Also, please tell me the best 6 affixes for one item. If Magic find isn't one of them then I guess this isn't an item finding game and it isn't a game to get the highest damage/survivability cause you won't find them without MF.
Also, please tell me the best 6 affixes for one item. If Magic find isn't one of them then I guess this isn't an item finding game and it isn't a game to get the highest damage/survivability cause you won't find them without MF.
Also saying you will outgear everyone is the same incompetent dribble as saying you will outskill everyone.
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Lol skill doesn't matter. Thats evidence enough that you never played D2 cause their were so many leechers in there. Also I was in the top 100 for this ladder untill I stopped playing at lvl 89.
It doesnt matter too much in a hack and slash. What do you do differently? Move somewhere else? Climbing a ladder = time invested, not skill invested. I was first HC Witch on the last ladder of PoE. Was I more skilled then others? Maybe in not being stupid, but that skill curve/ceiling was about 1 inch high, I simply had a whole weekend to grind it out.
D2 is one of the lowest skill games you could even play. You hack n slash with mouse 1 and mouse 2 and move around. It would take more dexterity to play Pac Man, Pong, Asteriods, you name it. When people start talking skill and ability, I tell them to go play a game that actually requires that aka RTS and FPS. Not hack n slash co op magic find.
I hate you.
I hope they revert this at least a little bit with PvP.
It will never require as much skills as a solid RTS / FPS but I'd love it to end up competitive at higher levels like other multiplayer games in the genre.
It doesnt matter too much in a hack and slash. What do you do differently? Move somewhere else? Climbing a ladder = time invested, not skill invested. I was first HC Witch on the last ladder of PoE. Was I more skilled then others? Maybe in not being stupid, but that skill curve/ceiling was about 1 inch high, I simply had a whole weekend to grind it out.
D2 is one of the lowest skill games you could even play. You hack n slash with mouse 1 and mouse 2 and move around. It would take more dexterity to play Pac Man, Pong, Asteriods, you name it. When people start talking skill and ability, I tell them to go play a game that actually requires that aka RTS and FPS. Not hack n slash co op magic find.
I hate you.
I hope they revert this at least a little bit with PvP.
It will never require as much skills as a solid RTS / FPS but I'd love it to end up competitive at higher levels like other multiplayer games in the genre.
It doesnt matter too much in a hack and slash. What do you do differently? Move somewhere else? Climbing a ladder = time invested, not skill invested. I was first HC Witch on the last ladder of PoE. Was I more skilled then others? Maybe in not being stupid, but that skill curve/ceiling was about 1 inch high, I simply had a whole weekend to grind it out.
D2 is one of the lowest skill games you could even play. You hack n slash with mouse 1 and mouse 2 and move around. It would take more dexterity to play Pac Man, Pong, Asteriods, you name it. When people start talking skill and ability, I tell them to go play a game that actually requires that aka RTS and FPS. Not hack n slash co op magic find.
You can hate me all you want, doesnt stop the fact that diablo pvp ranks lower then WoW and LoL skill wise, which rank even lower then RTS and FPS.
I'm gonna have fun in pvp too, its all i want to do besides sell stuff. But Dont be delusional.
I hate you.
I hope they revert this at least a little bit with PvP.
It will never require as much skills as a solid RTS / FPS but I'd love it to end up competitive at higher levels like other multiplayer games in the genre.
It doesnt matter too much in a hack and slash. What do you do differently? Move somewhere else? Climbing a ladder = time invested, not skill invested. I was first HC Witch on the last ladder of PoE. Was I more skilled then others? Maybe in not being stupid, but that skill curve/ceiling was about 1 inch high, I simply had a whole weekend to grind it out.
D2 is one of the lowest skill games you could even play. You hack n slash with mouse 1 and mouse 2 and move around. It would take more dexterity to play Pac Man, Pong, Asteriods, you name it. When people start talking skill and ability, I tell them to go play a game that actually requires that aka RTS and FPS. Not hack n slash co op magic find.
You can hate me all you want, doesnt stop the fact that diablo pvp ranks lower then WoW and LoL skill wise, which rank even lower then RTS and FPS.
I'm gonna have fun in pvp too, its all i want to do besides sell stuff. But Dont be delusional.
