sold, how many do you think reaches inferno and continues progression?
does that matter? i've been in inferno for a while now i still enjoy this game... my brother on the other hand is still in act 2 normal. he still enjoys the game.
It matters to some extent. If 90% or some other arbitrary number of players don't progress through inferno, then they wont really have an opinion about 1.0.3 and this in turn, makes the argument "the 7m people" somewhat of a moot point.
I agree, in regards to the poll itself, you are right - as it was balance for Inferno, many have no valid opinion. It swings both ways though - how many no votes were because the patch didn't apply at all? Does that mean we can only take 10% of the votes as valid?
Since you can't enforce the selection of valid voters (Inferno players), you have to take all the votes, or none. And since you cannot determine if any of the voters even *OWN* the game, let alone play it at Inferno difficulty, you have to take the entire known userbase as valid as well. Or acknowledge the entire poll is invalid.
Now, thanks to mindless repetition of game series like CoD and Halo and MWx, people are so used to always getting exactly what they expect (because the games never truly change) that anytime a game comes out they don't like, they go running off raging. EA made it that much worse when they caved regarding the end of ME3. Players didn't make they game, they play it. EA screwed developers by setting the precedent that developers are just slaves to players now, and meant only to generate profit. And thanks to them and players like the ones that overpopulate these forums, you can expect the quality and uniqueness of games to deteriorate going forward. Because only the independently wealthy studios will continue to be able to make games as they want. The rest will be relegated to spamming out clones for the mindless drones this new generation of gamers has become.
For every person who does this - I hope life takes something away from you unfairly, to teach you some perspective. And maybe make you mature a bit.
EDIT: clarity, maths
Did you play ME3? You spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours making choices, reveling in the beautiful universe they created? Were there nights you went to sleep wondering if you made the right call on something? Did you take a ride on the emotional rollercoaster that this masterpiece of a trilogy was? Did you laugh and cry within moments of each other? Seethe? Did you scream and plead at the monitor as cutscenes played before you? ME1, ME2 and ME3 are the three best games I've ever played, and the ME3 ending is the worst ending in a game I've ever experienced (I never played Katana).
In a trilogy made for making choices, where all colorblind players are handed the exact same ending regardless of life-and-death choices made the past four hundred hours /played in the previous games, is ill-thought through. And if you've actually experienced the ME3 ending first hand, you know it suffers from incredibly bad writing. Incredibly. Bad. Bang head against desk bad. I shiver at the thought it made its way into an AAA game. Truly. I wrote a book when I was 12. Halfway through the first page your eyes begin to bleed. That book was on par with the writing of the ME3 ending, and I'm not saying that to make a point. It's actually that bad.
But even if you're of a different opinion, that gives you no right to type that ending of the post that I bolded. Ten years ago, thanks to an accident, the sport I loved the most (I even played in the national team) was taken away from me. The notion of putting my sport on the shelf was much worse than the pain of the actual accident (you really don't want to know). I've had relationships ending bad (at gunpoint, you just don't mess with some fathers), and I've had to suffer through three motorized vehicle thefts. I've had burglars break in and mess the place up. They were even in my own bed, the place I should feel safe in at night. I've had police breaking the law and trash the entire apartment looking for a sub-machine gun (I was 13 at the time, and I was an obvious mama's boy; I had done nothing wrong, let alone illegal), all based on a hunch. The list goes on (frankly, it does). What has all of this taught me? To just let go, and move on. That's the adult thing to do. On that I agree with you, you don't stay and bitch and moan about something if you want to be taken seriously.
But the ME3 ending was bad. It was extremely bad. Making the calm, rational, and intelligent decision of instant-uninstalling-type-of-bad. When they announced that they wanted to remake the ending (as I understood it, they'd basically "word it differently") I was okay with that, since the presentation sucked majorly. But the damage was done. Bioware was put off my instant-buy list. Yes, just like that. And no, not just like that. Confused? In order to understand, you need to be able to view things from more than just one perspective. Putting Bioware off my instan-buy list made me sad. Very sad. I've enjoyed Bioware games since Baldur's Gate (and btw, DA2 ending wasn't bad, regardless of what the whiners say).
I could make a flash animation (I've never even done one!) with a unicorn, a rainbow, Spock and Spiderman where they beam up on the moon through a bicycle, tie them to the ME universe somehow, and that would make more sense than the ME3 ending. I didn't partake in the flame fest that raged through the internet after ME3 was released, but I agreed with (close to) everything that was said. Asdfmovie5 by TomSka makes more sense than the ME3 ending.
And since I don't want an entire post to be completely off topic, this patch didn't make me stop playing. I quit before it. D3 made me take Blizzard off my instant-buy list. Yes, just like that. And no, not just like that.
I still have it installed though. I'm forever the optimist.