I hate you.
I hope they revert this at least a little bit with PvP.
It will never require as much skills as a solid RTS / FPS but I'd love it to end up competitive at higher levels like other multiplayer games in the genre.
It doesnt matter too much in a hack and slash. What do you do differently? Move somewhere else? Climbing a ladder = time invested, not skill invested. I was first HC Witch on the last ladder of PoE. Was I more skilled then others? Maybe in not being stupid, but that skill curve/ceiling was about 1 inch high, I simply had a whole weekend to grind it out.
D2 is one of the lowest skill games you could even play. You hack n slash with mouse 1 and mouse 2 and move around. It would take more dexterity to play Pac Man, Pong, Asteriods, you name it. When people start talking skill and ability, I tell them to go play a game that actually requires that aka RTS and FPS. Not hack n slash co op magic find.
You can hate me all you want, doesnt stop the fact that diablo pvp ranks lower then WoW and LoL skill wise, which rank even lower then RTS and FPS.
I'm gonna have fun in pvp too, its all i want to do besides sell stuff. But Dont be delusional.
I love pvp too. I hate magic finding. Only thing I did in d2 was hardcore or pvp. Just stating when people start talking about skill and stuff it just makes me rofl in real life because they actually believe d2 took skill.
I never played D2 seriously but I do play a lot of sc and I don't think D3 will ever be able to require as much skill as a complex RTS.
I don't talk about D3 as eSport, don't know don't care, but I think *coughhopecough* that if not in its first versions of PvP, it eventually will have a competitive gameplay.
I'd love to have a competitive PvP so much that I would even accept to have specific rules to it (like restricting allowed items or change the strength of some spells).
I will accept the game that the design evolution gives me though, it will be a kickass game no matter what.
I love pvp too. I hate magic finding. Only thing I did in d2 was hardcore or pvp. Just stating when people start talking about skill and stuff it just makes me rofl in real life because they actually believe d2 took skill.
First of all, i think that everyone that deams other people "Dumb" or anything else that is negativ because of their oppinion of a computer game (no matter how cult it is) aren't worth anyones intrest.
But ill just say - no one is wrong, its a matter of preference.
Actually one way is wrong....and Blizzard realized it and fixed it. Having 1 guy stand around with all MF on and recieving all the benefits while the others recieved nothing in return is a horrible practice. While dividing your hard earned mf gear seems the wrong way, why should the guy with all the hard earned dps gear have to do all the work for you? Its a double sided sword, and your gear isnt magically on a higher scale simply becuase it has a stat you personally prefer.
Having one person benefit from magic find and 3 others suffer is a horrible design system for a co-op game, especially with real money involved. What would stop me from just standing around doing nothing and making free money/items while I studied and watched youtube? nothing. I would get all the benefits and suffer none of the consequences.
While it may not be the most super perfect Walgreen's commercial way of doing it(Ie averaging the magic find), it is the most fair and logical answer to a game that is meant to be played with other people. Now, youre subpar dps is offset by giving the people with good dps a bit of magic find. There subpar magic find is now offset by the fact they have dps to bring to the table.
It is the most fair system, and obviously Blizzard realized this and changed it.
You cant have your cake and eat it too.
First of all let me say, i still stand by what i said. there is no wrong or right, any other game company could have decided diferently, its a matter of preference and the way you look at and present the situtaion (kinda like rainbows in diablo is "Lame and it should be dark" for 1 person and "is for you to be able to feel the destruction happens as acts progress" for another.
and now let me say that after reading your post i agree with you, and i think this might be better - that way everyone has to work hard and put in the same effort and no one slacks.
Of course there is a right and wrong, a dumb and a smart.
Facts exist. The people who have these are right.
Some people are ignorant of those facts. These people are dumb, or ignorant.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Yes. But you kill stuff faster / find champs for the end-game buff faster if you spread out a bit / etc. so in the end assuming others in your group are contributing at least modestly to MF% you're better off grouping.
First of all, i think that everyone that deams other people "Dumb" or anything else that is negativ because of their oppinion of a computer game (no matter how cult it is) aren't worth anyones intrest.
But ill just say - no one is wrong, its a matter of preference.