Bolded, underlined the part where you make his point with the last line. You matured from those events. Does that mean you have to agree with his point? No, but the point appears at least a little valid.
The newest generation of gamers ('90s kids and up) are generally spoiled and entitled. Sure, there are exceptions, and there are plenty of those type in the older generation, too (along with some who just can't adapt at all, and hate everything new). Those people can use some maturity, which most often comes from life events that put things into perspective. They teach you to let go, to not sweat the small stuff, to have a little patience and see the forest through the trees. That was the point, as harsh as it came off.
Played ME3, thought the ending didn't feel like the rest of the series, but (1) took it to mean that in the end, some things are destined, and that the concept of choice is an illusion, and (2) acknowledged that bad or not, it wasn't my place to question their artistic integrity - merely to choose if i liked it or not.
And ya, you can take my comment is though it was meant to be hurtful or hateful - but way to many posters here have never created anything or had to earn something. That is what entitlement creates - a lack of appreciation for hard work, especially that of others. And my comment was merely this - these people need to have some events occur to teach them about something in life more than "I expect anything I want to be handed to me". I'm not concerned how you take it - only for the lesson it clearly says some people need to be taught.
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People don't learn lessons that change how they behave or interact with life and/or people unless they are hard lessons. There are many things in life that suck that I wouldn't wish on others, but just as many that made me re-evaluate and change my life for the better.
EXAMPLE: I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone. However, I wouldn't be hurt wishing for any number of posters to become game developers and have the product of their effort and time be ridiculed or discarded.
You can go on all you want about how you would never do that to someone - maybe you wouldn't - but the related issue is that you also have no care in them ever growing or becoming a better person, contributing more significantly/constructively in places like this, or becoming someone better able to appreciate the importance of someone else's hard work, instead of sitting around thinking everything is free, and there for the asking (demanding), and that other people exist only to provided for their every need.
Battle.net Profile / Diablo Progress Profile
Even if you extrapolate that there are at least 10 fansites with 10k active posters, and Battle.net with 50k (being way generous), and extending that by accepting those users mentioned actually *own* Diablo 3 (since any other comments are opinions are worthless), you come up with 69K users complaining.
Again 7MIL+ purchases. At least that many, since we haven't had any news of additional sales since 1 week in. But again, being generous, as smaller total sales inflates the percentage.
Making it .0098% of active users vocally throwing a fit. Otherwise - a vocal minority.
Being fair, .0098% will translate into some larger % of the userbase being happy, that's how surveying a valid sample size works. Be very clear, however - the number of people playing the game is *far* larger than the number of people trolling these forums running on about how terrible the game is. Far to many entitled crybabies who, instead of accepting that not every game satisfies every need and moving on, think that they have to get back at Blizzard, and drive as many people as possible from the game.
It makes me sad that this is the state of gaming. Used to be, we looked at the box and if the features sounded like they would be fun we would try it. If it sucked, we tried again. If it was broke we returned it.
Now, thanks to mindless repetition of game series like CoD and Halo and MWx, people are so used to always getting exactly what they expect (because the games never truly change) that anytime a game comes out they don't like, they go running off raging. EA made it that much worse when they caved regarding the end of ME3. Players didn't make they game, they play it. EA screwed developers by setting the precedent that developers are just slaves to players now, and meant only to generate profit. And thanks to them and players like the ones that overpopulate these forums, you can expect the quality and uniqueness of games to deteriorate going forward. Because only the independently wealthy studios will continue to be able to make games as they want. The rest will be relegated to spamming out clones for the mindless drones this new generation of gamers has become.
For every person who does this - I hope life takes something away from you unfairly, to teach you some perspective. And maybe make you mature a bit.
EDIT: clarity, maths
Your post pretty much sums up what I have been thinking for a few months, so thumbs up!
That being said I'm actually surprised the results weren't more towards the no side. Realistically its still fairly even when you remove the cope out answer of "Hit or miss". This site has been intolerably negative on the game without having much reason to be of late. Ah well!
does that matter? i've been in inferno for a while now i still enjoy this game... my brother on the other hand is still in act 2 normal. he still enjoys the game.
What is to say that this SAMPLE isn't indicative of the population as a whole. Isn't that why they do polls?
Polls and surveys naturally have smaller pools. Understanding the size of the pool and the bias helps to determine the legitimacy or potential legitimacy of the poll/survey.
Sure, is it likely that 24% of ALL users who own the game would vote to like 1.03? Probably not.
BUT, are an equal number of users as far into the game as the majority of posters on Diablofans? Again, probably not.
Take it for what it's worth, and that should be that "one poll shows that a number of active users do not like what patch 1.03 did".
Good grief.
+ the fact that one could vote as many times as you would have liked. No log-in required at all.
guess that means he's gonna be president
As for players playing past Inferno - it is a non-issue. People who don't play past Inferno will be, for the most part, people who don't like the genre, or people who loved D2, but hate D3 because it has a challenge. The game has as much content as D2 at launch, and just as many issues, I feel.
But that isn't the issue. The issue is the *TINY* group of people here who think that spamming the forums with their hate and complaints makes them some sort of force to be reckoned with. That, due to the volume of whining, makes them think they are larger than they are.
The poll I would like to see, is one having people choose -
If you dislike the game or have posted negatively in response to the game, please choose one of the following -
(1) Never Owned the game, posting because someone else says it is worse than D2.
(2) Will not play again/got refund, just posting negatively anyways.
(3) Still playing a bit everyday.
(4) Still playing tons everyday.
(5) I post constructive criticism regardless.
In the above, only option (5) actually has an validity. (1) has absolutely no room for an opinion, including corner cases like "I played my friends" - if you played his, you no doubt walked away with his opinion as well. Based on the quality of commentary, none of the trolls have the fortitude to have an opinion separate from the other lemmings they hang with. (2) At these folks have a reason for an opinion, but if you stopped playing/got a refund, you server no purpose of than sowing negativity. (3) and (4) are close to the same - hypocrites. (3) isn't as bad, at least this one is sorta hanging on hoping it improves. (4) are just plain hypocrites, constantly complaining about something while continuing to do it. (5) While the most positive of the bunch, is also the least likely. For every 1 constructive post, there are 10-15 negative ones in a thread (by peasofme alone, not including other trolls).
The funny thing is, many of them would lie, because many of them don't know the difference between what they do here, and what "constructive" is.
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In regards to the validity of the poll - the sample size has to be a random sampling of players from the community at large. Not from a small fansite compiled mostly of old D2 fans with a pre-built bias toward D3. I agree, the numbers do indicate some number of dissatisfied players - just as much as a D3-friendly site, would indicate the opposite.
In other words - poll on a negative site = negative bias *locally*, but not indicative of a trend as a whole.
Better question: Are you having fun?
If answer is "Yes": Keep playing and have fun.
If answer is "No": Uninstall game, find new game to play. Do not goto forums to constantly complain and whine that it isn't some messiah of a game that was supposed to end the drought of terrible games (in your eyes), and solve global issues like world hunger.
If answer is "Yes, but...": Provide constructive criticism and feedback to developer (they WANT it!). Constructive means not swearing, blaming, threatening, etc. Constructive means to be specific about what is good/bad.
I agree, in regards to the poll itself, you are right - as it was balance for Inferno, many have no valid opinion. It swings both ways though - how many no votes were because the patch didn't apply at all? Does that mean we can only take 10% of the votes as valid?
Since you can't enforce the selection of valid voters (Inferno players), you have to take all the votes, or none. And since you cannot determine if any of the voters even *OWN* the game, let alone play it at Inferno difficulty, you have to take the entire known userbase as valid as well. Or acknowledge the entire poll is invalid.
Bolded, underlined the part where you make his point with the last line. You matured from those events. Does that mean you have to agree with his point? No, but the point appears at least a little valid.
The newest generation of gamers ('90s kids and up) are generally spoiled and entitled. Sure, there are exceptions, and there are plenty of those type in the older generation, too (along with some who just can't adapt at all, and hate everything new). Those people can use some maturity, which most often comes from life events that put things into perspective. They teach you to let go, to not sweat the small stuff, to have a little patience and see the forest through the trees. That was the point, as harsh as it came off.
And ya, you can take my comment is though it was meant to be hurtful or hateful - but way to many posters here have never created anything or had to earn something. That is what entitlement creates - a lack of appreciation for hard work, especially that of others. And my comment was merely this - these people need to have some events occur to teach them about something in life more than "I expect anything I want to be handed to me". I'm not concerned how you take it - only for the lesson it clearly says some people need to be taught.
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People don't learn lessons that change how they behave or interact with life and/or people unless they are hard lessons. There are many things in life that suck that I wouldn't wish on others, but just as many that made me re-evaluate and change my life for the better.
EXAMPLE: I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone. However, I wouldn't be hurt wishing for any number of posters to become game developers and have the product of their effort and time be ridiculed or discarded.
You can go on all you want about how you would never do that to someone - maybe you wouldn't - but the related issue is that you also have no care in them ever growing or becoming a better person, contributing more significantly/constructively in places like this, or becoming someone better able to appreciate the importance of someone else's hard work, instead of sitting around thinking everything is free, and there for the asking (demanding), and that other people exist only to provided for their every need.
Cheers,
Edit: And yeah, I made an account to say that.
Edited again for name spelling '-.-
They're about an meaningful as GameSpot top 10 lists.