Actually one way is wrong....and Blizzard realized it and fixed it. Having 1 guy stand around with all MF on and recieving all the benefits while the others recieved nothing in return is a horrible practice. While dividing your hard earned mf gear seems the wrong way, why should the guy with all the hard earned dps gear have to do all the work for you? Its a double sided sword, and your gear isnt magically on a higher scale simply becuase it has a stat you personally prefer.
Having one person benefit from magic find and 3 others suffer is a horrible design system for a co-op game, especially with real money involved. What would stop me from just standing around doing nothing and making free money/items while I studied and watched youtube? nothing. I would get all the benefits and suffer none of the consequences.
While it may not be the most super perfect Walgreen's commercial way of doing it(Ie averaging the magic find), it is the most fair and logical answer to a game that is meant to be played with other people. Now, youre subpar dps is offset by giving the people with good dps a bit of magic find. There subpar magic find is now offset by the fact they have dps to bring to the table.
It is the most fair system, and obviously Blizzard realized this and changed it.
You cant have your cake and eat it too.
First of all let me say, i still stand by what i said. there is no wrong or right, any other game company could have decided diferently, its a matter of preference and the way you look at and present the situtaion (kinda like rainbows in diablo is "Lame and it should be dark" for 1 person and "is for you to be able to feel the destruction happens as acts progress" for another.
and now let me say that after reading your post i agree with you, and i think this might be better - that way everyone has to work hard and put in the same effort and no one slacks.
Well, the key thing is even if they slack, it isnt a complete burden or unfairness on your team. Because lets face it, with the way the system is, either way there was gonna be some leeches that show up to your game and do nothing but collect free loot.
Only difference was before they were nothing but a burden. Now at least they contribute to giving you a bit better items, because most leeches outside of noobs will have magic find on. If I decided to leech, whether it was split or not I'd wear all the magic find I could find, so this way does at least take some of the sting out of the various farmers/bot/leechers that are goin to come into your game and stand around and collect loot.
Most people outside of complete noobs that want to leech will just stack MF and leech off your kills. Now, you leech off their magic find.
And like another poster said, the majority of players will probably have a little bit of magic find here or there, so once you take into account the kill speed a group gives you, it's probably not hurting you at all, and is probably even better then what you could do solo with stacked MF.
Lol skill doesn't matter. Thats evidence enough that you never played D2 cause their were so many leechers in there. Also I was in the top 100 for this ladder untill I stopped playing at lvl 89.
It doesnt matter too much in a hack and slash. What do you do differently? Move somewhere else? Climbing a ladder = time invested, not skill invested. I was first HC Witch on the last ladder of PoE. Was I more skilled then others? Maybe in not being stupid, but that skill curve/ceiling was about 1 inch high, I simply had a whole weekend to grind it out.
D2 is one of the lowest skill games you could even play. You hack n slash with mouse 1 and mouse 2 and move around. It would take more dexterity to play Pac Man, Pong, Asteriods, you name it. When people start talking skill and ability, I tell them to go play a game that actually requires that aka RTS and FPS. Not hack n slash co op magic find.
Lol skill doesn't matter. Thats evidence enough that you never played D2 cause their were so many leechers in there. Also I was in the top 100 for this ladder untill I stopped playing at lvl 89.
It doesnt matter too much in a hack and slash. What do you do differently? Move somewhere else? Climbing a ladder = time invested, not skill invested. I was first HC Witch on the last ladder of PoE. Was I more skilled then others? Maybe in not being stupid, but that skill curve/ceiling was about 1 inch high, I simply had a whole weekend to grind it out.
D2 is one of the lowest skill games you could even play. You hack n slash with mouse 1 and mouse 2 and move around. It would take more dexterity to play Pac Man, Pong, Asteriods, you name it. When people start talking skill and ability, I tell them to go play a game that actually requires that aka RTS and FPS. Not hack n slash co op magic find.
This isn't D2 bro.
Still doesnt take as much effort as WoW or LoL, which still rank below RTS and FPS. Keep dreaming if you think d3 pvp is going to require any modicum of real gaming ability. Thats like comparing Tom Brady to a world champion cup stacker.
Still doesnt take as much effort as WoW or LoL, which still rank below RTS and FPS. Keep dreaming if you think d3 pvp is going to require any modicum of real gaming ability. Thats like comparing Tom Brady to a world champion cup stacker. Especially Ladder climbing, that ranks below any game out there. That is simple time invested to the freakin max of skill. Bragging about climbing a ladder is like me bragging I dug 80k out on my Minecraft server. No. SKILL
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Pick any 6 other than gold find.
http://d3inferno.com/affixes/ItemAffixes.html
Also saying you will outgear everyone is the same incompetent dribble as saying you will outskill everyone.
Epicurus
It doesnt matter too much in a hack and slash. What do you do differently? Move somewhere else? Climbing a ladder = time invested, not skill invested. I was first HC Witch on the last ladder of PoE. Was I more skilled then others? Maybe in not being stupid, but that skill curve/ceiling was about 1 inch high, I simply had a whole weekend to grind it out.
D2 is one of the lowest skill games you could even play. You hack n slash with mouse 1 and mouse 2 and move around. It would take more dexterity to play Pac Man, Pong, Asteriods, you name it. When people start talking skill and ability, I tell them to go play a game that actually requires that aka RTS and FPS. Not hack n slash co op magic find.
I hope they revert this at least a little bit with PvP.
It will never require as much skills as a solid RTS / FPS but I'd love it to end up competitive at higher levels like other multiplayer games in the genre.
You can hate me all you want, doesnt stop the fact that diablo pvp ranks lower then WoW and LoL skill wise, which rank even lower then RTS and FPS.
I'm gonna have fun in pvp too, its all i want to do besides sell stuff. But Dont be delusional.
A LOT of ppl love PvP.
I love pvp too. I hate magic finding. Only thing I did in d2 was hardcore or pvp. Just stating when people start talking about skill and stuff it just makes me rofl in real life because they actually believe d2 took skill.
I don't talk about D3 as eSport, don't know don't care, but I think *coughhopecough* that if not in its first versions of PvP, it eventually will have a competitive gameplay.
I'd love to have a competitive PvP so much that I would even accept to have specific rules to it (like restricting allowed items or change the strength of some spells).
I will accept the game that the design evolution gives me though, it will be a kickass game no matter what.
First of all let me say, i still stand by what i said. there is no wrong or right, any other game company could have decided diferently, its a matter of preference and the way you look at and present the situtaion (kinda like rainbows in diablo is "Lame and it should be dark" for 1 person and "is for you to be able to feel the destruction happens as acts progress" for another.
and now let me say that after reading your post i agree with you, and i think this might be better - that way everyone has to work hard and put in the same effort and no one slacks.
Facts exist. The people who have these are right.
Some people are ignorant of those facts. These people are dumb, or ignorant.
Who are we trying to kid here?
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Epicurus
Well, the key thing is even if they slack, it isnt a complete burden or unfairness on your team. Because lets face it, with the way the system is, either way there was gonna be some leeches that show up to your game and do nothing but collect free loot.
Only difference was before they were nothing but a burden. Now at least they contribute to giving you a bit better items, because most leeches outside of noobs will have magic find on. If I decided to leech, whether it was split or not I'd wear all the magic find I could find, so this way does at least take some of the sting out of the various farmers/bot/leechers that are goin to come into your game and stand around and collect loot.
Most people outside of complete noobs that want to leech will just stack MF and leech off your kills. Now, you leech off their magic find.
And like another poster said, the majority of players will probably have a little bit of magic find here or there, so once you take into account the kill speed a group gives you, it's probably not hurting you at all, and is probably even better then what you could do solo with stacked MF.
Still doesnt take as much effort as WoW or LoL, which still rank below RTS and FPS. Keep dreaming if you think d3 pvp is going to require any modicum of real gaming ability. Thats like comparing Tom Brady to a world champion cup stacker.
Still doesnt take as much effort as WoW or LoL, which still rank below RTS and FPS. Keep dreaming if you think d3 pvp is going to require any modicum of real gaming ability. Thats like comparing Tom Brady to a world champion cup stacker. Especially Ladder climbing, that ranks below any game out there. That is simple time invested to the freakin max of skill. Bragging about climbing a ladder is like me bragging I dug 80k out on my Minecraft server. No. SKILL